king1 wrote:

because a few years back MS released a statement saying there will be no more new versions of Windows 10, only updates. But God forbid they changed their mind and now some precious pups are all up in arms by the about face, proof of impending doom etc... First world problems

https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-ve
rsion-of-windows

Ahhhh I see. Since when do business follow everything their executives have said? New employees come and go with new ideas about how things should be done. Personally I like the fact that they are making changes. It gets boring otherwise. Technically it is only an update anyway, an update to windows 11.

muppet_slayer - 2021-07-01 15:40:00

king1 wrote:

7 was pretty good, and 8 was a learning curve at best.

Yep, ME-dud, XP-good, Vista-dud, 7-better, 8-dud, 10-better, 11-???.

See the pattern?

tygertung - 2021-07-01 16:59:00

tygertung wrote:

Yep, ME-dud, XP-good, Vista-dud, 7-better, 8-dud, 10-better, 11-???.

See the pattern?

yep totally agree but doesn't really fit with your assertion that odd numbers are dud and even numbers are good. I guess you meant every other release is a dud.

king1 - 2021-07-01 17:34:00

tygertung wrote:

Win95 good, Win98 good, Win 2000 ok but not really a home Ed, ME hmmm, XP-good, Vista-dud, 7-better, 8-dud, 10-better, 11-???.

See the pattern?

I edited that for you............
I see 3 out of 9 not so good. 66% good aint too bad. Pattern ?

Edited by nice_lady at 6:52 pm, Thu 1 Jul

nice_lady - 2021-07-01 18:51:00

SO it looks like win11 wont even run on my 4790K!

Looks like you are going to need 8th gen or newer.
Way to go M$

nzoomed - 2021-07-03 11:18:00

king1 wrote:

yep totally agree but doesn't really fit with your assertion that odd numbers are dud and even numbers are good. I guess you meant every other release is a dud.

I agree too.
I found originally the pattern was odd numbers were better.
But then they jumped to 10 from 8 so its up in the air what 11 will be like!

nzoomed - 2021-07-03 11:19:00

nzoomed wrote:

SO it looks like win11 wont even run on my 4790K!

Looks like you are going to need 8th gen or newer.
Way to go M$

Realistically, regardless of performance you are running a CPU that is now 6 generations old. A lot has happened from a security standpoint since then.

Who knows, maybe the TPM rules will be relaxed by the time Windows 11 goes RTM.

Also, am using the Windows 11 beta now on my gaming PC, have not found a game that doesn't run that ran on Windows 10, and the middle start menu is not hard to use, or navigate. No issues so far.

cube_guy - 2021-07-03 14:50:00

I wonder how long windows 10 will get support for after 11 is released. Used to be 10 years, but the way thy've fudged builds into seperate 'releases' and notified people with older builds of 10 they wont be supported very long... who knows.

bitsnpieces2020 - 2021-07-03 15:18:00

They say October 2025 iirc.

cube_guy - 2021-07-03 15:22:00

tygertung wrote:

I doubt it will make life better for the user, it doesn't usually with Windows releases, especially as this is an odd release. Even ones tend to be better.

Broken and foolish pattern seeking behaviour.

ronaldo8 - 2021-07-03 18:32:00

cube_guy wrote:

Realistically, regardless of performance you are running a CPU that is now 6 generations old. A lot has happened from a security standpoint since then.

Who knows, maybe the TPM rules will be relaxed by the time Windows 11 goes RTM.

Also, am using the Windows 11 beta now on my gaming PC, have not found a game that doesn't run that ran on Windows 10, and the middle start menu is not hard to use, or navigate. No issues so far.

6 generations old and I built it new only 3 years ago!
Its nothing more than a delibrate move by M$ to force people to buy new hardware.
This thing is super fast and is a 4GHz, quad core CPU.
The irony is that win11 will run on a much slower new celeron chip.

Im pretty sure my motherboard has a TPM 2.0 chip anyway.
That doesnt have anything to even do with the CPU either.

Perhaps someone will make some sort of hacked edition to make win11 work on older chips? Who knows?

All these TPM features are nothing more than a way to give corporations control over your computer rather than any special security features.
I dont bother with secure boot or disk encryption.
Looks like they are trying to force it on to every user from what I can tell.

Who remembers when there was all the anti TCPA stuff going around back in 2003, well it looks like basically this is what all this is with the "fritz" chip (aka TPM)

bitsnpieces2020 wrote:

I wonder how long windows 10 will get support for after 11 is released. Used to be 10 years, but the way thy've fudged builds into seperate 'releases' and notified people with older builds of 10 they wont be supported very long... who knows.

Will either do two things, force everyone to dump perfectly good computers just to get on to win11, or else M$ backs down and allows win11 on older hardware.

From an environmental perspective, its not ideal.
May also help increase uptake on linux machines.
I think this is an excellent marketing opportunity for linux.

Edited by nzoomed at 11:06 am, Sun 4 Jul

nzoomed - 2021-07-04 11:04:00

You built it new 3 years ago? In 2018, the year that Intel officially discontinued the 6700K, and you would have had the option to build based around a current at the time CPU like the 8700K or 9700K? That's like buying a brand new Samsung S10 now and then complaining later that all the newer ones on the market are still receiving updates and support and yours isn't. You made the choice.

For the record as well, I never said I agreed with Microsoft not supporting CPUs that would on paper have no issues running Windows 11 and I do hope they change this policy.

cube_guy - 2021-07-04 13:32:00

Well I just upgraded to a i5-2310, and it runs lightning fast. So the 6700K should be much faster

tygertung - 2021-07-04 22:35:00

Much faster than lightning fast? *Mind blown*.

cube_guy - 2021-07-04 22:49:00

cube_guy wrote:

You built it new 3 years ago? In 2018, the year that Intel officially discontinued the 6700K, and you would have had the option to build based around a current at the time CPU like the 8700K or 9700K? That's like buying a brand new Samsung S10 now and then complaining later that all the newer ones on the market are still receiving updates and support and yours isn't. You made the choice.

For the record as well, I never said I agreed with Microsoft not supporting CPUs that would on paper have no issues running Windows 11 and I do hope they change this policy.

Well i did buy the last of that generation when they were having a clearout, but building a custom PC is not the same comparason as buying an old model smartphone that is only supported by the manufacturer and cant be upgraded.

I chose that chip because the newer intel CPUs at the time were having problems with their thin PCB bases bending as they had made them thinner for some silly reason.

nzoomed - 2021-07-05 14:12:00

Google "bent 6700K". A bucket-load of examples of this affecting that series of processor too unfortunately.

cube_guy - 2021-07-05 14:26:00

cube_guy wrote:

Google "bent 6700K". A bucket-load of examples of this affecting that series of processor too unfortunately.

Yup, and it was happening with the stock intel coolers too, and not just "aftermarket" ones like intel claimed.

Obviously they must have since corrected it and used a stronger material, because they still have the thin base, but doesnt appear to be a problem these days.

nzoomed - 2021-07-06 12:45:00