So what should the Landlord charge? My daughter could rent a nicer room for $175 further out in the suburbs but then her petrol costs and travelling time rose significantly that the $200 room seemed better value.

heather902 - 2021-04-27 20:51:00

heather902 wrote:

So what should the Landlord charge? My daughter could rent a nicer room for $175 further out in the suburbs but then her petrol costs and travelling time rose significantly that the $200 room seemed better value.

I don’t know but I have lived in some student flats and the rent was always relative to what was on offer and we certainly weren’t being ripped off like these people are these days.

lakeview3 - 2021-04-27 20:54:00

tweake wrote:

yes, but there is trade offs. it depends on how much moisture is coming in from other things.
if you have a fairly dry house, extra ventilation doesn't do any more drying it just brings extra moisture in. if you have a fairly damp house then you need tons of ventilation to keep the house dry.
air tight house keeps a lot of outside moisture out and have enough ventilation to remove moisture brought in by the people.
i hope that makes sense.

and quite agree that some people do not know how to run a house.
this is why they need education, but also ventilation systems and cheap heating helps a lot.

What you say is partially tru
However we were in Central Otago a couple of weeks ago.
Nice warm dry place.
Single glazed windows.
The kid slept with his window and door shut.
Temp got down to .5 of a deg.
His windows were running with water in the morning.
All from breathing.
Husband and l in a room the same size, no moisture.
Reason? Window very slightly open.

Edited by bernie184 at 9:02 pm, Tue 27 Apr

bernie184 - 2021-04-27 21:00:00

bernie184 wrote:

What you say is partially tru
However we were in Central Otago a couple of weeks ago.
Nice warm dry place.
Single glazed windows.
The kid slept with his window and door shut.
Temp got down to .5 of a deg.
His windows were running with water in the morning.
All from breathing.
Husband and l in a room the same size, no moisture.
Reason? Window very slightly open.

yes people need security stays so they can safely leave windows open for ventilation if they have to be at work or uni each day.

lakeview3 - 2021-04-27 21:06:00

I don't understand why these people rent these houses, then complain about them? Oh, that's right, probably because it was CHEAP. Well, it certainly won't be after the LL has to do lots of work to it, then charge appropriate rent for it. So, will these students be able to afford to rent it after the LL has done all the work they want done to it? Likely not, then we will see an article about how there is no affordable housing left for students.

rhys12 - 2021-04-27 21:34:00

bernie184 wrote:

What you say is partially tru
However we were in Central Otago a couple of weeks ago.
Nice warm dry place.
Single glazed windows.
The kid slept with his window and door shut.
Temp got down to .5 of a deg.
His windows were running with water in the morning.
All from breathing.
Husband and l in a room the same size, no moisture.
Reason? Window very slightly open.

i know what your mean but thats not a good example.
your always going to get condensation on single glazed windows everywhere in nz, especially if outside is 0.5c and inside is warm, so the kids windows having condensation is not actually a problem. (despite the adverts on tv saying it is)
i'll bet the kids room is nice and warm and your freezing your butt off.

one way to not to get condensation is to drop the room temp down to outside temps by leaving windows open. the other is to ventilate with nice dry otago air and not humid/damp wellington air.
your in a completely different situation. most of nz is not as dry as central otago.

you should always have some ventilation. i prefer ventilation system so i don't have to leave windows open. there is a big difference between enough ventilation and excess ventilation especially in humid/damp areas like up north here or wellington.

tweake - 2021-04-27 22:47:00

tweake wrote:

i know what your mean but thats not a good example.
your always going to get condensation on single glazed windows everywhere in nz, especially if outside is 0.5c and inside is warm, so the kids windows having condensation is not actually a problem. (despite the adverts on tv saying it is)
i'll bet the kids room is nice and warm and your freezing your butt off.

one way to not to get condensation is to drop the room temp down to outside temps by leaving windows open. the other is to ventilate with nice dry otago air and not humid/damp wellington air.
your in a completely different situation. most of nz is not as dry as central otago.

you should always have some ventilation. i prefer ventilation system so i don't have to leave windows open. there is a big difference between enough ventilation and excess ventilation especially in humid/damp areas like up north here or wellington.

I get all that.
And we were far from cold as decent window coverings and bedding took care of that.
The point is, people make moisture just by breathing.
Add cooking, showering etc etc and there is a lot of moisture in any house.
If the people in the house do nothing to minimize thiss, then you get mold and other issues.

bernie184 - 2021-04-28 08:01:00

Yea tenants should stop breathing.

sparkychap - 2021-04-28 08:16:00

bernie184 wrote:

I get all that.
And we were far from cold as decent window coverings and bedding took care of that.
The point is, people make moisture just by breathing.
Add cooking, showering etc etc and there is a lot of moisture in any house.
If the people in the house do nothing to minimize thiss, then you get mold and other issues.

did you see my answer at 54? If only it were so easy for some people.....how are they supposed to ventilate a house they aren’t in all day????

lakeview3 - 2021-04-28 08:44:00

lakeview3 wrote:

did you see my answer at 54? If only it were so easy for some people.....how are they supposed to ventilate a house they aren’t in all day????

If it's a rental, they could ask the landlord to supply some window stays. They are or will be required anyway under the healthy rentals standards, and a cheap and easy fix. Don't ask, don't get.

artemis - 2021-04-28 08:55:00

bernie184 wrote:

I get all that.
And we were far from cold as decent window coverings and bedding took care of that.
The point is, people make moisture just by breathing.
Add cooking, showering etc etc and there is a lot of moisture in any house.
If the people in the house do nothing to minimize thiss, then you get mold and other issues.

trouble is there is more to it than that.

you need to get up to 85% humidity before mold starts being an issue.
last night outdoor air here was 95% humidity. inside 60%. however if inside temps drop to around 13 degrees you get 85% humidity.
yet outside all dew points are about the same ie the air outside is the same as inside the house. the only difference is the temp. its the temp which is keeping the humidity below mold levels.
trouble is if you have excessive ventilation, which removes heat, or poor heating (eg unheated spare room as per article), your going to get to mold growing humidity levels.
there is more to it, but just making the point the importance of heating and not loosing heat to excessive ventilation.

with the open window in the bedroom you can drop the room temp enough to make the humidity level rise into mold conditions.

tweake - 2021-04-28 09:48:00

lakeview3 wrote:

I don’t know but I have lived in some student flats and the rent was always relative to what was on offer and we certainly weren’t being ripped off like these people are these days.

I think you'll find that this rent is relative to what's on offer. The post above yours confirmed something cheaper further out of town that would then incur extra transport costs.

raewyn2 - 2021-04-28 10:08:00

A lot of Housing NZ houses/flats are old and have none or only minimal insulation and are cold and damp and wet and mouldy.

megan109 - 2021-04-28 13:35:00

artemis wrote:

If it's a rental, they could ask the landlord to supply some window stays. They are or will be required anyway under the healthy rentals standards, and a cheap and easy fix. Don't ask, don't get.

why do the landlords moan about lack of ventilation then. It’s a no brainer - if they want the house to be ventilated properly then put the blimmen security stays in already ????. Or are they just assuming that all their tenants are beneficiaries and are at home all day ????

lakeview3 - 2021-04-28 14:04:00

raewyn2 wrote:

I think you'll find that this rent is relative to what's on offer. The post above yours confirmed something cheaper further out of town that would then incur extra transport costs.

that’s rubbish, this case in point there is absolutely no justification for that rent. My daughter lives nearby in a superior but similar property and pays half of that. But then her landlord is obviously a decent person.

lakeview3 - 2021-04-28 14:06:00