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Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

No one has all the answers, and you may get five differing answers to the same question, yet each may be right in a manner of speaking, especially if opinions are involved. Opinions often vary. If you receive no answer to your query within 48 hours, please ask again.

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echoriath - 2012-08-17 22:26:00
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I won't disagree entirely, don and shayne, though in fairness, questions generally get answered and numismatic discussion ensues. In the down time, familiar names/faces gravitate towards off-topic chat. Being an open forum within TM, we need not pretend we control the content beyond the ability to self-edit and to vote off comments or threads. I do agree with chefman that there will be queries about specific auctions. Sellers who immediately drop into a defensive crouch when questioned? Well, murder will out.

But we soldier on.

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echoriath - 2012-08-17 22:28:00
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Oh well I've had my moan hope I haven't upset the "Applecart" to much, I'm not usually the auction police, the coin club will get my full support of its rules and regs from now on.

brucie69 - 2012-08-17 22:49:00
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brucie69 wrote:

Oh well I've had my moan hope I haven't upset the "Applecart" to much, I'm not usually the auction police, the coin club will get my full support of its rules and regs from now on.

No worries, and no harm, no foul as such. The official guideline is no auctions are to be referenced by number. Having said that, it's not hard to "reference" an auction by providing a couple of words (spelt identically to the auction and in the same order) that are reasonably unique to that auction, or a mention of the type of item and let the inquisitive do a little legwork.

As I say, some traders respond better to queries than others. Much more could be said......

But instead let me offer a warm welcome, brucie. Feel free to drop in any time.

Edited by echoriath at 11:09 pm, Fri 17 Aug

echoriath - 2012-08-17 22:56:00
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Just one last comment, after a bit of digging around I stumbled upon the scam busters website which seems to deal mainly with trademe, it can clearly be seen that said 1822 sovereign was purchased from eBay as a fake/copy, it seems the experienced gold buyers on TM must be blind! and that the seller is out to con people and should not be trusted, that's all I have to say you decide amongst yourselves whether this deserves discussion or not.

brucie69 - 2012-08-18 09:56:00
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shayne45 - 2012-08-18 10:24:00
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Sad to say but it looks like this coin thread is heading in the same direction as the last 2.

lester36 - 2012-08-18 19:14:00
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oldecurb - 2012-08-18 23:41:00
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shayne45 - 2012-08-19 10:05:00
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Hey Shayne well it may be re-listed yet as I havent heard from the buyer when he is going to pay....

cashintheattic - 2012-08-19 11:22:00
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shayne45 - 2012-08-19 11:23:00
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Yeah, wow, I am, quite surprised by that final price. Maybe if buyer backs out, it'd give the opportunity to list it on another site where it can realise a better return, though the FPO idea is a good one. The only downside is there tends to be a view that "If it only sold for $X, I won't pay more than that". But maybe this will be different.

BTW, the seller has up to a week to make payment. Don't let things go pear-shaped through impatience.

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echoriath - 2012-08-19 11:46:00
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shayne45 - 2012-08-19 12:09:00
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Yeah I know patience is key... I have sent a couple of emails and will wait to see if I hear back.

cashintheattic - 2012-08-19 13:15:00
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shayne45 - 2012-08-19 13:55:00
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ringatoi - 2012-08-19 14:04:00
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Payment has been made so the coin is heading across the ditch. Oh well I am happy with what I got for it as I found it in a lot of 300 pennys I bought.

cashintheattic - 2012-08-19 16:54:00
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shayne45 - 2012-08-19 17:11:00
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#105. Brilliant piece of investigative work brucie69. You've presented all the evidence necessary to confirm that they/him/her/it did me a huge favour when they blacklisted me. I've got a bit of a soft spot for a certain Lima halfcrown so I could have been tempted. This thread needs to move on from being shell shocked and scared of its own shadow and get back to doing what it did well. Giving good advice about coins, including what and who to watch out for, as well as being thoroughly entertaining. Can't imagine anything more boring than a PC coin thread.

puckles - 2012-08-19 19:40:00
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shayne45 - 2012-08-19 20:06:00
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Where is the best place to get coins valued or where I can sell them in New Zealand?

casmac25 - 2012-08-20 19:04:00
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casmac25 wrote:

Where is the best place to get coins valued or where I can sell them in New Zealand?

You can sell them right here on TradeMe if you have the inclination. If there are many coins, and you are in a hurry, a dealer might be able to offer you a lump sum. It's worth doing at least a bit of research on the older ones. There are many useful websites to get info on how to grade and value a coin, though such values are usually for insurance replacement value.

If you elect to sell them here, you may get considerably less than insurance replacement, though taking good pix ensures the best return. See earlier posts by shayne on this thread for tips on taking good pix.

May I ask where your coins are from, and what are the date ranges and denominations?

echoriath - 2012-08-20 19:13:00
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shayne45 - 2012-08-20 19:38:00
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Do tell the composition. I imagine one will find fakes that are actually silver and even gold so as to sell the lie. I have bought one or two on purpose as well for comparison sake (though i don't know their metal content). Seems prudent, really, to pick up a fake or two on the cheap.

The thing is, well-done fakes are going to generally be of highly valuable coins in varying states or more common coins in extremely good shape. I don't know the ostensible value of what you've posted, shayne, which reveals my ignorance in that area, but it seems to be intended to fool a neophyte, I'll admit. Rarely would someone copy a common coin except as a novelty. Nevertheless, fakes are often produced with the intent to deceive even experts.

As such, I would agree that getting the opinion of an expert is a good idea if someone is new to coin collecting or in any case where a purchase price in the three figures or higher is concerned.

echoriath - 2012-08-20 19:52:00
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shayne45 - 2012-08-20 20:18:00
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shayne45 wrote:

Ye he he it's platinum
91% assay anyway
Platinum had the value of tin foil back then. it wasn't for about 50 years that it was found to have any real use other than clog up mining equipment.


You better hurry up and sell platinum price is droping down to $47197.29 US per kilo.LOL

lester36 - 2012-08-20 21:06:00
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shayne45 - 2012-08-20 21:13:00
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shayne45 wrote:


10 grams of it is better than no grams of it
And by your price there it is worth what, $471.97?

Ok, you've had your brag. Care to share what you paid?

echoriath - 2012-08-20 21:18:00
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shayne45 - 2012-08-20 21:19:00
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lester36 - 2012-08-20 21:19:00
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shayne45 wrote:


$5 for the coin and $5 for postage.

Brillliant! Well done.

echoriath - 2012-08-20 21:20:00
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What I paid for my 1909-S VDB was almost embarrassing, though I did query the seller on the year and mint mark on the auction. I took a punt on the initials being there. I think I paid $10 for it and another dozen or so bits and bobs. Sometimes you pick a winner......

echoriath - 2012-08-20 21:29:00
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shayne45 - 2012-08-20 21:35:00
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brucie69 wrote:

Just one last comment, after a bit of digging around I stumbled upon the scam busters website which seems to deal mainly with trademe, it can clearly be seen that said 1822 sovereign was purchased from eBay as a fake/copy, it seems the experienced gold buyers on TM must be blind! and that the seller is out to con people and should not be trusted, that's all I have to say you decide amongst yourselves whether this deserves discussion or not.

Where is your ebidence that this is the same coin that was listed here?

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shayne45 - 2012-08-21 09:57:00
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shayne45 - 2012-08-22 12:13:00
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shayne45 - 2012-08-22 14:05:00
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looks like some-one got banned today.....see you in a month or to

chefman1 - 2012-08-22 17:51:00
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Bump

marg53 - 2012-08-23 17:20:00
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Good on ya, marg.

For burmese1:

Do you have a camera, and are you decent at taking photos? The easy way with a good camera is to put it on Auto. If you are more motivated, look for a flower icon that is a setting called Macro. This is specifically for the purpose of taking close-up photos. This process is easier with a tripod, though you can stabilise the camera yourself by holding the camera with both hands and placing your elbows on a flat surface above the coins.

It's also better to turn off the flash and shoot with natural sunlight. Cameras that cost more than $100 or so (and maybe some that are less) have a remarkable number of options for taking good pix, but the main point is that good pix of both sides of your coins generally = better returns. Good pix reveal the quality of coins, whether that quality be good or bad.

If you need guidance on posting a pic in here, please ask.

echoriath - 2012-08-23 23:26:00
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Hey guys what kind of grading would you give this?
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/1/229849001_full.jpg

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/61/229849161_full.jp
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Cheers

cashintheattic - 2012-08-24 10:05:00
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hello cashintheattic...i would say e/fine condition,nice coin you have there..cheers peter

Edited by chefman1 at 10:43 am, Fri 24 Aug

chefman1 - 2012-08-24 10:42:00
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Thanks for that Peter... Question on the side with Georgivs if you look at the VI does that look to be an error on the coin? Maybe something to do with the die??

Thanks

cashintheattic - 2012-08-24 13:52:00
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you could be right...but can you turn the photo around for me please.. so i can have a better look at it..cheers peter

chefman1 - 2012-08-24 15:00:00
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try this one

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/10/229881610_full.jp
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cashintheattic - 2012-08-24 15:09:00
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If it's material that is raised up, I'd say it's damage in the die, leaving a cud raised up on the letters. If that's what it is, I'm not sure what would cause what you've got. Often you get cuds around the borders of coins where the dies have broken. Cracks in dies can also show as continuous raised lines running across a coin where metal was squeezed into the crack during production. Die cracks will often run right across the design.

echoriath - 2012-08-24 18:50:00
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What will it mean for the marketplace here if a 1964 Jefferson Nickel goes for $100? That'd be quite a discount from an original $500 price tag. Gotta love an optimist.

echoriath - 2012-08-25 12:44:00
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What are these??

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/41/230006741_full.jp
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http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/31/230006831_full.jp
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and also this
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/74/230006974_full.jp
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http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/77/230007077_full.jp
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cashintheattic - 2012-08-25 14:07:00
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hello cashintheattic
the first two photos are gaming tokens = [the good old days]

chefman1 - 2012-08-25 14:21:00
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ahh cool so not worth anything really?

cashintheattic - 2012-08-25 14:22:00
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