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And an Apology to Mudeki. After climbing up to the attic to examine the records of a long abandoned bank account I did locate an undocumented deposit made over 100 days after the original transaction. I am sorry that my powers of clairvoyance did not enable me to make the correct attribution.

alpha111 - 2021-08-29 09:53:00
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alpha111 - 2021-08-29 09:55:00
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alpha111 wrote:

Radio NZ 10.06 am today, book review "When money talks : a history of coins and numismatics".by Dr. Frank Lee Holt. An expert on the new research methodology of Cognitive Numismatics. And Alexander the Great.

Thanks for this - I didn't see the post in time but it's available to listen/download on the RNZ website:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/20188
10146/why-coins-will-continue-to-stand-the-test-of-time

translateltd - 2021-08-29 12:53:00
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Hi
1855 Fourpence help please.
I have the following coin, which I had put aside as scrap because of the hole, but cannot find this particular coin online anywhere, with the particular obverse.
Any info on this coin would be great for interest sake.
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1599622054.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1599622233.jpg
Thanks

matt61 - 2021-08-29 17:00:00
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lester36 wrote:

Hi All in lockdown.
Can anyone help me identify this coin.
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1593852028.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1593851897.jpg
28 mm across 1-4 mm thick 14.50 grams weight
Have looked in my Roman coins book and can not find it.
Thanks, Lindsay


Obverse looks like Isis (not the terrorist group), could be an AE28 of Ptolemy VI circa 150 BC.

alpha111 - 2021-08-29 20:00:00
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Cheers Don.

lester36 - 2021-08-29 20:12:00
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Listing #3222834397 was described as ROMAN? FLAVIOUS VICTOR BRONZE COIN? starting at $100. Extremely low price for that emperor.
However the obverse legend appeared the same as that on a Claudius II Gothicus Alexandrian tetradrachm which would be worth less.

alpha111 - 2021-08-29 20:29:00
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matt61 wrote:

Hi
1855 Fourpence help please.
I have the following coin, which I had put aside as scrap because of the hole, but cannot find this particular coin online anywhere, with the particular obverse.
Any info on this coin would be great for interest sake.
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1599622054.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1599622233.jpg
Thanks

The style of Britannia is very crude compared to official Royal Mint products. It will be a private token, medalet or gaming counter. It also looks brass rather than silver, though that could be due to lighting.

translateltd - 2021-08-29 21:25:00
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alpha111 wrote:

Listing #3222834397 was described as ROMAN? FLAVIOUS VICTOR BRONZE COIN? starting at $100. Extremely low price for that emperor.
However the obverse legend appeared the same as that on a Claudius II Gothicus Alexandrian tetradrachm which would be worth less.

I was struggling with the legend when I saw it, but now you've pointed it out I can make out [AUT K?] KLAUDIOS SEB, so that makes sense.

translateltd - 2021-08-29 21:28:00
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"Unknown medal Sports Could be Russian?" Listing #3244050249
More legend struggles! Guessing the Reverse pagkupria means Pancyprian?

alpha111 - 2021-09-01 11:09:00
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alpha111 wrote:

"Unknown medal Sports Could be Russian?" Listing #3244050249
More legend struggles! Guessing the Reverse pagkupria means Pancyprian?

Funnily enough I just sent a comment on this to the seller :-) Not sure about the initials L E (or A E) above, though.
Apart from GYMNASTIKOS and O ZENÔN I can't make any sense of the obverse legends.

Edited by translateltd at 12:10 pm, Wed 1 Sep

translateltd - 2021-09-01 12:04:00
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Here's a silver one from 1929 - got the obverse legend now:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/OnceUponATimeInLarnaca/perma
link/330032447929709/

translateltd - 2021-09-01 12:19:00
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Were the type 2 NZ 1988 50c coin (no rope variety ) found only in the sets issue, or in the general circulated as well ?
Thanks,Alan

gammoner - 2021-09-03 10:52:00
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gammoner wrote:

Were the type 2 NZ 1988 50c coin (no rope variety ) found only in the sets issue, or in the general circulated as well ?
Thanks,Alan

Both in circulation. It's a complicated story as the no-rope turns up occasionally in earlier years too - research is still ongoing but as I understand it there was a second hub that got pressed into service when required (including to bridge a delay while waiting for new reverse dies to be prepared in 1988), and that's the one the no-rope dies were prepared from. Far from being gospel but it's something like that at least :-)

translateltd - 2021-09-03 16:09:00
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buybuybullion1 - 2021-09-03 16:22:00
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it would have been nice if, after the completion of the stamp lots in the Noble auction, the dude doing the auction had finished up by saying something along the lines that this now completes the live session of the auction and to be sure to put your bids in online for the numismatic literature section, if you are interested.

But alas, the dude, who seemed totally bored and uninterested, didn't bother to do this. You'd think he'd have at least feigned some interest and excitement for the benefit of the numismatic enthusiasts watching!

Anyway, gripe over. I did not get to put my bids on the literature section which looked very interesting (numismatic and non numismatic literature).

Is there any easy way to get to read (preferably online) Sutherland's 'Numismatic History of NZ?. Don't really need my own copy as it is obviously not exactly up to date. Just thought it would be interesting to read to get some insights from back then.

dtpapa - 2021-09-04 12:54:00
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dtpapa wrote:


Is there any easy way to get to read (preferably online) Sutherland's 'Numismatic History of NZ?. Don't really need my own copy as it is obviously not exactly up to date. Just thought it would be interesting to read to get some insights from back then.

Since it's quite a scarce collectible in itself I hope there aren't digital bootleg versions around :-) We all (well, I assume all) gripe about knock-off copies of rare coins ...

translateltd - 2021-09-04 16:07:00
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translateltd wrote:

Since it's quite a scarce collectible in itself I hope there aren't digital bootleg versions around :-) We all (well, I assume all) gripe about knock-off copies of rare coins ...

why is that then? if it a collectible in itself then a digital copy can hardly be mistaken for the real thing? People should be free to read it without paying 1000 dollars or whatever it is people in NZ want for it. It sells at noble for as little as $200.(is it in copyright, the NZ numismatic society should reprint it and sell for 40 or 50 dollars)

dtpapa - 2021-09-04 18:15:00
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True, I guess, and to be fair on everyone, people should be free to make and sell $10 knock-offs of Waitangi crowns for those who don't want to fork out $7000 for the real thing.

translateltd - 2021-09-04 19:28:00
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translateltd wrote:

True, I guess, and to be fair on everyone, people should be free to make and sell $10 knock-offs of Waitangi crowns for those who don't want to fork out $7000 for the real thing.

well sort of, but I see it more like comparing a Dickens first edition with a modern reprint. The words are identical in both.

dtpapa - 2021-09-04 20:58:00
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but speaking of the Waitangi, I didn't really like the look the crown, or the halfcrown here (maybe the finger print is not so obvious in real life!)

https://noble.com.au/auctions/lot/?id=435671&i=1&ret
=1

dtpapa - 2021-09-04 21:01:00
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also this

https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-S4YVT/new-zeal
and-crown-1935-anacs-vf-20-details-damaged-cleaned

hard to understand how it could be subject to such wear (apparently).

But it's graded, so guess it's okay and not dodgy. Or is it?

dtpapa - 2021-09-04 21:04:00
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dtpapa wrote:

also this

https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-S4YVT/new-zeal
and-crown-1935-anacs-vf-20-details-damaged-cleaned

hard to understand how it could be subject to such wear (apparently).

But it's graded, so guess it's okay and not dodgy. Or is it?

American VF, clearly :-) Looks like it was polished by rubbing it against a stone.

translateltd - 2021-09-05 07:23:00
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dtpapa wrote:

well sort of, but I see it more like comparing a Dickens first edition with a modern reprint. The words are identical in both.

In all seriousness, though, Sutherland was working on an updated edition when he died in 1967, and someone else took the task over (1970s?) - but I can't remember who, or where, sadly. It was mentioned in the Journals somewhere. But the task was clearly never completed, and I wonder what happened to the papers.

translateltd - 2021-09-05 07:25:00
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dtpapa wrote:

It sells at noble for as little as $200.(is it in copyright, the NZ numismatic society should reprint it and sell for 40 or 50 dollars)

If he died in 1967 then it went out of copyright in NZ in 2017. But it would still be in copyright in a bunch of other countries until 2037 (most notably in Australia, the EU and USA).

justinian1 - 2021-09-05 08:30:00
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Years ago I got a copy of Sunderland's book through my local library at the time, They got it from Wellington from someplace that I have forgotten. Don't know if that still can happen as that was in the '70's

kiwialan - 2021-09-05 09:35:00
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The Sutherland book was also produced as separate subjects as well as the hard cover book. eg Paper Currency, Medals of NZ, Barter and currency etc. I have several examples of some and singles of others. Also some are a slightly different size than others,. Also have the hard cover book in my library.

nznotes - 2021-09-05 16:16:00
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if you live in one of the main centres I guess you could always visit your library and inspect a copy there. It's been a couple of decades since I last visited a library, I assume they still have photocopying machines or whatever the modern equivalent is?

Edited by dtpapa at 7:41 pm, Sun 5 Sep

dtpapa - 2021-09-05 19:40:00
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I reckon the Royal Numismatic Society of NZ need to pull their collective fingers out and give each member who joins a copy, especially since Sutherland is their founder. It's actually the least they should do. I'd probably even join myself if they did that.

dtpapa - 2021-09-05 19:46:00
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dtpapa wrote:

if you live in one of the main centres I guess you could always visit your library and inspect a copy there. It's been a couple of decades since I last visited a library, I assume they still have photocopying machines or whatever the modern equivalent is?

<Skin crawls at the thought of pressing a valuable book flat to photocopy/scan it ...> You could probably Interloan a copy if your local library doesn't have an example, in any case, as Alan suggested above.

translateltd - 2021-09-05 21:26:00
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translateltd wrote:

<Skin crawls at the thought of pressing a valuable book flat to photocopy/scan it ...>

I used to work at Auckland Libraries- we had a special scanner for digitising rare manuscripts. Had adjustable levels so it didn't put any pressure on the binding. You can get cheaper ones that would be ok too that scan from above.

enserf - 2021-09-06 11:00:00
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enserf wrote:

I used to work at Auckland Libraries- we had a special scanner for digitising rare manuscripts. Had adjustable levels so it didn't put any pressure on the binding. You can get cheaper ones that would be ok too that scan from above.

Handy to know - thanks!

translateltd - 2021-09-06 13:09:00
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Just dug up my foolscap copy of Sutherland that was copied at Canterbury University years ago. (It wasn't pressed flat). Later another coin book that I had 90% copied was taken off me with the photocopies before I had finished but the Library refunded my money for the copied pages. They later stung me a large overdue fine for a book on Roman coins that had not been lent out for over 30 years.
Jim Johnson had a copy of this book listed earlier this year. Don't think it sold. Where are you Moomoos?

alpha111 - 2021-09-06 14:29:00
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alpha111 wrote:

Just dug up my foolscap copy of Sutherland that was copied at Canterbury University years ago. (It wasn't pressed flat). Later another coin book that I had 90% copied was taken off me with the photocopies before I had finished but the Library refunded my money for the copied pages. They later stung me a large overdue fine for a book on Roman coins that had not been lent out for over 30 years.
Jim Johnson had a copy of this book listed earlier this year. Don't think it sold. Where are you Moomoos?

Wheeling and Dealing in retirement no doubt

gammoner - 2021-09-06 14:41:00
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alpha111 wrote:


Jim Johnson had a copy of this book listed earlier this year. Don't think it sold.

Book was last relisted just a couple of weeks ago.

translateltd - 2021-09-06 16:13:00
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Is there any easy way to get to read (preferably online) Sutherland's 'Numismatic History of NZ?. Don't really need my own copy as it is obviously not exactly up to date. Just thought it would be interesting to read to get some insights from back then.[/quote]

You could buy this copy 3251157482 It is a little bit PRICEY.

lester36 - 2021-09-06 19:30:00
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lester36 wrote:


You could buy this copy 3251157482 It is a little bit PRICEY.

Someone's going to do well out of that if it's been a library sell-off.

translateltd - 2021-09-06 19:54:00
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thanks Lester I've now read pages 220-221, lol

dtpapa - 2021-09-06 20:46:00
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Found list coin yesterday , Can anyone give me an aprox grade idea.

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1607338756.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1607338722.jpg
Looking in my red book I get around EF 40 any thoughts ?

Edited by lester36 at 9:08 am, Sun 12 Sep

lester36 - 2021-09-12 09:03:00
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The American Numismatic Association has a free Youtube video titled "UNDERSTANDING COIN GRADING — VIDEO VIGNETTES".

alpha111 - 2021-09-12 10:07:00
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Thanks Don I had a look at the grading video , Interesting.
It looks like it may be a higher grade than I thought.
Very nice find.

lester36 - 2021-09-12 10:48:00
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lester36 wrote:

Thanks Don I had a look at the grading video , Interesting.
It looks like it may be a higher grade than I thought.
Very nice find.

If you're thinking of selling to the American market then use their grades, which will probably be a half to a whole grade higher than UK/NZ standards. No point accidentally underselling!

translateltd - 2021-09-12 12:22:00
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"China's oldest currency discovered" Anthropologist Bill Maurer explains the significant of the recent discovery of the oldest known Chinese metal currency unearthed at the site of a foundary in the ancient city of Guanzhuang which was established about 800 BC. On Radio NZ on Nine to Noon this morning.

alpha111 - 2021-09-14 10:39:00
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alpha111 wrote:

"China-
9;s oldest currency discovered" Anthropologist Bill Maurer explains the significant of the recent discovery of the oldest known Chinese metal currency unearthed at the site of a foundary in the ancient city of Guanzhuang which was established about 800 BC. On Radio NZ on Nine to Noon this morning.

Cool - thanks again for this. I bought the book following the last coin-related broadcast.

translateltd - 2021-09-14 11:29:00
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Have a question. Not sure if this is the right place. I have found a $10 note in a box of books , looks brand new. With 'commemorating the new millenium' at the bottom. Number on it is Ab 000 ***** The number is between 40 and 50 thousand. Is it worth anything or shall I just go buy some chocolate with it lol.

booksnstuff - 2021-09-14 19:35:00
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$20 to $30 is an average these sell for normally

gammoner - 2021-09-14 20:04:00
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Bump

translateltd - 2021-09-21 06:46:00
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UK 1821 Sterling Silver Shilling VF Listing # 3270868941 Even Americans would be embarrassed by this grading.
Algerian Dinars 4 Banknotes Listing #3268268512 not even suitable for toilet paper.
Lucius Verus Denarius Listing # 3268935474 a real 'cracker' of a coin. One wouldn't want to drop it.

alpha111 - 2021-09-21 10:55:00
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alpha111 wrote:

UK 1821 Sterling Silver Shilling VF Listing # 3270868941 Even Americans would be embarrassed by this grading.
Lucius Verus Denarius Listing # 3268935474 a real 'cracker' of a coin. One wouldn't want to drop it.

Well, G and F are adjacent on the keyboard :-)
To be fair regarding the denarius, though, it's at least on a dollar start with no assertions regarding its quality. For a dollar or two I'd be happy with it, though it will be interesting to see how high it goes.

translateltd - 2021-09-21 12:10:00
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alpha111 wrote:

UK 1821 Sterling Silver Shilling VF Listing # 3270868941 Even Americans would be embarrassed by this grading.
Algerian Dinars 4 Banknotes Listing #3268268512 not even suitable for toilet paper.
Lucius Verus Denarius Listing # 3268935474 a real 'cracker' of a coin. One wouldn't want to drop it.

I think VF for the Sterling Silver Shilling is spot on . . . that's if VF means Virtually F***ed.

wasgonna - 2021-09-21 12:11:00
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