johnston wrote:

An argument could be mounted that it is the way it should be ie the freedom to contract without government interference.

Slumlords of the world unite?

headcat - 2021-05-09 20:12:00

hooserat wrote:

and you wonder why people are selling their rentals. The LL is actually giving you a roof yet. If you don't like it move out.

I'd bet the landlord is "GIVING" sfa.

headcat - 2021-05-09 20:16:00

headcat wrote:

Slumlords of the world unite?

Slum tenants of the world unite?

mulch_king - 2021-05-09 20:24:00

How much is the OP son paying in rent anyway?
Obviously the son is happy with the situation and at the same time the OP is happy with the rent.
If the son didnt want to rent the property 'as is'. He would have rented elsewhere, hes free to do so.

marte - 2021-05-09 20:34:00

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vintage_betty - 2021-05-09 20:36:00

kittycatkin wrote:

Then you can't see out. The thought of living in that sort of gloom is most unappealing; it wouldn't be worth it.

Bubble wrap lets plenty of light in.
I said "over most of the windows". How many windows do you want to look out of? I have about 180 separate panes (it's a colonial house)

trade4us2 - 2021-05-10 00:19:00

trade4us2 wrote:

Bubble wrap lets plenty of light in.
I said "over most of the windows". How many windows do you want to look out of? I have about 180 separate panes (it's a colonial house)

We did all the windows on the non sunny side of the holiday home.
Temps get down to -10 and it made a big difference.
I wasn't to proud to do it and it wasn't dark and gloomy as there was still a lot of light in those windows and the non treated as well.

bernie184 - 2021-05-10 07:46:00

Why don't they just pay more rent and get a nice new place?
Plenty around for $1,500+pw.
Grant Robertson says if you don't like high rents then just move.

pcle - 2021-05-10 07:57:00

At this stage the LL is intending to bulldozer the house down in approx a years time, so in the mean time is renting it out... I suspect if the tenant gets too pushy / "I'm off to the TT"... the LL will just decide to bulldoze earlier..
A part from the fact that the house does not strictly "met the rules" is there anything wrong with it that would mean that it is completely inhabitable, and they can not live there a minute longer ??

onl_148 - 2021-05-11 11:43:00

hooserat wrote:

and you wonder why people are selling their rentals. The LL is actually giving you a roof yet. If you don't like it move out.

yes. No none is forced to live in any flat

spead - 2021-05-26 21:35:00

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hooserat - 2021-05-27 18:33:00

hooserat wrote:

Dont need a consent to demolish a complete building like a free standing home.
Need a consent to demolish part of a building.

Yes you're quite right, I keep forgetting that.

sparkychap - 2021-05-27 19:07:00

hooserat wrote:

and you wonder why people are selling their rentals. The LL is actually giving you a roof yet. If you don't like it move out.

I'm disgusted by your comment & others, I moved into a rental 18/2//2021, my toilet has clear cellotape on both pipes, green & black mould is showing, the wastewater pipe for sink in bathroom is broken outside & there is clumps of black hair & debris from former tenants, all our spit etc gets deposited at the backdoor step between house & backsteps.
The guttering at backdoor is cracked,after heavy rain, water seeps thru wood at top of door inside.. The water fall from heavy rain deposits into the foul water drain which is directly under the steps.
The only other downpipe at front has a blocked drain, the end of pipe is rusted & all water is deposited under the deck & house.
All of the above reported & emails. sent to owner & repairman by property managers on the 23/2/21, after complaining jobs not done, meeting 30/5,
the repairman is coming at lunch time tomorrow to do some pipe work.
I discovered after looking under the house that the insulation doesn't look good, 5 pieces at least approx 5ft long hanging on the ground, pieces on the ground & stuck in clumps by nails, some exposed to the outside & blowing in the wind. But it's all good they told me, they have a certificate of compliance dated sep 2019, the product is Knauf & in their opinion the fibres are not harmful.
I cry every day, where do we go, there's no affordable housing.
So $uck your bloody attitude, we are all human and deserve better than that.

Edited by adnelg at 10:54 pm, Tue 1 Jun

adnelg - 2021-06-01 22:50:00

I bet more house owners live in worse houses than renters do.

marte - 2021-06-02 02:35:00

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gunna-1 - 2021-06-02 07:02:00

marte wrote:

I bet more house owners live in worse houses than renters do.

Absolutely so true. Mortgaged to the max with nothing left over to do vital R&M stuff such as replacing the repainted by rotting 60yr old roof ........... I am still aghast at the total lack of recognition by the powers that be, that roofs do not last forever, and no matter how much insulation you put in, how many 'glazings' the windows have, or if the bathroom has an extractor fan or not, the keeping warm issue won't go away if the roof isn't water tight.

Edited by brouser3 at 7:32 am, Wed 2 Jun

brouser3 - 2021-06-02 07:26:00

marte wrote:

I bet more house owners live in worse houses than renters do.

If this were true, then either it's their own fault through poor decision making or a deliberate strategy to minimize costs whilst awaiting that lovely tax free gain paid for by their tenants and crazy monetary policy.

After all its a free country, they are free to sell up and buy a decent house to live in.

Edited by sparkychap at 8:23 am, Wed 2 Jun

sparkychap - 2021-06-02 08:22:00

adnelg wrote:

I'm disgusted by your comment & others, I moved into a rental 18/2//2021, my toilet has clear cellotape on both pipes, green & black mould is showing, the wastewater pipe for sink in bathroom is broken outside & there is clumps of black hair & debris from former tenants, all our spit etc gets deposited at the backdoor step between house & backsteps.
The guttering at backdoor is cracked,after heavy rain, water seeps thru wood at top of door inside.. The water fall from heavy rain deposits into the foul water drain which is directly under the steps.
The only other downpipe at front has a blocked drain, the end of pipe is rusted & all water is deposited under the deck & house.
All of the above reported & emails. sent to owner & repairman by property managers on the 23/2/21, after complaining jobs not done, meeting 30/5,
the repairman is coming at lunch time tomorrow to do some pipe work.
I discovered after looking under the house that the insulation doesn't look good, 5 pieces at least approx 5ft long hanging on the ground, pieces on the ground & stuck in clumps by nails, some exposed to the outside & blowing in the wind. But it's all good they told me, they have a certificate of compliance dated sep 2019, the product is Knauf & in their opinion the fibres are not harmful.
I cry every day, where do we go, there's no affordable housing.
So $uck your bloody attitude, we are all human and deserve better than that.

I totally agree with you. I've been quiet (unusually, according to Mr SQ) throughout this thread but you're absolutely correct, you DO deserve better, and so does the OP's son and his family.

seaqueen - 2021-06-02 08:30:00

seaqueen wrote:

I totally agree with you. I've been quiet (unusually, according to Mr SQ) throughout this thread but you're absolutely correct, you DO deserve better, and so does the OP's son and his family.

Yes, the op's son who are expecting a baby & have mould issues etc, I feel for them, we are breathing foul air every minute everyday, because of the breaches re the downpipes, guttering. & unattached wastewater pipe & no repairs for years the whole house has an aroma, the ground under the house has years of oak leaf debris, inches & inches of it that the insulation is lying in, wet, smelly & coming thru holes in the house. This is only the tip of the iceberg at my rental. The op's sons worry about asking the landlord to fix his problems is warranted, the owners already know the state of their own rental & they rely on tenants to be too intimidated & scared to ask for repairs.
Anyway I am off to CAB now with all my horrific photos & paperwork.

adnelg - 2021-06-02 10:14:00

adnelg wrote:

I'm disgusted by your comment & others, I moved into a rental 18/2//2021, my toilet has clear cellotape on both pipes, green & black mould is showing, the wastewater pipe for sink in bathroom is broken outside & there is clumps of black hair & debris from former tenants, all our spit etc gets deposited at the backdoor step between house & backsteps.
The guttering at backdoor is cracked,after heavy rain, water seeps thru wood at top of door inside.. The water fall from heavy rain deposits into the foul water drain which is directly under the steps.
The only other downpipe at front has a blocked drain, the end of pipe is rusted & all water is deposited under the deck & house.
All of the above reported & emails. sent to owner & repairman by property managers on the 23/2/21, after complaining jobs not done, meeting 30/5,
the repairman is coming at lunch time tomorrow to do some pipe work.
I discovered after looking under the house that the insulation doesn't look good, 5 pieces at least approx 5ft long hanging on the ground, pieces on the ground & stuck in clumps by nails, some exposed to the outside & blowing in the wind. But it's all good they told me, they have a certificate of compliance dated sep 2019, the product is Knauf & in their opinion the fibres are not harmful.
I cry every day, where do we go, there's no affordable housing.
So $uck your bloody attitude, we are all human and deserve better than that.

I am sorry this has happened to you. Unfortunately SOME landlords seem to be of a rather unsympathetic and ruthless nature. It’s an attitude that seems to be unfortunately rather common these days.

Many seem to think they worked harder than everyone else, despite their obvious advantage of being born before all the unfortunate people who they rent ‘their houses’ to.

My only advice is get out of Auckland except that’s not even the answer these days. Rents are out of control everywhere.

Hope things get fixed and improve for you

lakeview3 - 2021-06-02 10:26:00

adnelg wrote:

Yes, the op's son who are expecting a baby & have mould issues etc, I feel for them, we are breathing foul air every minute everyday, because of the breaches re the downpipes, guttering. & unattached wastewater pipe & no repairs for years the whole house has an aroma, the ground under the house has years of oak leaf debris, inches & inches of it that the insulation is lying in, wet, smelly & coming thru holes in the house. This is only the tip of the iceberg at my rental. The op's sons worry about asking the landlord to fix his problems is warranted, the owners already know the state of their own rental & they rely on tenants to be too intimidated & scared to ask for repairs.
Anyway I am off to CAB now with all my horrific photos & paperwork.

all the best. And yes, many rentals are in an appalling state. There is one not far from me, cold as sin, most people only last 1 winter in there. Leaky roof. One room only accessible from the outside. Cracked glass. The landlord tried to sell it a while back but wanted the most astronomical amount of money so it didn’t sell. Instead he finally reroofed it, put some insulation in the ceiling himself and hiked the rent. Fortunately the people who are in there are quiet as the previous tenants have been a mixed bag.

Edited by lakeview3 at 10:30 am, Wed 2 Jun

lakeview3 - 2021-06-02 10:30:00

adnelg wrote:

Yes, the op's son who are expecting a baby & have mould issues etc, I feel for them, we are breathing foul air every minute everyday, because of the breaches re the downpipes, guttering. & unattached wastewater pipe & no repairs for years the whole house has an aroma, the ground under the house has years of oak leaf debris, inches & inches of it that the insulation is lying in, wet, smelly & coming thru holes in the house. This is only the tip of the iceberg at my rental. The op's sons worry about asking the landlord to fix his problems is warranted, the owners already know the state of their own rental & they rely on tenants to be too intimidated & scared to ask for repairs.
Anyway I am off to CAB now with all my horrific photos & paperwork.

Serously, if you haven't already, contact the local council.

shelleigh - 2021-06-02 13:59:00

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hooserat - 2021-06-02 14:14:00

Case in point

lakeview3 - 2021-06-02 14:30:00

hooserat wrote:

OMG my flat is bad,,JUST MOVE OUT.
You make the choice where you live and how much you can afford.. The landlord doesn't.
If you feel its poor condition go buy your own house and then you can pay more and fix everything yourself.
The OP has a roof because the landlord let them in even though its going to be demolished.
Yet you still want more.

Seriously, move to where, exactly? Do you honestly think most people choose to live in hovels? The fact is there is a dearth of good quality rentals - in fact, of rentals in general - in this country, as evidenced by the waiting list for state housing jumping from 6000 to 22000 over the last four years.

It's easy to be judgemental and even sanctimonious from the warmth of your own home but let's not forget, not everyone was born with the same advantages in life.

Decency costs nothing, nor does kindness and compassion.

seaqueen - 2021-06-02 17:05:00

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THE PROPERTY IN THE OP IS BEING OFFERED AT A LOWER RENT.

sparkychap - 2021-06-02 17:17:00

seaqueen wrote:

Seriously, move to where, exactly? Do you honestly think most people choose to live in hovels? The fact is there is a dearth of good quality rentals - in fact, of rentals in general - in this country, as evidenced by the waiting list for state housing jumping from 6000 to 22000 over the last four years.

It's easy to be judgemental and even sanctimonious from the warmth of your own home but let's not forget, not everyone was born with the same advantages in life.

Decency costs nothing, nor does kindness and compassion.

Agree completely SQ.
It's so sad that so many people, especially children, do not live in warm, dry homes.
And horrific that so many people are on that waiting list!
Governments need to get off their arses and do something constructive about our diabolical housing situation. Why can't they do something like these two proactive firms have done?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/latest/125293141/my
-whare-tiny-houses-for-homeless-teens-are-winners

And change the rules around tiny housing so they are the same right throughout the country so those who choose to live tiny can do so without worrying about the council finding out. I'd love to have a tiny home once I'm an empty nester.

Edited by beaniesnz at 6:13 pm, Wed 2 Jun

beaniesnz - 2021-06-02 18:13:00

seaqueen wrote:

Seriously, move to where, exactly? Do you honestly think most people choose to live in hovels? The fact is there is a dearth of good quality rentals - in fact, of rentals in general - in this country, as evidenced by the waiting list for state housing jumping from 6000 to 22000 over the last four years.

It's easy to be judgemental and even sanctimonious from the warmth of your own home but let's not forget, not everyone was born with the same advantages in life.

Decency costs nothing, nor does kindness and compassion.

well said

lakeview3 - 2021-06-02 18:23:00

beaniesnz wrote:

Agree completely SQ.
It's so sad that so many people, especially children, do not live in warm, dry homes.
And horrific that so many people are on that waiting list!
Governments need to get off their arses and do something constructive about our diabolical housing situation. Why can't they do something like these two proactive firms have done?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/latest/125293141/my
-whare-tiny-houses-for-homeless-teens-are-winners

And change the rules around tiny housing so they are the same right throughout the country so those who choose to live tiny can do so without worrying about the council finding out. I'd love to have a tiny home once I'm an empty nester.

I reckon. I am sick of waiting for action on housing. For goodness sake why aren’t we rolling out transportables by the dozen. Get the prisoners making them - whatever - just someone blimmen well DO IT!

Edited by lakeview3 at 6:24 pm, Wed 2 Jun

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hooserat - 2021-06-02 19:51:00

seaqueen wrote:

Seriously, move to where, exactly? Do you honestly think most people choose to live in hovels? The fact is there is a dearth of good quality rentals - in fact, of rentals in general - in this country, as evidenced by the waiting list for state housing jumping from 6000 to 22000 over the last four years.

It's easy to be judgemental and even sanctimonious from the warmth of your own home but let's not forget, not everyone was born with the same advantages in life.

Decency costs nothing, nor does kindness and compassion.

Whilst I don’t completely disagree with you there is a lot to be said for personal responsibility. Having a family is an expensive business, who owes you a house to live in at all, let alone one up to your standards. Maybe families ought to start taking more seriously their role in providing housing for their own, even if it means sharing.

heather902 - 2021-06-02 19:56:00

sparkychap wrote:

If this were true, then either it's their own fault through poor decision making or a deliberate strategy to minimize costs whilst awaiting that lovely tax free gain paid for by their tenants and crazy monetary policy.

After all its a free country, they are free to sell up and buy a decent house to live in.

No, a beneficiary in a rental simply gets their rent paid for by the Government.

A beneficiary in their own house has to pay out all maintenance out of their own pocket & only a small amount of this will get paid by the Government and thats only if they actually do, thats on top of rates, insurance, property maintenance, regional/water rates as well.
Theres no chance of replacing a roof, weather boards, foundations, interior, plumbing, power/water supply etc etc.

marte - 2021-06-02 21:02:00

marte wrote:

No, a beneficiary in a rental simply gets their rent paid for by the Government.

A beneficiary in their own house has to pay out all maintenance out of their own pocket & only a small amount of this will get paid by the Government and thats only if they actually do, thats on top of rates, insurance, property maintenance, regional/water rates as well.
Theres no chance of replacing a roof, weather boards, foundations, interior, plumbing, power/water supply etc etc.

And what has that to do with the price of fish?

sparkychap - 2021-06-02 21:48:00

Fortunately we have the official word from the Finance Minister - look elsewhere.

Meantime, tenants unhappy with their rentals may find the owner is keen to sell up or do a major renovation. But at least the tenants now have a better idea of what sort of place they want to live in next time.

artemis - 2021-06-03 06:06:00

sparkychap wrote:

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THE PROPERTY IN THE OP IS BEING OFFERED AT A LOWER RENT.

Caps lock on or are you shouting?

orphic1 - 2021-06-03 17:32:00

orphic1 wrote:

Caps lock on or are you shouting?

I thought it might be the only way to get people to stop making assumptions, on which they were assuming behavior.

Hope your paddocks are drying out.

sparkychap - 2021-06-03 17:36:00

lakeview3 wrote:

I reckon. I am sick of waiting for action on housing. For goodness sake why aren’t we rolling out transportables by the dozen. Get the prisoners making them - whatever - just someone blimmen well DO IT!

Actually that's not a bad idea, and when the villains get out of jail they will have some very useful skills and be much more employable. There could be an enterprise which specialises in employing ex-criminals in building work.

tygertung - 2021-06-04 11:11:00

lyma1 wrote:

Not that long ago you suppiled your own source of heating. Iinsulation, smoke alarms and extractor fans were either unheard of in homes, or in owner built homes only. And everyone survived healthily.

Seriously? this is the reason there are regulations and leglislation, because people died in house fires, many people were hospitalised becaused they lived in cold damp rentals.

michellew2k - 2021-06-04 12:48:00

michellew2k wrote:

.... many people were hospitalised becaused they lived in cold damp rentals.

You sure about that? Here is some data ....

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1904/S00240/rental-propert
y-child-hospitalisation-claim-contradicted.htm

artemis - 2021-06-04 13:30:00

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