| 51 | This message was deleted. gunna-1 - 2021-01-06 17:09:00 |
| 52 | gunna-1 wrote:
Scrapping trade tariffs literally decimated our manufacturing.
Free trade is absolutely essential- but it only works if it is between countries with similar environmental and employment policy. apollo11 - 2021-01-06 17:10:00 |
| 53 | This message was deleted. gunna-1 - 2021-01-06 17:10:00 |
| 54 | gunna-1 wrote:
Well slap some tariffs on em then.
How? We have a free trade agreement. They would eviscerate us at the WTO. Plus they take a really big chunk of our exports. apollo11 - 2021-01-06 17:12:00 |
| 55 | State house said it all. Each generation, well there ya go. No not for me, good work ethic, sensible outlook, wise decisions, easy really. Go forth. msigg - 2021-01-06 17:13:00 |
| 56 | gunna-1 wrote:
Free trade is a stuped idea..
Why? apollo11 - 2021-01-06 17:14:00 |
| 57 | This message was deleted. gunna-1 - 2021-01-06 17:16:00 |
| 58 | msigg wrote:
State house said it all. Each generation, well there ya go. No not for me, good work ethic, sensible outlook, wise decisions, easy really. Go forth.
Teach a man to fish etc etc. apollo11 - 2021-01-06 17:16:00 |
| 59 | The member deleted this message. gunna-1 - 2021-01-06 17:17:00 |
| 60 | gunna-1 wrote:
Like i said a mixed model of capitalism with a degree of socialism is the way to go, what it takes in the real world is for your parents to send you of to uni, if they cant then its the states job to provide given they meet the criteria.
True capitalism = 'equality of opportunity' ie everyone is given the same chance to work hard and better their lives.
Socialism = 'equality of outcome' ie everyone will be given what they need regardless of how hard they have worked.
Do you see the flaw in socialism? apollo11 - 2021-01-06 17:19:00 |
| 61 | gunna-1 wrote:
How do you propose we manufacture goods for allmost no labour costs then.
Did you not read what I wrote? Free trade works when it is between countries with similar employment and environmental standards, not with shit holes who use slave labour and don't care about pollution. apollo11 - 2021-01-06 17:21:00 |
| 62 | apollo11 wrote:
Government meddling in markets. Neo-liberal immigration policy. (Supply and demand). Government regulation. Globalist squeezing of labour markets. The answer is 'less' government.
Don't blame people for making the best of the situation they are in. You happily took the WFF cash even though you frowned on the policy, didn't you? If you'd had less kids, you'd be in a better position to support them, as we have been able to do. Best of a situation they are in or best of a situation that they benefited from and then ripped out from everyone else? As for the kids, I didn’t plan on having 3, but unfortunately my first marriage broke down and my second husband didn’t have any kids. It turned out to be a good thing, because I learnt not to be so smug as to think life just goes according to plan all the time and my short time on the DPB sure taught me what it was like to be judged by people making comments such as yours. lakeview3 - 2021-01-06 17:21:00 |
| 63 | On a woldwide range Apollo, I reckon we have the balance pretty good.. |
| 64 | lakeview3 wrote:
Best of a situation they are in or best of a situation that they benefited from and then ripped out from everyone else? As for the kids, I didn’t plan on having 3, but unfortunately my first marriage broke down and my second husband didn’t have any kids. It turned out to be a good thing, because I learnt not to be so smug as to think life just goes according to plan all the time and my short time on the DPB sure taught me what it was like to be judged by people making comments such as yours.
Do you even read the tripe that you write? You judge others ALL THE TIME. apollo11 - 2021-01-06 17:23:00 |
| 65 | apollo11 wrote:
Did you not read what I wrote? Free trade works when it is between countries with similar employment and environmental standards, not with shit holes who use slave labour and don't care about pollution. youve got that right. Now look what they have done to the rest of the world.....deskilled populations and turned our environments into similar sh1t holes just so they can feed their overpopulated masses. lakeview3 - 2021-01-06 17:23:00 |
| 66 | This message was deleted. gunna-1 - 2021-01-06 17:24:00 |
| 67 | apollo11 wrote:
Do you even read the tripe that you write? You judge others ALL THE TIME. do you even read what YOU write? some of it is just downright nasty. lakeview3 - 2021-01-06 17:24:00 |
| 68 | mechnificent wrote:
On a woldwide range Apollo, I reckon we have the balance pretty good..
Lakeview doesn't think so. apollo11 - 2021-01-06 17:25:00 |
| 69 | artemis wrote:
A vacancy tax would be a new tax. Apparently we have been promised no new taxes by this government so if the promise is kept this could well be a policy going in to the 2023 election. Plus a CGT policy if we have a change of Prime Minister before then.. Meantime I am sure officials have been asked to work out the costs and benefits so the politicians can work out impact on votes. Revenue from the Vancouver tax is not that great, which may be why the rate is being tripled this year. Believe there was a fair bit of Chinese money parked in empty Vancouver property, and noted that Vancouver population is half the size of our whole country. It's reduced the number of vacant homes in the Vancouver metro region by 25% since 2017. The tax is also being used to fund hundreds of "affordable" homes. Sounds like a win win, returning homes to the rental market and funding new housing. kestrel43 - 2021-01-06 17:26:00 |
| 70 | lakeview3 wrote:
do you even read what YOU write? some of it is just downright nasty.
Because I get sick of you writing the exact same thing day in and day out, blame the old folks, government needs to fix it, society needs to give my kids a cheap house etc. Blame government for your problems, they created the policies you don't like. apollo11 - 2021-01-06 17:29:00 |
| 71 | This message was deleted. gunna-1 - 2021-01-06 17:34:00 |
| 72 | apollo11 wrote:
Because I get sick of you writing the exact same thing day in and day out, blame the old folks, government needs to fix it, society needs to give my kids a cheap house etc. Blame government for your problems, they created the policies you don't like. I don’t ‘blame the old folks’ or want society to give my kids anything. I have bought them all up to be honest hard working trustworthy and decent people. I just want the same opportunities for my kids that many of us have had. If I had even remotely thought all that things were going to get so bad I never would even have had kids. I have voted for people in the past who promised things and then didn’t live up to them and that goes from both sides of the political fence. I don’t like it when they fail to live up to their promises. This govt is currently in the last chance saloon as far as I am concerned and if they don’t do something drastic to address the GROSSLY unaffordable housing situation fast, then they won’t be getting the tick from me. However the light had also been shone on other parties too and they don’t look too flash either. lakeview3 - 2021-01-06 17:46:00 |
| 73 | mechnificent wrote:
Lol.. I've been wondering how we spell that...Chy-na. I needed that the other day in a yanky forum..Cheers. Problem s when you use that word, you sound like the Tangerine Cockwomble. sparkychap - 2021-01-06 17:50:00 |
| 74 | lakeview3 wrote:
It’s so ridiculous New Zealand has so much land, we grow wood ffs and yet houses cost so much. A house near me just sold for over $800, 000 and 10 years earlier was just over $400,000 with no improvements. The section originally cost just over $40,000. Madness.
Early 80's was offered a 3br house in a good area of Frankton/ Hamilton for $25K
Was leaving town due to other issues so couldn't take up the offer.
That place today, untouched is rated over 600k mrfxit - 2021-01-06 17:50:00 |
| 75 | mrfxit wrote:
Early 80's was offered a 3br house in a good area of Frankton/ Hamilton for $25K
Was leaving town due to other issues so couldn't take up the offer.
That place today, untouched is rated over 600k Shocking, however the good news is that 3 br house will soon be gone and replaced by a block of 12 units. kestrel43 - 2021-01-06 18:00:00 |
| 76 | lakeview3 wrote:
....I just want the same opportunities for my kids that many of us have had. If I had even remotely thought all that things were going to get so bad I never would even have had kids. .... Wow. You wouldn't have had kids if you knew there was a chance they wouldn't be able to afford to buy a house. What a totally screwed up value system. I'm all for home ownership and I absolutely hope my kids are able to experience owning their own home one day, but there are many, many valuable and beautiful experiences that I believe are open to them regardless, and I also believe they will greatly contribute to our society when they are fully hatched. I'm ecstatic I chose to have them no matter what their personal balance sheet is when they depart this earth. I don't know whether I'm appalled or saddened by how you value 'life', I think it's actually both. One hopes you've never told your kids you measure the worth of their existence in financial increments. desi1969 - 2021-01-06 18:06:00 |
| 77 | desi1969 wrote:
Wow. You wouldn't have had kids if you knew there was a chance they wouldn't be able to afford to buy a house. What a totally screwed up value system. I'm all for home ownership and I absolutely hope my kids are able to experience owning their own home one day, but there are many, many valuable and beautiful experiences that I believe are open to them regardless, and I also believe they will greatly contribute to our society when they are fully hatched. I'm ecstatic I chose to have them no matter what their personal balance sheet is when they depart this earth. I don't know whether I'm appalled or saddened by how you value 'life', I think it's actually both. One hopes you've never told your kids you measure the worth of their existence in financial increments. the screwed up value system is giving people who benefited most from past social policy money they don’t need at the end of their life while making people at the start of their lives pay for themselves AND those people who don’t need help. That’s what’s screwed up. lakeview3 - 2021-01-06 18:10:00 |
| 78 | apollo11 wrote:
Did you not read what I wrote? Free trade works when it is between countries with similar employment and environmental standards, not with shit holes who use slave labour and don't care about pollution. Whilst I agree there is also the Kiwi 'bang for buck' attitude so if similar products are for sale, generally the cheapest gets bought and the buyer doesn't give a toss where is was made or by whom. Just sayin. jeffqv - 2021-01-06 18:34:00 |
| 79 | lakeview3 wrote:
I don’t ‘blame the old folks’ or want society to give my kids anything. I have bought them all up to be honest hard working trustworthy and decent people. I just want the same opportunities for my kids that many of us have had. If I had even remotely thought all that things were going to get so bad I never would even have had kids. I have voted for people in the past who promised things and then didn’t live up to them and that goes from both sides of the political fence. I don’t like it when they fail to live up to their promises. This govt is currently in the last chance saloon as far as I am concerned and if they don’t do something drastic to address the GROSSLY unaffordable housing situation fast, then they won’t be getting the tick from me. However the light had also been shone on other parties too and they don’t look too flash either. Two things.
My kids are battling through to get on the property ladder. They are working and aren't having kids they can't afford and then bleating that the guvmint isn't giving them a house that they deserve.
Maybe because Our family doesn't look to the government to make our path in life easy things seem more achievable? You work with the conditions you find yourself in in history. Wouldn't you say for the last 100 years life has never been easier? heather902 - 2021-01-06 18:35:00 |
| 80 | jeffqv wrote:
Whilst I agree there is also the Kiwi 'bang for buck' attitude so if similar products are for sale, generally the cheapest gets bought and the buyer doesn't give a toss where is was made or by whom. Just sayin.
I know, that doesn't negate what I said, Jeff. apollo11 - 2021-01-06 18:42:00 |
| 81 | heather902 wrote:
Two things.
My kids are battling through to get on the property ladder. They are working and aren't having kids they can't afford and then bleating that the guvmint isn't giving them a house that they deserve.
Maybe because Our family doesn't look to the government to make our path in life easy things seem more achievable? You work with the conditions you find yourself in in history. Wouldn't you say for the last 100 years life has never been easier? speak for yourself - and easier for who? I have no doubt some things are a lot easier than in 1920....lol, but I wasn’t talking about then was I? I don’t call buying a $1 million dollar house shared with another couple a good idea or affordable, and potentially the whole arrangement is fraught with potential problems as they will no doubt find out - but that’s just my opinion. Furthermore if your kids don’t have kids then who will provide the services and tax dollars for their old age and retirement? lakeview3 - 2021-01-06 18:46:00 |
| 82 | lakeview3 wrote:
speak for yourself - and easier for who? I have no doubt some things are a lot easier than in 1920....lol, but I wasn’t talking about then was I? I don’t call buying a $1 million dollar house shared with another couple a good idea or affordable, and potentially the whole arrangement is fraught with potential problems as they will no doubt find out - but that’s just my opinion. Furthermore if your kids don’t have kids then who will provide the services and tax dollars for their old age and retirement? Fortunately they have been able to afford professional opinion and advice on house sharing. (nb neither couple could afford to buy without the income of boarders) and all seem like people playing the long game. I'm sure they will have kids when they are ready and can afford, considering my Son is 23, it's a bit early on to be worrying about that. heather902 - 2021-01-06 18:50:00 |
| 83 | lakeview3 wrote:
....I just want the same opportunities for my kids that many of us have had. If I had even remotely thought all that things were going to get so bad I never would even have had kids. .... And what do your kids think? Do they also wish they'd never been born? sparkychap - 2021-01-06 18:52:00 |
| 84 | sparkychap wrote:
And what do your kids think? Do they also wish they'd never been born? I never said I regretted having them. I just said that I wouldn’t have had any had I known the S**t show this country and world has turned into. Big difference. lakeview3 - 2021-01-06 18:55:00 |
| 85 | sparkychap wrote:
And what do your kids think? Do they also wish they'd never been born?
The greatest choice you can make in life is.......... apollo11 - 2021-01-06 18:55:00 |
| 86 | lakeview3 wrote:
I never said I regretted having them. I just said that I wouldn’t have had any had I known the S**t show this country and world has turned into. Big difference.
I don't understand, do you not understand how lucky we are in this country? apollo11 - 2021-01-06 18:56:00 |
| 87 | heather902 wrote:
Fortunately they have been able to afford professional opinion and advice on house sharing. (nb neither couple could afford to buy without the income of boarders) and all seem like people playing the long game. I'm sure they will have kids when they are ready and can afford, considering my Son is 23, it's a bit early on to be worrying about that. personally if I was starting out again and for $500,000 I would have been moving south rather than sharing with anyone. But that’s just me. Young people with no kids can live anywhere. lakeview3 - 2021-01-06 18:57:00 |
| 88 | apollo11 wrote:
The greatest choice you can make in life is.......... Scotch or beer. sparkychap - 2021-01-06 18:58:00 |
| 89 | apollo11 wrote:
I don't understand, do you not understand how lucky we are in this country? I do understand how lucky some of us are. Don’t you understand that a lot of people aren’t as lucky as you or I? Still, if the young ones are going to be shafted by the older generations then what better country to be shafted in right? lakeview3 - 2021-01-06 18:59:00 |
| 90 | lakeview3 wrote:
I do understand how lucky some of us are. Don’t you understand that a lot of people aren’t as lucky as you or I? Still, if the young ones are going to be shafted by the older generations then what better country to be shafted in right?
Do you think future generations will feel that you shafted them? apollo11 - 2021-01-06 19:02:00 |
| 91 | apollo11 wrote:
Do you think future generations will feel that you shafted them? probably not me personally, but my wider demographic probably, and I would agree with them too because they would be right. lakeview3 - 2021-01-06 19:06:00 |
| 92 | lakeview3 wrote:
personally if I was starting out again and for $500,000 I would have been moving south rather than sharing with anyone. But that’s just me. Young people with no kids can live anywhere. reading between the lines here, are you really wanting th govt to adopt policies that penalise investors for the sake of second time round home owners? maybe relationship splits etc heather902 - 2021-01-06 19:14:00 |
| 93 | lakeview3 wrote:
I never said I regretted having them. I just said that I wouldn’t have had any had I known the S**t show this country and world has turned into. Big difference. Well at least we agree on one thing .... I too feel sorry for your kids. desi1969 - 2021-01-06 19:17:00 |
| 94 | lakeview3 wrote:
probably not me personally, but my wider demographic probably, and I would agree with them too because they would be right.
Why blame the people? Blame the politicians, blame the banksters, blame the ultra- rich. Normal people have very little power to change anything, only make the best of the situation they are given. And if the only issue your kids have is 'can't afford a house', then they are lucky. apollo11 - 2021-01-06 19:21:00 |
| 95 | desi1969 wrote:
Well at least we agree on one thing .... I too feel sorry for your kids. lol ok lakeview3 - 2021-01-06 19:24:00 |
| 96 | apollo11 wrote:
Why blame the people? Blame the politicians, blame the banksters, blame the ultra- rich. Normal people have very little power to change anything, only make the best of the situation they are given. And if the only issue your kids have is 'can't afford a house', then they are lucky. it’s not just my kids I worry about. I do worry about others. As I have said before if we marginalise a whole lot of people there will be a detrimental social impact. Anyhoo....I am off for a bit to enjoy the now finally cooling evening. This weather is WAY a too hot for me. lakeview3 - 2021-01-06 19:26:00 |
| 97 | heather902 wrote:
reading between the lines here, are you really wanting th govt to adopt policies that penalise investors for the sake of second time round home owners? maybe relationship splits etc well people with relationship splits should be still able to afford something in the market don’t you agree? A bit like in 2000 when I was able to purchase my own house? I would have struggled to buy in Auckland by myself , it’s why I moved. Edited by lakeview3 at 7:29 pm, Wed 6 Jan lakeview3 - 2021-01-06 19:28:00 |
| 98 | lakeview3 wrote:
I never said I regretted having them. I just said that I wouldn’t have had any had I known the S**t show this country and world has turned into. Big difference. No it's not. What do they think of you constantly telling strangers on a message board that you wouldn't have given life to them? Just for the sake of owning a house? Edited by sparkychap at 7:33 pm, Wed 6 Jan sparkychap - 2021-01-06 19:32:00 |
| 99 | I'm just glad I've got enough for my sons to live here.. They'd be struggling with rent otherwise.. It means I can't sell, and so I suppose that makes me financially tied and poor.. but I feel rich . |
| 100 | lakeview3 wrote:
well people with relationship splits should be still able to afford something in the market don’t you agree? A bit like in 2000 when I was able to purchase my own house? I would have struggled to buy in Auckland by myself , it’s why I moved. No I don't agree they should be able to, same market as unencumbered first home buyers. heather902 - 2021-01-06 19:44:00 |
