Windows 11 - just upgraded the laptop
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| 51 | I don't understand what you are talking about? A quick google search told me that Windows 10 required 20 GB, and Windows 11 required 64 GB. Above is just a copy and paste from the google search. 64 GB for W11 is way bigger than 20 GB for W10. If you have some more information which says otherwise, please post a link. tygertung - 2021-10-17 19:12:00 |
| 52 | No you don't because you looked at what you wanted to see. Read some usage reviews, not the MS blurb. Mes always piles on the lard in the form of services they want to push their users to, cortana springs to mind last time around, guess what everyone does? removes it. This time its MS teams, a bloated pig that wants to stay resident. Off it goes, along with the widgets hooked to MSN. This is what any sysadmin does and or any domestic user wanting to get the most out of their pc. They remove the shipped bloat. Guess what the MS spec is, its the bloated version. Edited by ronaldo8 at 7:22 pm, Sun 17 Oct ronaldo8 - 2021-10-17 19:15:00 |
| 53 | tygertung wrote:
well Windows 10 Now Requires a Minimum of 32GB Storage Space , so ya really need to keep upto date :) , it maybe even higher now that was 1903 version 30 April, 2019 Edited by docpc at 7:20 pm, Sun 17 Oct docpc - 2021-10-17 19:17:00 |
| 54 | in the grand scheme of things whether win 10/11 requires 32GB or 64GB minimum is meaningless and horribly inadequate... if you actually want a functioning system that you can use and allow windows updates to function properly, you need at least 128GB on any system... Edited by king1 at 7:37 pm, Sun 17 Oct king1 - 2021-10-17 19:36:00 |
| 55 | Disk usage is a ridiculous metric, I agree. ronaldo8 - 2021-10-17 19:40:00 |
| 56 | not sure what you can read into it or whether it proves anything or not, but the windows folder of windows 11 on my laptop is 21.4GB. The Windows.old folder for the old win 10 installation has a windows folder size of 23.6GB Memory usage on 11 idle and nothing but startups running is a little of 4GB , so pretty sure that is a bit higher than 10 was... Edited by king1 at 7:53 pm, Sun 17 Oct king1 - 2021-10-17 19:48:00 |
| 57 | king1 wrote:
I know I noticed the same thing, noticeably smaller footprint. It's the driver bundles I believe, although I could be wrong. Teams, what they are calling chat. its set as an auto run, bloat Edited by ronaldo8 at 7:55 pm, Sun 17 Oct ronaldo8 - 2021-10-17 19:54:00 |
| 58 | Ok I get it now. When one installs Windows 10, it will quickly increase in size to bigger than the Windows 11. Or are you saying, if one installs Windows 11 and then quickly removes all non essential components, it will be smaller than if you did the same on Windows 10, because, as you say "the footprint is smaller, both on disk and in memory usage." This is good news, maybe there is some hope for Windows after all. tygertung - 2021-10-17 22:12:00 |
| 59 | ronaldo8 wrote:
The average home user isn't going to remove anything. They wouldn't know how, or even that it was a possibility. tygertung - 2021-10-17 22:13:00 |
| 60 | tygertung wrote: your optimism and endorsement is just what Windows needs... albeit in a completely pointless and meaningless way. king1 - 2021-10-17 22:48:00 |
| 61 | king1 wrote: Isn't 4gb memory usage kinda high for idle. Or do you have some memory hungry start up apps running? muppet_slayer - 2021-10-18 08:29:00 |
| 62 | muppet_slayer wrote:
Windows tends to 'pre load' things into memory, (ram), that it thinks you'll be using soon. nice_lady - 2021-10-18 08:45:00 |
| 63 | muppet_slayer wrote: a few of the usual apps... but just checked it in safemode - 3.8GB... definitely all windows king1 - 2021-10-18 09:02:00 |
| 64 | I usually have between 4 and 5GB of ram "used" when my Windows boots. There are definitely ways that I could reduce that, but if you have the ram you may as well attempt to use it! cube_guy - 2021-10-18 09:05:00 |
| 65 | nice_lady wrote: Ahhh ok, that'll explain it then. Thanks. muppet_slayer - 2021-10-18 09:34:00 |
| 66 | cube_guy wrote: I have 32gb here. I think I have noticed the more ram you have the more ram that gets used, could be wrong though. muppet_slayer - 2021-10-18 09:36:00 |
| 67 | Windows 10 here 21H1. Just checked task manager and with just TM open memory usage is at 12% and looking down the list, quite a few things use the ram. Firefox was at 513 mb's, the rest was spread across quite a few other tasks. Edited by muppet_slayer at 9:43 am, Mon 18 Oct muppet_slayer - 2021-10-18 09:40:00 |
| 68 | Does anyone know how long windows 10 is going to be supported? I've only just got used to 10 and now they want to push 11 onto us. I quite like 10 and would like to stick with it for a while. muppet_slayer - 2021-10-18 09:55:00 |
| 69 | muppet_slayer wrote:
Yeah same, 32GB here too. cube_guy - 2021-10-18 10:15:00 |
| 70 | muppet_slayer wrote:
Pretty sure support is until 2025 with W10. cube_guy - 2021-10-18 10:16:00 |
| 71 | cube_guy wrote: Hmmmm thanks, so we have a few years, that's good I guess. muppet_slayer - 2021-10-18 10:19:00 |
| 72 | tygertung wrote:
In your opinion ronaldo8 - 2021-10-18 11:10:00 |
| 73 | You can install Windows 11 on an older machine no problem, but you must install a SSD for it to be usable, otherwise every programme crashes constantly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rDJyMXbPdE I don't know how long the SSD would last though being hammered so hard by /swap. tygertung - 2021-10-18 15:25:00 |
| 74 | tygertung wrote:
Yes of course you'd buy an ssd before upgrading from a dinosaur with 1gb of ram... Better budget double because the psu is going to have dry caps in it as well. No problem you say. Well, not unless you don't count never getting any update or security patch. Jebus wept. Edited by ronaldo8 at 4:15 pm, Mon 18 Oct ronaldo8 - 2021-10-18 16:13:00 |
| 75 | ronaldo8 wrote:
Well that's all very well for you to say, but I don't expect a new operating system to be designed for ancient hardware. Well, not a proprietary operating system anyway. If one insists on using ancient hardware, one would be advised to look to other non-proprietary operating systems. tygertung - 2021-10-18 19:58:00 |
| 76 | if it's that old I would just ditch it king1 - 2021-10-18 20:07:00 |
| 77 | tygertung wrote:
I think it's a completely stupid idea, it was you that posted the video of an installation on a computer from the ark. That thing is going to be a turd no matter what you install on it, even a barebones headless install of arch. You and you fanboisesque linux worship, it's tedious. "Well, not a proprietary operating system anyway." Try running a 5 series kernel on that potato, see how far you get. Edited by ronaldo8 at 8:18 pm, Mon 18 Oct ronaldo8 - 2021-10-18 20:12:00 |
| 78 | tygertung wrote:
So why bother posting the video? cube_guy - 2021-10-18 20:18:00 |
| 79 | Near as i can tell it was a hopeful springboard to wank on about linux again. ronaldo8 - 2021-10-18 20:19:00 |
| 80 | ronaldo8 wrote:
Why not FreeBSD? tygertung - 2021-10-18 20:27:00 |
| 81 | cube_guy wrote:
The video was quite interesting. Maybe I will try again to get the AMD Duron 700 machine going again tonight. tygertung - 2021-10-18 20:28:00 |
| 82 | So I can put Windows ME on it. tygertung - 2021-10-18 20:28:00 |
| 83 | tygertung wrote:
What about it? You want to get 13 going on a lemon like that be my guest. "Support for certain hardware features such as sound, graphics, wireless, and power management may vary depending on the specific hardware devices in use." ronaldo8 - 2021-10-18 20:40:00 |
| 84 | ronaldo8 wrote:
Look, this thread is about Windows 11, please stay on topic. tygertung - 2021-10-18 21:01:00 |
| 85 | tygertung wrote: in three of your last four posts you mention Now, what were we saying about staying on topic? king1 - 2021-10-18 21:10:00 |
| 86 | tygertung wrote:
It wasn't. The dude put a modern operating system on crap hardware. How shocking that it wouldn't work properly. You answer to it was get an SSD. So the moral of the story, put a modern operating system on modern hardware. A 5 year old could have told you that. cube_guy - 2021-10-18 22:49:00 |
| 87 | cube_guy wrote:
The chap in the video put an SSD on it and the performance increased, however I am unsure of the longevity as the /swap space is getting hammered so hard. What I am trying to say is that one shouldn't expect the developers to design their operating systems for ancient hardware. This goes for paid operating systems. Free and open source operating systems are a different matter, but that isn't what is being discussed here. If you want to run Windows 11, you will need to buy a new or near new computer. Don't expect to run it on some ancient thing from 10 years ago. tygertung - 2021-10-18 23:46:00 |
| 88 | king1 wrote:
My point is one shouldn't expect some ancient piece of vintage computing hardware to run W11 well or at all. Each new operating system out will want to use the greater computing power available on the modern hardware. I am not sure why you are trying to argue otherwise. tygertung - 2021-10-18 23:49:00 |
| 89 | ronaldo8 wrote:
Why do you keep bringing up Linux? What is your obsession with it? tygertung - 2021-10-18 23:51:00 |
| 90 | tygertung wrote: lol I wasn't aware I was arguing a point? you're just making sh*t up now... Edited by king1 at 12:10 am, Tue 19 Oct king1 - 2021-10-19 00:10:00 |
| 91 | tygertung wrote:
And there is it. The fanbois pitch. " Free and open source operating systems are a different matter" Your entire angle this whole time. It's so predictable it's sad. As I already said, try running a 15 series kernel on that piece of crap in your video and let's see how much works. Lots of fun trying to get sound gfx and wifi modules that compile let alone work, yay! ronaldo8 - 2021-10-19 00:29:00 |
| 92 | Tiger tail, watch him run, around and around and around. Edited by ronaldo8 at 1:16 am, Tue 19 Oct ronaldo8 - 2021-10-19 01:16:00 |
| 93 | ronaldo8 wrote:
What do you mean by 15 series kernel please? And there is no point telling me to run anything on the machine in the video. I don't have it. Do you have anything useful to say, or just nasty comments? Edited by tygertung at 8:38 am, Tue 19 Oct tygertung - 2021-10-19 08:36:00 |
| 94 | tygertung wrote:
No one is even TRYING to have this argument with you, you seem to have it in your head that someone is. It is not rocket science or even a slightly outrageous thing to say that a modern operating system will take advantage of modern hardware - it absolutely should and I wouldn't call it some crazy "design philosophy" by Microsoft. I'll ask again though, where is anyone saying anything to the contrary? cube_guy - 2021-10-19 09:04:00 |
| 95 | Has anyone tested a modified install of Windows 11 on a system that does not meet the hardware specifications to see if Updates happen? My system does have the required Safe Boot and TPM hardware - I did not know that. olack - 2021-10-19 09:53:00 |
| 96 | tygertung wrote: The first comment on that thread was pinned by the poster and reads: "However, this is not the most ideal situation, and the system becomes far more usable (with the 5400 RPM drive) when the RAM is upgraded to 2GB, which I did in this followup video..." So the SSD lasted only until he found some more RAM, and then he pulled the SSD out because that was the most valuable component and he probably had a better use for it. Some people will assert you must have an SSD to run a modern OS properly, but if you don't have enough RAM to support the open applications (eg; hundreds of browser tabs) then the swap file writes will degrade the life of the SSD. gyrogearloose - 2021-10-19 10:05:00 |
| 97 | gyrogearloose wrote:
Thank you for your well considered response, which is in stark contrast to all of Ronaldo8's abusive personal attacks. tygertung - 2021-10-19 15:16:00 |
| 98 | tygertung wrote: lol, if you didn't make sh*t up and tell outright lies, you probably wouldn't attract the negative attention. and that's not to mention your incessant attempts to derail threads by making veiled plugs for your precious linux and veiled digs at anything windows... It gets a bit tedious after a while... Edited by king1 at 4:10 pm, Tue 19 Oct king1 - 2021-10-19 16:03:00 |
| 99 | tygertung wrote:
For a fan of non-proprietary operating systems, you sure don't seem to know much about them. https://9to5linux.com/linus-torvalds-announces-first-linux-5 ronaldo8 - 2021-10-19 16:25:00 |
| 100 | king1 wrote:
Please tell me more... What lies have I told? I'm not promoting anything or putting digs at anything. Am I abusing anyone? I use Windows operating systems all the time. They are good for certain applications. The newer ones run best on newer hardware. If one wants to use old dunga computers, they are probably not the best choice. Is that not true? tygertung - 2021-10-19 18:32:00 |
