| 51 | lovelurking wrote:
Yes, it must be true, I heard it on talk back radio one night when I couldn’t sleep...
The ideal place to build a server farm is in the Arctic, where you save on cooling costs. It also has the added benefit of keeping the polar bears cozy. (But they sometimes chew on the extension lead). apollo11 - 2021-03-28 13:47:00 |
| 52 | apollo11 wrote:
The ideal place to build a server farm is in the Arctic, where you save on cooling costs. It also has the added benefit of keeping the polar bears cozy. (But they sometimes chew on the extension lead). Most server farms are in the cloud where the moisture also provides cooling. No polar bears to worry about. Edited by sparkychap at 1:49 pm, Sun 28 Mar sparkychap - 2021-03-28 13:49:00 |
| 53 | apollo11 wrote:
I'm all for 'fair' free trade, ie where the other crowd aren't using slave labour. I'm with you there, was reading a concerning article this week about the number of big businesses connected to camps using Uyghur "forced labour". With most countries having Modern Slavery legislation, this shouldn't happen but sometimes its hard for companies to see the whole supply chain (and easier to be ignorant). https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale Edited by sparkychap at 1:54 pm, Sun 28 Mar sparkychap - 2021-03-28 13:53:00 |
| 54 | sparkychap wrote:
Most server farms are in the cloud where the moisture also provides cooling. No polar bears to worry about.
Bullshit. Condensation would destroy the electrons. The polar bears are only a problem if you don't have the technology to harness them. Giant hamster wheels have been a great success. apollo11 - 2021-03-28 13:55:00 |
| 55 | sparkychap wrote:
I'm with you there, was reading a concerning article this week about the number of big businesses connected to camps using Uyghur "forced labour". With most countries having Modern Slavery legislation, this shouldn't happen but sometimes its hard for companies to see the whole supply chain (and easier to be ignorant).
https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale
And Nike, who tried to get the kaibosh put on anti-slavery supply chain legislation in the US senate. Bunch of stinkers. apollo11 - 2021-03-28 14:00:00 |
| 56 | apollo11 wrote:
Bullshit. Condensation would destroy the electrons. The polar bears are only a problem if you don't have the technology to harness them. Giant hamster wheels have been a great success. Yip, they tried the hamster wheels in the cloud, but occasionally one would fall out. Made one helluva mess when they hit the earth. There was a guy on the talk back who threatened to sue Jeff Bezos. Jeff successfully defended by pointing out that it wasn't a Siberian hamster, it was a rat. sparkychap - 2021-03-28 14:03:00 |
| 57 | sparkychap wrote:
Most server farms are in the cloud where the moisture also provides cooling. No polar bears to worry about. LOL ! rojill - 2021-03-28 14:03:00 |
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| 59 | lakeview3 wrote:
is it? I didn’t read properly. Still it’s bad news though isn’t it. It’s all related to the timber processing industry. They make paper for one customer who takes approx 80% of their production.
That customer is the owner of the mill. Sounds like a plant down south that the govt keeps bailing out! But they sell the ore to NZ company at top prices, we smelt it on cheap electricity and then sell back to the owners other company at cheap rates.
With the govt injecting money to keep 1000 people in jobs! smallwoods - 2021-03-28 15:10:00 |
| 60 | lakeview3 wrote:
is it? I didn’t read properly. Still it’s bad news though isn’t it. It’s all related to the timber processing industry. But I can tell you there were 6 sawmill closures around NZ last year, although one converted to a framing mill. smallwoods - 2021-03-28 15:16:00 |
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| 62 | smallwoods wrote:
But I can tell you there were 6 sawmill closures around NZ last year, although one converted to a framing mill. so it’s a problem then lakeview3 - 2021-03-28 16:47:00 |
| 63 | kittycatkin wrote:
What is the You Tube man's name ? the uneducated economist, I think he’s actually a timber trader. He’s quite interesting. Lost everything in the 2008 crash and learnt by his mistakes. He just says what’s going on where he lives which is good to get a perspective from another part of the world. Edited by lakeview3 at 4:49 pm, Sun 28 Mar lakeview3 - 2021-03-28 16:47:00 |
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| 66 | kittycatkin wrote:
The news tonight made the obvious point that the lockdowns had meant delays in processing. I must confess that this hadn't occurred to me. I can't believe that logs would be sent to China when they are badly needed here, that's probably a red herring. Its the shipping of fish to China that was the red herring in this thread. sparkychap - 2021-03-28 20:20:00 |
| 67 | lakeview3 wrote:
seems that way doesn’t it? Why are we so weak and let them do it? So they have done it with milk powder, iron ore from aussie ??, steel, now wood......oh yes and aussie wine......
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| 68 | lakeview3 wrote:
so it’s a problem then
Two reasons.
Lack of supply at competitive prices
Lack of profit doing it at present pricing News flash, expect a fairly good sized price increase coming for all grades of timber.
25% talked about and up to 33% smallwoods - 2021-03-28 21:43:00 |
| 69 | Perhaps Jacinda could increase taxes on forestry and timber mills? That approach is the way to make housing cheaper after all. More tax on booze & smokes is need too - they’re far to pricey. pcle - 2021-03-28 21:49:00 |
| 70 | lakeview3 wrote:
so it’s a problem then CC looking into why a CHH doesn't want to sell to others?
Years ago when I laid a complaint against CHH/Carters, CC told me there were OTHER alternatives.
Well go figure, what's the difference NOW? smallwoods - 2021-03-29 22:40:00 |
| 71 | Timber prices have been shooting up for 6 months, deliveries slow.
Same with concrete, has anyone mentioned that? |
| 72 | masturbidder wrote:
Timber prices have been shooting up for 6 months, deliveries slow.
Same with concrete, has anyone mentioned that?
The quarry here (Higgins) is out of builder's mix, sand and some base courses. They are having to truck sand over the Rimutakas from Belmont quarry. Yes, I've seen the price of wood almost double over the last five years. apollo11 - 2021-03-30 09:34:00 |
| 73 | Will our glorious leaders be removing interest deduction from those greedy timber merchant businesses? That should make timber cheaper... pcle - 2021-03-30 09:56:00 |
| 74 | Saw TV programme a couple of weeks back where house was bought from a factory in Poland and delivered to the site. Foundation was ready and the house was erected in 2 days! Factory could produce 1,400 houses in a year and had made about 7,000, with no two identical.
Cost might be similar but time-saving should make it practical to do in N.Z. amasser - 2021-03-30 10:24:00 |
| 75 | amasser wrote:
Saw TV programme a couple of weeks back where house was bought from a factory in Poland and delivered to the site. Foundation was ready and the house was erected in 2 days! Factory could produce 1,400 houses in a year and had made about 7,000, with no two identical.
Cost might be similar but time-saving should make it practical to do in N.Z.
Several have tried it and given up. The council consenting procedure in NZ means every building is individually designed and built.
It keeps a lot of office-wallahs in cushy jobs. pity about the effect on construction efficiency and house prices. |
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| 78 | kittycatkin wrote:
The lockdowns meant that work came to a standstill for months and they haven't been able to catch up. Sorry kittycatin, 5-6 weeks.
They HAVE caught up, just more orders keep coming in.
We have never been so busy.
Taken on extra staff and still turning away work.
Our costings are rising by 10-25%, which will be added to sales next month.
We lost a long term supply contract (18 yrs)late last year and by lunchtime we had filled the void twice over with 2 higher paying customers. smallwoods - 2021-03-30 12:57:00 |
| 79 | amasser wrote:
Saw TV programme a couple of weeks back where house was bought from a factory in Poland and delivered to the site. Foundation was ready and the house was erected in 2 days! Factory could produce 1,400 houses in a year and had made about 7,000, with no two identical.
Cost might be similar but time-saving should make it practical to do in N.Z. main problems with that is market size. there is a few companies in Europe who build those and they ship them all over the place. but their market is huge.
nz market is tiny so your going to struggle to get consistent orders. the other issue is kiwis expect custom built housing. we simply don't have the cookie cutter homes that overseas have. they have economies of scale, we don't. tweake - 2021-03-30 17:35:00 |
| 80 | masturbidder wrote:
Several have tried it and given up. The council consenting procedure in NZ means every building is individually designed and built.
It keeps a lot of office-wallahs in cushy jobs. pity about the effect on construction efficiency and house prices. Yes, I have been involved in teh desing of buildings for years, and recenly several prefab projects. The delays and red tape kill it, and you can't get the volume to overcome the consenting costs, which apply to each building.
I recenly had a project where there were 2 developments where the building was identical n each, designed and consnted in prallel. Coucnil and the other authorites were told this at the begining and suggested they process together as one. No, that was to smart for Auckland Coucnil. I worked out at th eend th esavings I had expected when I priced the job never eventuated, otehr than some comparitlvy minor cut and paste stuff. geoff_m - 2021-03-31 11:55:00 |
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| 83 | kittycatkin wrote:
With the Huntly firm, people can choose from various plans & colours, I don't know if they can change them. I wouldn't bother. The houses in some new estates look very similar; virtually identical. A friend who was house-sitting in Auckland got lost trying to find the one she was looking after as all the streets & houses in the subdivision look the same. I would have, too. didn’t the house sitting friend have Ethel in her phone to tell her how to get to the property? (Aka maps) I’ve lost my car in carparks occasionally. Lately I’ve lost it TWICE in the new Westfield in Newmarket. First time, I saw someone talking to a person in the ticket machine. So that’s how we found it. Was getting a bit desperate because you get 2 hours free with another 2 hours if you go to the movies. If you go over that you pay for the whole 4 hours. Had left over half an hour to get back to car but it was lost... I didn’t realise there were 2 separate carparks and the website didn’t show where you should park for the movies. Spoiler alert - you can park next to the movies. So we were in the other carpark. I’m one of those who does careful research but the website for that Westfield was useless when it first opened. I haven’t looked to see if it has improved. Second time, left the darling in the car, nipped in to Farmers. Took careful note of carpark colour. - green and level 3 - and shops as I walked into centre. Went back - no car. Rang up darling. No he hadn’t moved. Went back in, went up another short escalator level and there he was. Green 3 M Edited by princess52 at 12:22 pm, Wed 31 Mar princess52 - 2021-03-31 12:20:00 |
| 84 | tweake wrote:
main problems with that is market size. there is a few companies in Europe who build those and they ship them all over the place. but their market is huge.
nz market is tiny so your going to struggle to get consistent orders. the other issue is kiwis expect custom built housing. we simply don't have the cookie cutter homes that overseas have. they have economies of scale, we don't. Obviously you haven't looked at the new home options out there. We do have cookie cutter homes - lots of them. Maybe not in the area where you live, because you must live in either an up-market, an old-school or a very rural area. brouser3 - 2021-03-31 15:52:00 |
| 85 | There is a serious problem with the price of building a new house in NZ. What are the Aussies doing that we are not? https://developersites.com.au/abc/archie-14/?utm_source=REA&
amp;utm_medium=eDM&utm_campaign=lastchancegrant sr2 - 2021-03-31 17:34:00 |
| 86 | I'm guessing......
Economies of scale.
Different climate.
Less red tape(?).
Far greater room for expansion.
More competition. apollo11 - 2021-03-31 17:47:00 |
| 87 | sr2 wrote:
There is a serious problem with the price of building a new house in NZ. What are the Aussies doing that we are not? https://developersites.com.au/abc/archie-14/?utm_source=REA&
amp;utm_medium=eDM&utm_campaign=lastchancegrant well they have all our tradies for a start! lakeview3 - 2021-03-31 17:53:00 |
| 88 | brouser3 wrote:
Obviously you haven't looked at the new home options out there. We do have cookie cutter homes - lots of them. Maybe not in the area where you live, because you must live in either an up-market, an old-school or a very rural area.
not really.
nothing in the scale that pushes costs down.
btw i have worked on them before. even then a lot of them where semi custom. you can order this or that.
also the price range, overseas you get million dollar plus cookie cutter homes and EVERY THING is the same. none of this pick your colors, pick what kitchen etc. every single nail and screw is identical.
our sub divisions are small time in comparison. we are a tiny market. tweake - 2021-03-31 17:56:00 |
| 89 | lakeview3 wrote:
well they have all our tradies for a start! LOL, and buying NZ framing timber much cheaper than we can here! sr2 - 2021-03-31 18:03:00 |
| 90 | apollo11 wrote:
I'm guessing......
Economies of scale.
Different climate.
Less red tape(?).
Far greater room for expansion.
More competition.
But they don’t have Jacinda and her new taxes!
Oh, wait.., pcle - 2021-03-31 18:14:00 |
