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ronaldo8 wrote:

For a fan of non-proprietary operating systems, you sure don't seem to know much about them.

https://9to5linux.com/linus-torvalds-announces-first-linux-5
-15-kernel-release-candidate

Thanks, that clears things up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel_version_history

tygertung - 2021-10-19 18:34:00
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tygertung wrote:

Please tell me more... What lies have I told? I'm not promoting anything or putting digs at anything.

hmmm, I wonder...

king1 - 2021-10-19 19:11:00
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king1 wrote:


My understanding is that installations that circumvent the hardware requirements won't be eligible for any updates at all. read this a while back, so don't know if still the case.

Settings -> Recovery to roll back to 10. But you usually only have 10 days to do so...


Thanks guys, but looks like I'll have to stay with Win 10.
Just out of interest, are you able to change the rollback timeframe to something between 2 and 60 days in Win11, as you can with feature updates to Win 10?

hazelmajor - 2021-10-19 19:47:00
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hazelmajor wrote:


Thanks guys, but looks like I'll have to stay with Win 10.
Just out of interest, are you able to change the rollback timeframe to something between 2 and 60 days in Win11, as you can with feature updates to Win 10?

As I understand it, the rollback feature is only 10 days for Windows 11 back to 10. For Windows 10 back to 7 or 8 it was 30 days iirc.

You might be thinking of the option to defer the feature updates from installing, in some windows pro versions these could be deferred by up to 60 days..

It looks like MS have changed the system again, you can still pause updates up to 5 weeks in settings but to defer the major updates it's a group policy or regedit - if you search this page for TargetReleaseVersion
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3632159/planning-to-up
date-to-windows-11-a-checklist-before-you-do.html

Edited by king1 at 8:11 pm, Tue 19 Oct

king1 - 2021-10-19 20:06:00
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No, I was thinking more of the ability to use DISM once an update had been installed eg
DISM /Online /Set-OSUninstallWindow /Value:<days>
where days can be a figure between 2 and 60 but the default value is 10 unless reset.

Edited by hazelmajor at 9:43 pm, Tue 19 Oct

hazelmajor - 2021-10-19 21:34:00
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https://www.winhelponline.com/blog/increase-10-day-limit-go-
back-to-previous-version-windows/

hazelmajor - 2021-10-19 21:52:00
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In related news, AMD have announced the minor CPPC performance glitch affecting some ryzen chips in win11 has been addressed, and a patch is forthcoming, as well as MS saying it's putting out a L3 cache latency patch in three days time.

Henny Penny will need to find some other falling sky to flap and fret about.

Edited by ronaldo8 at 10:22 pm, Tue 19 Oct

ronaldo8 - 2021-10-19 22:20:00
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hazelmajor wrote:

No, I was thinking more of the ability to use DISM once an update had been installed eg
DISM /Online /Set-OSUninstallWindow /Value:<days>
where days can be a figure between 2 and 60 but the default value is 10 unless reset.

oh I see - it could still be there, when I run that command to check it I get the error message they describe, being outside the 10 day limit now...

king1 - 2021-10-20 08:54:00
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ronaldo8 wrote:

In related news, AMD have announced the minor CPPC performance glitch affecting some ryzen chips in win11 has been addressed, and a patch is forthcoming, as well as MS saying it's putting out a L3 cache latency patch in three days time.

Henny Penny will need to find some other falling sky to flap and fret about.

I exepct the messageboard to be gone before that actually gets released and tested in the real world.

bitsnpieces2020 - 2021-10-20 08:58:00
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Hoping for a bit more time to clutch your pearls ?

ronaldo8 - 2021-10-20 12:01:00
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ronaldo8 wrote:

And there is it. The fanbois pitch. " Free and open source operating systems are a different matter" Your entire angle this whole time. It's so predictable it's sad.

As I already said, try running a 15 series kernel on that piece of crap in your video and let's see how much works. Lots of fun trying to get sound gfx and wifi modules that compile let alone work, yay!

Now that isn't my video, so I don't have the machine, but as a comprimise, I do have a netbook with an intel atom N560, which is considerably slower than the CPU they tested. It is currently running W7 and on the other partition, it is running Ubuntu with a LXDE desktop environment, and running kernel 5.4( Released 24 November 2019), and it runs absolutely fine. It has a HDD too, so no help there. I could upgrade it to 5.14 probably. Kernel version 5.15 isn't yet released, so can't really use it yet.

tygertung - 2021-10-20 14:46:00
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ronaldo8 wrote:

Hoping for a bit more time to clutch your pearls ?


I've got 4 more years of supported windows 10. I expect 12 will be here by then. If I haven't, you know, just gone to linux full time.

bitsnpieces2020 - 2021-10-20 15:57:00
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tygertung wrote:

Now that isn't my video, so I don't have the machine, but as a comprimise, I do have a netbook with an intel atom N560, which is considerably slower than the CPU they tested. It is currently running W7 and on the other partition, it is running Ubuntu with a LXDE desktop environment, and running kernel 5.4( Released 24 November 2019), and it runs absolutely fine. It has a HDD too, so no help there. I could upgrade it to 5.14 probably. Kernel version 5.15 isn't yet released, so can't really use it yet.

who cares

docpc - 2021-10-20 16:45:00
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docpc wrote:

who cares

Exactly. Tedious isn't it.
Bet he's absolutely riveting at a party. As in, you'd need your feet riveted to the floor to stop you climbing out the nearest window and making a run for it.

ronaldo8 - 2021-10-20 18:08:00
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ronaldo8 wrote:

Exactly. Tedious isn't it.
Bet he's absolutely riveting at a party. As in, you'd need your feet riveted to the floor to stop you climbing out the nearest window and making a run for it.

Not sure why you keep banging on bashing anything other than Windows. Seems you do care.

tygertung - 2021-10-20 18:23:00
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tygertung wrote:

Not sure why you keep banging on bashing anything other than Windows. Seems you do care.

What a stupid assumption based on who knows what. I use three different operating systems on a regular basis.

I'll leave the religious zealotry to you.

ronaldo8 - 2021-10-20 18:43:00
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tygertung wrote:

Not sure why you keep banging on bashing anything other than Windows. Seems you do care.

that's a classic case of projection if ever I saw one - obviously a defence mechanism you've developed over the years...

king1 - 2021-10-20 18:49:00
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Just saw this article about a way round the unsupported question.
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-install-windows-
11-on-older-unsupported-pcs/?ftag=TREe331754&bhid=495619
77&mid=13554003&cid=712421610

Seems like a lot of hassle and no mention of whether you would receive further updates, so seems a bit risky to me.

hazelmajor - 2021-10-20 20:31:00
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ronaldo8 wrote:

What a stupid assumption based on who knows what. I use three different operating systems on a regular basis.

I'll leave the religious zealotry to you.

MacOS is based on BSD I have heard.

tygertung - 2021-10-21 10:34:00
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tygertung wrote:

MacOS is based on BSD I have heard.

Q: Why am I interested in what you have heard?
A: I am not.

ronaldo8 - 2021-10-21 12:23:00
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ronaldo8 wrote:

Q: Why am I interested in what you have heard?
A: I am not.

+ infinity to that

docpc - 2021-10-21 12:33:00
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king1 wrote:

I was also getting some kind of weird license error when opening images in the photos app. and I also couldn't change the JPG file association anywhere,
so I reset the photos app and it all is working as expected, now opens almost as quick as irfanview.

reset it with
Get-AppxPackage Microsoft.Windows.Photos -AllUsers | Reset-AppxPackage

Microsoft upgrades are Boeing like with their changes; wait till something fails or is misunderstood then issue new versions accordingly.
I prefer to USB stick transfer all JPEG images to Android Smart phone for editing.
You can then reverse the process or email back to PC or other party direct.
Smart phone graphics, logic and versatility allows you to bypass the PC all together and use real camera SD or CF cards with USB phone adaptor.
Phones own micro SD storage is also invaluable.
Blue tooth connection to Wifi printer if required.

Edited by frank80 at 3:40 pm, Thu 21 Oct

frank80 - 2021-10-21 15:38:00
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bitsnpieces2020 wrote:

I exepct the messageboard to be gone before that actually gets released and tested in the real world.

"AMD just put up an update on its knowledge base blog, flagging both items as "issue solved; solution available."

As of October 21, 2021: Windows 11 update KB5006746 fully resolves the performance impact of Issue 1 described in this article," reads the blog post. "AMD Chipset Driver 3.10.08.506 fully resolves the performance impact of Issue 2 described in this article. AMD has verified that the performance and behaviour of compatible AMD processors are working as intended on Windows 11 subsequent to the installation of these updates. AMD and Microsoft recommend that users promptly install this update on affected systems."

https://www.pcgamer.com/the-fixes-for-the-windows-11-bugs-th
at-were-hurting-amd-ryzen-performance-are-now-live/

New chipset drivers here
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-400

And now giving a decent performance increase for gamers it would appear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfrJd3FjemU

muh pearls!!

Edited by ronaldo8 at 7:09 pm, Fri 22 Oct

ronaldo8 - 2021-10-22 18:56:00
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frank80 wrote:

Microsoft upgrades are Boeing like with their changes; wait till something fails or is misunderstood then issue new versions accordingly.

actually that's kind of how troubleshooting anything works... In a hi tech world of planes or PCs or smart phones, no amount of testing will reveal all potential points of failure - that's why we have air crash investigations to learn from sh*t that goes wrong... Personally I think MS respond pretty quickly for important problems.

king1 - 2021-10-22 20:11:00
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ronaldo8 wrote:


And now giving a decent performance increase for gamers it would appear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfrJd3FjemU

did you watch the end? it crashs more. he said people should wait to upgrade. enjoy your additional frames, when its not crashing. /lol

bitsnpieces2020 - 2021-10-23 08:33:00
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Except it doesn't.
Yes I watched it, you clearly didn't, or were not paying attention.

He was running the insiders channel version, which is two kernels out from the stable release version. Which is extremely stable, one of the key reasons MS pushed to the tighter hardware model was based on the reliability stats from several years of surface deployment that run that hardware model, 97% less crashes.

MUH PEARLS!!!

ronaldo8 - 2021-10-23 12:06:00
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O, and 60% less malware infections.

ronaldo8 - 2021-10-23 12:26:00
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bitsnpieces2020 wrote:

did you watch the end? it crashs more. he said people should wait to upgrade. enjoy your additional frames, when its not crashing. /lol

Did you watch to the end or just pick out what you wants to complain about

docpc - 2021-10-23 16:56:00
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Yes, but don't expect it to run on your old machine. You will be wanting a new machine for it. Old machines run better on old versions of Windows.

tygertung - 2021-10-23 17:19:00
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ronaldo8 wrote:

What a stupid assumption based on who knows what. I use three different operating systems on a regular basis.

I'll leave the religious zealotry to you.

Please tell me more.... Which operating systems please?

tygertung - 2021-10-23 17:24:00
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cube_guy wrote:

No one is even TRYING to have this argument with you, you seem to have it in your head that someone is.

It is not rocket science or even a slightly outrageous thing to say that a modern operating system will take advantage of modern hardware - it absolutely should and I wouldn't call it some crazy "design philosophy" by Microsoft. I'll ask again though, where is anyone saying anything to the contrary?

I don't see it as some "crazy" design philosophy. Really, why would you expect Microsoft to design their operating system for obsolete hardware. The market share is smaller, so it wouldn't be profitable. The purpose of a company is to make money.

If you insist on using obsolete hardware, you will need to find an organisation whose purpose isn't to make money as they will be able to cater to more specialised use cases.

tygertung - 2021-10-23 17:37:00
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ronaldo8 wrote:

O, and 60% less malware infections.

lol yea MS are the experts at detyecting malware.
https://www.cybersecurity-help.cz/blog/2348.html
9 years nobody knew about this one. And UEFI was championed by MS to be more secure.

bitsnpieces2020 - 2021-10-23 18:06:00
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Look, the computers now are considerably faster than the ones which were produced four years ago. So why would you expect Microsoft to be developing their operating system for old slow obsolete machines? It is unreasonable to do so. They are going to be developing it for machines of the present, not machines of the past.

tygertung - 2021-10-23 18:10:00
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tygertung wrote:

Look, the computers now are considerably faster than the ones which were produced four years ago. So why would you expect Microsoft to be developing their operating system for old slow obsolete machines? It is unreasonable to do so. They are going to be developing it for machines of the present, not machines of the past.

You are a broken record with no information of value , you are only reading what you want to see on the internet and have no real value of input as you have not yourself installed and used Windows 11 on any machine yourself to give a true value of information .

docpc - 2021-10-23 18:23:00
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tygertung wrote:

I don't see it as some "crazy" design philosophy. Really, why would you expect Microsoft to design their operating system for obsolete hardware. The market share is smaller, so it wouldn't be profitable. The purpose of a company is to make money.

If you insist on using obsolete hardware, you will need to find an organisation whose purpose isn't to make money as they will be able to cater to more specialised use cases.

They give it away for free you can use win 7 , 8 or 10 key to activate , yes im sure Microsoft going to make a fortune on it , your obsolete with your reasoning

docpc - 2021-10-23 18:41:00
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tygertung wrote:

Look, the computers now are considerably faster than the ones which were produced four years ago. So why would you expect Microsoft to be developing their operating system for old slow obsolete machines? It is unreasonable to do so. They are going to be developing it for machines of the present, not machines of the past.

is this directed at some imaginary antagonist?

your repeating yourself over and over with the same information everyone already knows, for what purpose (i wonder...). My Dad had to go into a dementia unit for this sort of behaviour...

Edited by king1 at 9:05 pm, Sat 23 Oct

king1 - 2021-10-23 21:04:00
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tygertung wrote:


If you insist on using obsolete hardware, you will need to find an organisation whose purpose isn't to make money as they will be able to cater to more specialised use cases.

Do I detect one of those veiled plugs you don't make?

king1 - 2021-10-23 21:24:00
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The member deleted this message.

gyrogearloose - 2021-10-23 21:37:00
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docpc wrote:

You are a broken record with no information of value , you are only reading what you want to see on the internet and have no real value of input as you have not yourself installed and used Windows 11 on any machine yourself to give a true value of information .

I only have ancient machines which are not suitable for Windows 11 use.

This machine has a second generation i5 CPU and runs real fast on Windows 7. Probably too old to be a good candidate for W11. I will stick to Windows 7 for now thanks.

tygertung - 2021-10-24 08:22:00
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docpc wrote:

They give it away for free you can use win 7 , 8 or 10 key to activate , yes im sure Microsoft going to make a fortune on it , your obsolete with your reasoning

They will sell it when anyone buys a new PC. There is a new requirement for TPM 2.0 compliant hardware, so old machines will not be compatible unless one hacks into the system. MS might even consider releasing a patch to not allow this any more. Therefore you can buy a new machine with a new licence key instead.

tygertung - 2021-10-24 08:24:00
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You really should stop talking about things you don't know anthing about like an ignorant clod who can't shut his mouth.

ronaldo8 - 2021-10-24 10:58:00
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bitsnpieces2020 wrote:

lol yea MS are the experts at detyecting malware.
https://www.cybersecurity-help.cz/blog/2348.html
9 years nobody knew about this one. And UEFI was championed by MS to be more secure.

You aren't too sharp are you bitsi. For instance you don't understand the difference between absolute and relative measurement and therefore why your red herring there is flapping about like the foolish irrelevance it is.

Very entertaining though.

ronaldo8 - 2021-10-24 11:20:00
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bitsnpieces2020 wrote:

lol yea MS are the experts at detyecting malware.
https://www.cybersecurity-help.cz/blog/2348.html
9 years nobody knew about this one. And UEFI was championed by MS to be more secure.

lol, that's like saying that because i'm a member of the AA, i'm responsible for any car accidents on the road...

Dozens if not hundreds of companies 'championed' UEFI, it is meaningless to suggest that any one of them is more or less competent at, or responsible for, any security issues that are discovered, regardless of age... As disappointing as that may be for you, that is how some of the more obscure security threats are discovered...

king1 - 2021-10-24 11:41:00
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ronaldo8 wrote:

You really should stop talking about things you don't know anthing about like an ignorant clod who can't shut his mouth.

Do you actually have anything useful to say, or just nasty comments?

tygertung - 2021-10-24 15:21:00
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king1 wrote:

lol, that's like saying that because i'm a member of the AA, i'm responsible for any car accidents on the road...

Dozens if not hundreds of companies 'championed' UEFI, it is meaningless to suggest that any one of them is more or less competent at, or responsible for, any security issues that are discovered, regardless of age... As disappointing as that may be for you, that is how some of the more obscure security threats are discovered...

Only one made the UEFI windows boot loader, specifically targetted by the malware, and then despite trumpetting it as a security measure, were utterly redfaced when it was compromised, for 9 years. Even then it was ESET who found it. And I'm replying in the context of ronaldo claiming windows 11 is 60% more malware resistant.

bitsnpieces2020 - 2021-10-24 21:16:00
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ronaldo is not claiming anything , hes stating a fact written fact from Microsoft's own mouth

"Microsoft claims Windows 11 reduces malware by 60 percent, here’s how it works"

https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/microsoft-claims-w
indows-11-reduces-malware-by-60-percent-here-s-how-it-works-
71633591825557.html

Will have to see if it works in real time in the future won't we

docpc - 2021-10-25 09:26:00
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