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fredrika - 2009-09-09 20:25:00

well, i doubt it i cant say much, try and get quantities of numbers of stamps sold over last 20 years or so. laurie franks book provided nos. sold up to 70s. because after this, vast amounts unsold went to dealers overseas at a fraction of face. nz post wont supply this information. cant supply my source but i am right.

william1091 - 2009-09-09 21:46:00

ref1603. well, i doubt it William you are talking thru a hole in your head without engaging your brain. I helped with the research for the Laurie Franks book and I've been involved in the stamp trade ever since and i can assure everybody that what you say is utterly rubbish. The only time NZ Post landed mint NZ stamps on the overseas market was when they did a joint issue with another country and they swapped quantities of stamps with these countries and some of them (The overseas Post offices) sold the NZ stamps at less than face rather than market them as agreed.

kiwisteven - 2009-09-10 00:03:00

Silver foiled stamps stamp dealers were supplied with the these stamps on the basis of an allocation based on their purchases from NZ post over the past year. Dealers also had to buy blind by committing to purchase them without even knowing what it was they were getting.
Every NZ Post standing order customer had an allocation from a minimum of one sheet(and booklet) for small customers to more for people who had larger standing orders with NZ Post.
As it happened the silver foil stamps should be popular with the FDC's of the silver foiled stamps very scarce.

kiwisteven - 2009-09-10 00:17:00

kiwiseven? 7 ??? sorry thats all your intellegent quotient is worth.
you will wish you never posted that about me. i know more than you about the topic. even tho you think you think you are perfect. smarmy pr---.
i have facts and you have bollocks.
my friend high up in nz post for years gave me first hand, and i have loads of info. i must admit kiwi seven, love to see six as have no time for seven

william1091 - 2009-09-10 03:34:00

good grief kiwi seven i said that laurie franks book told of numbers of stamps sold per stamp up to 1970s. and then i said nz post wont give numbers of stamps per stamp, sold after 80s.

people read! his dispute to my claims. he says i have a hole in my head, yet does not discuss any of my opinions, ok worked with mr franks,? my argument is get detailed quantities of every stamp sold for last 20 years as which were supplied to mr franks up to middle 70s. you are a fool if you believe that nz post did not hock off large quantities of stamps (do you want some)

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fredrika - 2009-09-10 07:43:00

Sorry Fredrika, my emotions got the better of me. i should be taking it out on nz post. but i do not like to be verbally abused on things i know . discussed amicably-yes by all means.
its an attitude from some which has been going on forever.
back 15 years odd ago i took family youngters to a stamp fair, they were full of glee with $20 each wrapped hotly in their little hands, waiting to get there. once there they pushed aside, told that adults were more important. lots of tears followed and they have never had any interest since. after that i was so disgusted, i have never been to one again either.

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donaldo - 2009-09-10 09:59:00

i totally agree why are these special issues not spread out to individual post shops? why can some buy quantities and then sell them at double just days after issue? i am fast losing interest. this is a case of insider trading and if it was in the share market would be a criminal offence. i might get hold of Paul Henry to do a "close up" its not right!

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fredrika - 2009-09-10 10:14:00

Fredrika well said, i am glad i am not the only one to have been in the same situation. if you look after young ones (and us elders) and make it a rewarding experience, many will go on to be collectors of the future. thank goodness for trademe. where people can choose.

william1091 - 2009-09-10 10:57:00

Stamp Fairs Must be a North Island problem. The Stamp Fair run by Dealer Gary Tavendale in Christchurch is very Professional and friendly ,tables are available to anyone (collectors and Dealers) for $15.00.No fights,young Philatelists thou few and far between are encouraged and well taken care of.As for Dealers we are very lucky the above mentioned and Paul Wales and Steven McLaughlin are all very helpfull and Professional in encouraging and developing Stamp Collecting.

rebel58 - 2009-09-10 16:55:00

Stamp Fairs post 2 This is stated on a personal level as I have had multiple dealings with all of them and cant see that rubbishing all dealers because of a bad experience in the past can do Stamp Collecting any good.Dealers are a wealth of Knowledge and are a dying breed,we should be encouraging not rubbishing them as they we could loose this valuable knowledge base.
Regards Paul.

rebel58 - 2009-09-10 17:03:00

Dealers And don't forget that because of this vast and combined knowledge base they regulate and legitimize the hobby and quite rightly so in my opinion .Just look in the Trademe listings for some of the far fetched descriptions and prices a lot of collectors and opportunists are listing.

rebel58 - 2009-09-10 17:29:00

I recently went to the stamp fair in Ellerslie as I live very close. I am new to this hobby and not young but everyone was incredibly helpful and put up with my numerous questions. I came away a lot more enlightened and with sources of further help. My experience buying stamps on TM has been really great except for some traders' definitions of 'a few duplicates'!!!MMMM I don't think 40 of the same stamp in a bunch of 300 is quite fair...still,we have an old bach that needs wallpapering.

grongy - 2009-09-10 20:28:00

If you ended up with 40 of the same stamp in a bunch of 300, then you got ripped, I would consider that 5% would be the limit when it comes to describing duplcates. I would return them.

harrihorse - 2009-09-11 05:48:00

Description Yes it's always a good idea to talk to the seller if you think that an item is not as described. Often it won't be intentional and I have found that people are very approachable in these matters.

stak - 2009-09-11 14:18:00

1614 Whilst i have not been to any CHCH stamp fairs I can state that the 3 mentioned dealers would be among the most obliging and helpful that I have met. Always willing to share knowledge and support the collector [all ages]. An all round thank you to them and the others that I regularly deal with.

warm3 - 2009-09-11 16:06:00

1619 I had actually asked before bidding if there were many duplicates and was assured that 'only a few'. The only consolation was that the good stamps in the 300, which I wanted, were worth considerably more than I paid. I just won't trade with them again as there are plenty of other excellent people out there who have been so helpful. It is good to have a guideline on what to expect.

grongy - 2009-09-11 18:00:00

1616 you are right when you say it may be a north island problem, i have great respect for south island dealers.(as for most north island dealers.) their integrety is second to none. and a big plus to Don White in Dunedin whom wrote back to me with a nice detailed letter with a query on a certain item i had quite a while back!
and to Donaldo with a wealth of information at his disposal. the problem is my formative years of collecting were marred by 2 main dealers in auckland in which their arrogance has no end. one has changed hands, so wont go there. the other i never trade with.
well thats my qudos and spats for the night. best regards all, brett

william1091 - 2009-09-11 22:47:00

Ref 1606 Hi Brett. My handle is Kiwisteven and not Kiwiseven.
What I disputed was your assertion that NZ post had dumped a lot of NZ stamps on the overseas market at well under face value. This hasn't happened and your criticism of NZ Post for doing something they havn't is unfair especially when you don't want to back up your claims. I know NZ Post does a lot of silly things at times (who doesn't?) but giving away hoards of free stamps isn't one of them.
Regards and thanks to those who came to my defense.
I am Steven McLachlan of Shades Stamp Shop in Christchurch.

kiwisteven - 2009-09-12 23:12:00

Ref 1610 interesting points Regarding Silver foiled stamps. All the people who pre-booked them through Real Aotearoa in Christchurch seem to have been supplied. As far as I know all people who pre-booked through the Philatelic Bureau in Wanganui also were supplied. I only got my usual quantity of stamps from Wanganui philatelic bureau and no extras at all and I didn't try double-duipping by ordering extra thru Real Aoteraroa in Christchurch. Don might claim that it all depends on who you know or if you are a member of the NZSDA but this isn't correct. it does matter however if you have a standiong order and if you keep up to date with information such as watching the NZ Post Bureau website. our local stamp club also trys to alert members of what might be happening.

kiwisteven - 2009-09-12 23:24:00

Re Silver-foiled non-denominated stamp issue Going back thru messages on this message board I find that Fredrika alerted us all to this issue back on 15 August (posting no 1550) when she asked Donaldo if he thought it would be worth buying. I notice she never got an answer but at least it alerted us all that a limited issue unusual item was about to be issued on 7 September and that orders had to be made to make sure you didn't miss out. thanks Fredrika for sharing the info with us! and good luck to them who took up the issue. It was sold at face value and all are basic letter rate stamps. How could one possibly miss out by taking up the offer?

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donaldo - 2009-09-13 12:40:00

coping extremely well thank you.

burlio - 2009-09-13 14:16:00

Weekend mail dispatch I can still send out mail on Saturday or Sunday if i want to if I deliver to the post office myself or in my case walk it around to the Real Aotearoa outlet. however I do know that it doesn't go any further until Monday but at least I know it is off my hands and secure. I presume that anybody can post mail over the counter at any open Post shop on Saturdays or Sundays

kiwisteven - 2009-09-13 20:30:00

Weekend mail dispatch I find it takes longer for people to get their mail. I sometimes get post from England quicker than from some North Island places. Our local mail box is usually packed full by the end of Monday. Sometimes you could even pull out the mail at the top so i have to go to another box. I guess it's good for the posties not to have to deliver on Saturdays.

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donaldo - 2009-09-14 14:37:00

1630 Don. We are already in the new century and we have no Post Offices on Sat/Sun [only a few agencies on Sat morning] and naturally no mail deliveries on the weekend. Only 1 delivery a day in the suburbs during the week. We are very progressive in Australia. You will soon catch up with us.

warm3 - 2009-09-14 17:24:00

1623 Hi Steven, my diplomacy was greatly lacking. however i did back up my knowledge of the subject by asking anyone to provide sales information of decimal stamps sold from nz post. which i have tried to get from them for the last 10 years. it wont happen. there is only one reason for them not giving this information.
we will just have to have different views and i look forward to more positive aspects of this great hobby. brett

william1091 - 2009-09-14 23:13:00

ref 1623 Brett, New Zealand post won't release quantities of stamps sold because they now have competition in the market place from NZ mail and other postal operators. The only recent figures they have released are those for health stamp sales and this is because they have to account for the health surcharge to the health camp people, and the stamp sheets they have done with a surcharge going to the Philatelic Federation.

Brett I try hard to encourage an informed hobby and I guess I get a bit "titchy" when I see miss-information being offered as fact when I know so many people take anything they see on internet as gospel.

kiwisteven - 2009-09-15 00:17:00

how about this for a find! Had a chap in my shop today who found a 1996 Teddy bear Miniature sheet on FDC (not postmarked) which was inside a plastic bag taped to the underside of a wooden drawer in some furniture his son had purchased a few years ago. He had no idea of its value or its history. He was interested to learn the history of the item (and its value) but doesn't intend to sell it. What a find!

kiwisteven - 2009-09-15 00:26:00

Mmmmm Steven, in my last posts i stated that i know first hand, not from the internet. if you want me to take it nationally to prove it i will. but it will not be good for anyone. so up to you-- cheers brett

william1091 - 2009-09-15 00:59:00

1634 thats funny, the only person to have access to the miniature sheets was the printer. which were supposedly all sent to overseas friends.

william1091 - 2009-09-15 01:17:00

william1091 Have been watching your postings with interest and I think it is time to put up or shut up as you are starting to lose any credibility you may have.
Regards Paul.

rebel58 - 2009-09-15 08:01:00

William1091 Time to spill the beans I agree with Paul, william1091 you keep going on about all the dumping of NZ stamps on the world market. I make my fulltime living selling stamps, so very interested. If you are so concerned, get it out in the open. Regards Gary.

twg1935 - 2009-09-15 08:52:00

Stamp and Coin fair at Tauranga Wesley Methodist Hall this Sat, start 9.am.

harrihorse - 2009-09-15 15:34:00

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donaldo - 2009-09-15 20:55:00

watch out No Don it is more than likely your tiff with another coin collector and please stop trying to get this thread removed by making stupid statements on the coin club thread.

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donaldo - 2009-09-15 22:07:00

not very happy you christchurch dealers seem to believe you have the sole rights on peoples knowledge and opinions. you join together and abuse without any substance. this is my pastime as i made my fortunes years ago elsewere and i am only 46, and with respect to Fredrica whom started this thread as a "friendly talking point" for collectors i wont say anything to disrespect. basically your attitudes are the basis for the decline of collectors. i dont give a stuff, i am laughing

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donaldo - 2009-09-15 22:26:00

twg1935 Gary, my friend started in the post office in the 70s, i have known him for 20 years. he worked his way up to become top brass. many post offices he was in charge. (you must see i have to be vague) he has sheets of missperfed, varieties etc that have never been seen. i have a very high intellect so would not be stating facts unless i knew they were 100%.
his requirements with respect to his job was also to dispose of quantities of comms stamps. not sold. to see a high return. he has retired now, so that is why i am now getting on this case as before it would have been detrimental to him.

william1091 - 2009-09-15 22:47:00

TeddyBear health stamps I am fairly sure that the original source of the Teddy bear miniature sheet I saw was the printers in the Netherlands. Enschede claimed they were security printers but got found out not to be when the teddy Bear Stamps sheets were traced back to gifts they had made in the Netherlands. they have never had another printing job from NZ Post and i am very pleased about that! The only legitimate teddy bear stamps were those issued through the two post offices in Rotorua and Auckland so Donald had a rare view of a full sheet then. I bet it didn't stay as a full sheet for long!

kiwisteven - 2009-09-16 01:21:00

re 1647. Stamp varieties from NZ Post employees. NZ Post has always had a policy that if Postal staff found some imperfect stamps then they should return them for destruction. this edict however has often been ignored and most stamp dealers will know of staff offering them faulty stamps or suspect that error stamps they are beibng offered have come from family members of current Post office staff.
I remember some year 2000 $1.20 sports stamps with badly placed perfs I purchased which turned out to have come from a family member of a NZ Post worker. this kind of thing reflects human nature and is not a case of NZ post dumping stamps onto the market.

kiwisteven - 2009-09-16 01:30:00

re 1647 Brett, Can you (without revealing your sources) at least tell us which N.Z. stamps you understand were dumped onto the overseas market by NZ Post?

kiwisteven - 2009-09-16 01:33:00