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julieo wrote:

alpha111.... his own site?? how do I find freedom39's site??

Thanks

julieo,just google this [colonial collectables] this is his site ok

chefman1 - 2013-01-21 17:36:00
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Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

No one has all the answers, and you may get five differing answers to the same question, yet each may be right in a manner of speaking, especially if opinions are involved. Opinions often vary. If you receive no answer to your query within 48 hours, please ask again.

chefman1 - 2013-01-21 17:37:00
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chefman1 wrote:

were is your camera tim,for somebody who tells people to put up good photos on there auctions,looks like you are missing some on your auctions...lol

The funniest thing is that through December, I had a number of sales of lots with no photos.

echoriath - 2013-01-21 21:44:00
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bearnaise wrote:

I have noticed a big change in coin prices since last year. Sellers are now demanding catalogue prices for their goodies. In the past there were some decent deals on offer. On top of those prices there is postage to be paid as well which makes items more expensive than buying same coins from dealer's shops without having to pay postage costs as well. Pre 1947 NZ silver coins(only 50% silver) are becoming unafordable and way above what they should be sold for.
Also the new Premier catalogue 2012 is also disappointing as it did in 2011.. there are no prices fluctuations at all...at $17.95 a copy all it gives you is a new cover page each year.
I have done my moaning for the year

Hi bearnaise, some interesting points you make. Perhaps there is a general slowing of sales and a frustration on the part of sellers, so they start thinking, "I will have to get closer to book to make money, and I am tired of poor sales on low-reserve auctions for valuable items [hoping for a lot of bidding to near market value and not getting it]." That's my theory.

Prices guides are just that: guides. They are usually created from averages of sales researched by the creator of the guide, so in a flat market......

I usually only buy a guide every five years or so, and more as a gauge of the market at the time for future reference. If you look at the US Red Book by Yeoman through the 70s, you see incredible climbs in silver and gold coin prices, but that was merely a reflection of bullion prices. By the early 80s everything had crashed back to earth. It was the same again around 2006 or so.

I'm not saying that a crash is going to happen again (though it could), and there is speculation that metal prices are tipped to climb a LOT more (and they could), but ultimately guide books reflect conditions as they were at the time of printing, and are not technically forward-looking.

echoriath - 2013-01-23 07:28:00
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If I could mention one thing it would BUMP .

But I will not .

Or maybe I will.

Bump. Or BUMP

lester36 - 2013-01-24 22:10:00
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Hey guys long time no post..... Question... I have a Milner and Thompson Token Sole Agents for John Brinsmead & Sons Pianos. It appears to be silver??? Does anyone know anything about them??

cashintheattic - 2013-01-25 19:14:00
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cashintheattic wrote:

Hey guys long time no post..... Question... I have a Milner and Thompson Token Sole Agents for John Brinsmead & Sons Pianos. It appears to be silver??? Does anyone know anything about them??


Hello I have never heard of a silver one Possibly it has been silver plated.

lester36 - 2013-01-25 20:26:00
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Has any body got information on the 1936 flatback florin. I did a google and there doesn't seem to be any information out there, weird... I am sure it exists cos I am selling some of them, but I can't find any info in the catalogues! cheers - and a belated happy new year to all the regulars!

iamriff - 2013-01-26 22:44:00
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oldecurb - 2013-01-27 23:04:00
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oldecurb wrote:

To complete my Fiji collection I'm after a 49 and 50 halfpenny and a 37 and 45 florin. Anyone got any they would like to list?


Your Request has been half accomplished.
Sorry I have not got the florin ones but the half-penny ones listed.

lester36 - 2013-01-28 10:22:00
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Thanks for the trade Peter, ( chefman1 )only found this Coin Club by accident as a bit boring on TM in these later hours.All the best,Alan

gammoner - 2013-01-28 23:13:00
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Hi again Peter, replied to your email but I seem to be getting everything I send to any hotmail.com address back as undeliverable.You may have another non hotmail .com acc ?Regards,Alan

gammoner - 2013-01-28 23:33:00
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iamriff wrote:

Has any body got information on the 1936 flatback florin. I did a google and there doesn't seem to be any information out there, weird... I am sure it exists cos I am selling some of them, but I can't find any info in the catalogues! cheers - and a belated happy new year to all the regulars!

Hey Ian, I'm not ignoring your question. I just have no insight to offer. Hope your year is going well.

echoriath - 2013-01-29 06:53:00
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iamriff wrote:

Has any body got information on the 1936 flatback florin. I did a google and there doesn't seem to be any information out there, weird... I am sure it exists cos I am selling some of them, but I can't find any info in the catalogues! cheers - and a belated happy new year to all the regulars!

Are the two you currently have listed the examples?
Regards,Alan

gammoner - 2013-01-30 00:02:00
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Hi Alan, i had some more examples but withdrew the auctions due to comments that they are nonexistent, funny thing is they really have the flatback look, will try to take better pics of the more obvious...cheers

iamriff - 2013-02-01 04:47:00
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iamriff wrote:

Hi Alan, i had some more examples but withdrew the auctions due to comments that they are nonexistent, funny thing is they really have the flatback look, will try to take better pics of the more obvious...cheers


Thanks Ian, would be good to see a pic.I have over 300 and none are flatbacks.Regards,Alan

gammoner - 2013-02-01 10:35:00
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Hi there, does anyone know what min price I could expect to get for a Morgan Dollar 1895-S ? Thanks in advance

orlandofan - 2013-02-03 17:58:00
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orlandofan wrote:

Hi there, does anyone know what min price I could expect to get for a Morgan Dollar 1895-S ? Thanks in advance


Yours appears to be one of the more rare Morgan Dollars. Condition is very important and this site will give you an idea of value:
http://coinauctionshelp.com/1895_s_san_francisco_mint_morgan
_silver_dollar.html

puckles - 2013-02-03 22:16:00
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Those of you who remember the incredibly abusive posts made at #377 & #378 won't be surprised to learn that the trader has been suspended. One can only wonder if like their previous incarnation, jflea1080 or something, they were suspended because they had outstanding unpaid auction fees. You'll possibly even remember the meltdown they had because they didn't get enough bids on their $1 reserve auctions and started refusing to complete the sales. One of the comments on one of their auctions was recorded for posterity in this TMD thread - http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.asp
x?id=1139904&topic=10

They have a new incarnation of course who can't be named as it would breach rules. With their favourite quote though 'My items are listed at the lowest possible price. As a result no Fixed Price Offers will be given to watchers' - you wonder if they pass on any savings made from unpaid fees to their customers.

chrisr5 - 2013-02-05 18:24:00
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Well, last time I asked something on a forum I got in trouble by the trader for not asking them direct. This time (as I have limited knowledge of coins) I asked the trader direct. Well I got the most aggressive and hostile answer!! But I did find out that silver coins can be toned, just didn't like the hostile response, which I have since complained to Trade Me about!

Question:
What do you mean by the lowest possible price, I can see that Trade Me's lowest possible price is $1 reserve? The coin looks brown and not silver, is there a reason for that? No offence, just curious about your description.

Answer:
Haha, Always amuses me when narcissistic little boys think they have all the answers. Only a total ignoramus would say this beautiful and very obviously Silver coin is not Silver. Never heard of toning on a coin? Clearly not! "My" lowest possible price clearly relates to not offering a fixed price offer to watchers for less than the listing price. Very obvious. It even says so in the listing. You sound like a jealous lonely little man who sells $1 coins. Past your bedtime. nite nite

posted by: ireba1234 (76

And BTW still looking for my manly bits!!

bizarre67 - 2013-02-07 19:38:00
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Hi All I picked this up last night at my coin club, It was in our 10 cent a coin bucket.
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/253416394.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/253416288.jpg
It is an 1805 calender coin.
How common are they ?
When I found it I thought it was modern but then checked with a lens and found the date.
The diameter is similar to a New Zealand commemorative dollar and the thickness is about half that of the dollar.

lester36 - 2013-02-07 20:48:00
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bizarre67 wrote:

Well, last time I asked something on a forum I got in trouble by the trader for not asking them direct. This time (as I have limited knowledge of coins) I asked the trader direct. Well I got the most aggressive and hostile answer!! But I did find out that silver coins can be toned, just didn't like the hostile response, which I have since complained to Trade Me about!

Question:
What do you mean by the lowest possible price, I can see that Trade Me's lowest possible price is $1 reserve? The coin looks brown and not silver, is there a reason for that? No offence, just curious about your description.

Answer:
Haha, Always amuses me when narcissistic little boys think they have all the answers. Only a total ignoramus would say this beautiful and very obviously Silver coin is not Silver. Never heard of toning on a coin? Clearly not! "My" lowest possible price clearly relates to not offering a fixed price offer to watchers for less than the listing price. Very obvious. It even says so in the listing. You sound like a jealous lonely little man who sells $1 coins. Past your bedtime. nite nite

posted by: ireba1234 (76

And BTW still looking for my manly bits!!


Yes I saw that, Do you realise you are now BLACKLISTED like the rest of us.

Nice coins tho.

lester36 - 2013-02-07 21:08:00
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Well now that I know you can tone coins .. I'm not going to do it, but how do you do it and what with?

bizarre67 - 2013-02-07 21:51:00
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bizarre67 wrote:

Well now that I know you can tone coins .. I'm not going to do it, but how do you do it and what with?


Toning on a coin is achieved by age and not cleaning.
That is why coins should not be cleaned.

lester36 - 2013-02-07 22:01:00
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lester36 wrote:


Toning on a coin is achieved by age and not cleaning.
That is why coins should not be cleaned.


Thankyou for that, now I understand what it is

bizarre67 - 2013-02-07 22:40:00
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lester36 wrote:

Hi All I picked this up last night at my coin club, It was in our 10 cent a coin bucket.
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/253416394.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/253416288.jpg
It is an 1805 calender coin.
How common are they ?
When I found it I thought it was modern but then checked with a lens and found the date.
The diameter is similar to a New Zealand commemorative dollar and the thickness is about half that of the dollar.

NIce find, not sure how common they are but someone once had one up for quite a fair bit more than that!

edit - typo

Edited by chrisr5 at 3:40 pm, Fri 8 Feb

chrisr5 - 2013-02-08 15:35:00
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bizarre67 wrote:

Well now that I know you can tone coins .. I'm not going to do it, but how do you do it and what with?

If you can still ask them questions you could do worse than ask if they ever had their 1822 'gold sovereign' authenticated and slabbed!

chrisr5 - 2013-02-08 15:37:00
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chrisr5 wrote:

If you can still ask them questions you could do worse than ask if they ever had their 1822 'gold sovereign' authenticated and slabbed!


lol...might stop in auckland for a freshly brewed espresso ...nice pot..chrisr5

Edited by chefman1 at 4:35 pm, Fri 8 Feb

chefman1 - 2013-02-08 16:33:00
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Here is another of my finds
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/253572185.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/253572249.jpg
Isle of Man 1 penny 1786
Worn but recognizable.

lester36 - 2013-02-08 19:19:00
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oldecurb - 2013-02-08 20:57:00
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chefman1 wrote:


lol...might stop in auckland for a freshly brewed espresso ...nice pot..chrisr5

Freshly roasted too, I don't have to use a wok to roast the beans now. If you're up in Auckland you're very welcome to drop by for a cup and to see the coin collection.

chrisr5 - 2013-02-09 08:14:00
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That Austrian florin was popular!

chrisr5 - 2013-02-09 21:20:00
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chrisr5 wrote:

That Austrian florin was popular!


Very ! We didn't get a look in )-:

lester36 - 2013-02-10 11:28:00
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Hi Lindsay ~ from memory there were three buckets of coins for ten cents each so you got a good reward for the work of going through them. I was lucky to be the last raffle winner and receivrd a magnificent uncirculated Churchill crown that I have carefully transported back to the Hutt Valley!
I did like the wooden coin storage boxes that Ian was selling and hope to fill up the ones that I purchased..
Glad that I got my Austrian florins in Aussie from dealers!!

alpha111 - 2013-02-10 17:58:00
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bizarre67 wrote:

Well now that I know you can tone coins .. I'm not going to do it, but how do you do it and what with?

Toning can be done manually, as it were, but it's not something I have experience with doing. Likewise, cleaning it off is not so good. Sadly, too many people think a nice shiny coin necessarily has more value than one that has its natural age showing.

If you ever watch Antiques Roadshow, there's a similar phenomenon with furniture. The valuer shows clear ambivalence, trying to delicately explain that the value WOULD be $100,000..... HAD it NOT been "cleaned up" by some well-intended person. Now the value of the piece is $10,000 on a good day.

echoriath - 2013-02-10 18:19:00
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echoriath wrote:

Toning can be done manually, as it were, but it's not something I have experience with doing. Likewise, cleaning it off is not so good. Sadly, too many people think a nice shiny coin necessarily has more value than one that has its natural age showing.

If you ever watch Antiques Roadshow, there's a similar phenomenon with furniture. The valuer shows clear ambivalence, trying to delicately explain that the value WOULD be $100,000..... HAD it NOT been "cleaned up" by some well-intended person. Now the value of the piece is $10,000 on a good day.

I'd say it all depends on the coin. I got an NZ florin that had been glued to wood. I soaked it in acetone for a few days and got off the glue but the toning was totally funked. So I put it through some electrolysis and it came out superbly. It is now developing some excellent toning.

chrisr5 - 2013-02-11 07:56:00
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alpha111 wrote:


Glad that I got my Austrian florins in Aussie from dealers!!

It seems there are some coins that just go OTT on bidding and Austrian florins always seem to do that when they come up.

chrisr5 - 2013-02-11 07:59:00
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chrisr5 wrote:

I'd say it all depends on the coin. I got an NZ florin that had been glued to wood. I soaked it in acetone for a few days and got off the glue but the toning was totally funked. So I put it through some electrolysis and it came out superbly. It is now developing some excellent toning.

That's one of the nice things about coins that are in some way munted: One is free to experiment and tinker and see how they react without risking something with a better provenance/condition. I've had the odd coin in the fire to see if heat would reveal a date - it did not work. Acid can achieve the same thing, of course, but I had no acid to hand.

Edited by echoriath at 5:25 pm, Mon 11 Feb

echoriath - 2013-02-11 17:24:00
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alpha111 wrote:

Hi Lindsay ~ from memory there were three buckets of coins for ten cents each so you got a good reward for the work of going through them. I was lucky to be the last raffle winner and receivrd a magnificent uncirculated Churchill crown that I have carefully transported back to the Hutt Valley!
I did like the wooden coin storage boxes that Ian was selling and hope to fill up the ones that I purchased..
Glad that I got my Austrian florins in Aussie from dealers!!


Hi Don, You never know who you will bump into.
Yes it was a good night with 1 new bucket , the other trays have been there a while but the get stuff put in all the time so you always have to have a rat through.
I have a few other gems from there as well.
Im on holiday at the moment and today picked up a Belgium 5 Francs-1852 and a Mexico 8 Reales -1841 Plus a few other small silver coins so a good first day on holiday.

lester36 - 2013-02-11 19:00:00
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lester36 or chrisr5, do you know what this is please coin or token?
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/254045838.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/254045570.jpg
brought a box of coins at a garage sale from around the corner from were i live, lots of silver coins as-well.

Edited by chefman1 at 8:08 pm, Mon 11 Feb

chefman1 - 2013-02-11 20:01:00
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chefman1 wrote:

lester36 or chrisr5, do you know what this is please coin or token?
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/254045838.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/254045570.jpg
brought a box of coins at a garage sale from around the corner from were i live, lots of silver coins as-well.


Belgium 10 cent nice coin I am way from home so have not got my books to check properly

lester36 - 2013-02-11 20:15:00
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lester36 wrote:


Belgium 10 cent nice coin I am way from home so have not got my books to check properly

thankyou lester36, i found it in my coin book as-well,cheers peter

chefman1 - 2013-02-11 23:04:00
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^^^^ What he said^^^^ It's Cu/Ni as you would have guessed with a mint-age of 3.5 million the 2007 Stranded Whirled Dogalog gives it a value of (US$) F -3 , VF - 9, XF - 20, Unc - 45. I always miss these garage sales and excellent deals like CITA and Mr Lester and you now get.

chrisr5 - 2013-02-11 23:08:00
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oldecurb - 2013-02-13 09:25:00
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Don't forget it's up hill all the way from Dunedin.

wasgonna - 2013-02-13 12:46:00
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oldecurb - 2013-02-13 21:00:00
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donaldo - 2013-02-13 21:28:00
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Bad Bruce for going off topic!!

Hahah! No, really, crossing the channel sure ain't cheap. I've not really noticed any difference for stuff going or coming by post, though a person traveling across is pretty dear either way. When I saw the prices for crossing on the ferry I understood why people sometimes choose to swim instead.

I have had the experience where things addressed to me get delivered to a flat around the corner - same number different street. The people in the flat either did not care that it it had been misdelivered or had not gotten around to dropping it back in a letterbox to be re-delivered (hopefully) correctly. While the initial blame goes to NZ Post for misdelivering, mistakes happen. A measure of blame has to go to the folks in the flat who could not be bothered to drop it back in a post box.

echoriath - 2013-02-13 21:30:00
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Kicking.....

echoriath - 2013-02-13 21:47:00
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....the hundy!

echoriath - 2013-02-13 21:47:00
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