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What can be bought for $300,000

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A nice front door and letter box.

megan109 - 2020-12-03 22:20:00
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We recently bought our 3.6 hectare two bedroom house 15 mins from Kaitaia for $350k.

taintedkitten - 2020-12-04 10:14:00
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When converted garages in Martinborough are selling for $595k, I'd say not much can be bought for $300k.

apollo11 - 2020-12-04 15:39:00
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apollo11 wrote:

When converted garages in Martinborough are selling for $595k, I'd say not much can be bought for $300k.

Yes i saw that in the Paper absolutely crazy 25m tiny house converted garage and its on 447 sqm section. I have a relocatable house 160 sqm on 6400 sqm in Featherston. Of course the seller isnt complaining..

Edited by swinn123 at 7:49 pm, Fri 4 Dec

swinn123 - 2020-12-04 19:48:00
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apollo11 wrote:

When converted garages in Martinborough are selling for $595k, I'd say not much can be bought for $300k.

I was going to mention that too. Crazy. My back section must be worth a bit now, we are in Martinborough too.

annie17111 - 2020-12-04 19:55:00
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Front section house in Invercargill, 3 bedroom, needs upgrade $160,000

This is the house that somebody I know bought one morning, as the estate agent was putting up the for sale sign, because when returning from a all night party, it was far easier/cheaper & more convenient than facing the Missus with a hangover...

marte - 2020-12-05 17:46:00
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Ha! Two years ago I talked to this guy, who was wanting to sell it for $50k 'as is' then, & helped him start fixing it & cleaning up around it so he could sell it for more.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/property/residential/sale/southl
and/invercargill/georgetown/listing/2857057908

Meanwhile my property's council valuation nearly doubled too.

marte - 2020-12-05 18:02:00
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Not much on offer in the north Island any more for under 300K or even 400K.

Let’s face it. The housing market in New Zealand is officially broken. The older generation has robbed the younger generations of their future and they don’t even care (as can be demonstrated by the comments on this MB over the years) Shame on all those people and shame on successive governments for kicking the can down the road, allowing mass immigration and refusing to address the issues which they all KNOW about. Every single government since 1984 has got blood on their hands. But no, they are too busy building their own personal property portfolios and giving themselves honours to actually give a toss about the irreparable damage done to society and communities and to the burden they have inflicted on their own children and grandchildren.

The current govt better come out in the new year with all guns blazing (figure of speech) and an actual plan to attack the housing crisis and if it were me I would start at passing policies that force people to part with their multiple houses.

1/empty house tax
2/ foreign owners tax
3/income tested pensions (they do it in Australia so why not here?)
4/commercial rates for air bnbs

Then we need to release land, cut subdivision costs for large sections and get some rectangle box simple transportable homes onto some new subdivisions SPECIFICALLY for first home New Zealand resident buyers. All local councils need a ROCKET up their backsides and stop wasting rates on festivals and landscaping. Get the infrastructure DONE.

New Zealand has done it before with less population and we can do it again.

Edited by lakeview3 at 6:15 pm, Sat 5 Dec

lakeview3 - 2020-12-05 18:12:00
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Breaking news.....first home buyer manages to buy a house.....

lakeview3 - 2020-12-05 18:42:00
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There are too many people and too few houses. We need to punish those people who have had too many kids by taxing them a heap of dosh. How many kids do you have, lakeview? Getting any Working for Families handouts?

apollo11 - 2020-12-05 18:43:00
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Bernard sums it up....

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/300175287/
how-past-generations-pulled-up-the-property-ladder-on-todays
-youth

lakeview3 - 2020-12-05 18:44:00
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apollo11 wrote:

There are too many people and too few houses. We need to punish those people who have had too many kids by taxing them a heap of dosh. How many kids do you have, lakeview? Getting any Working for Families handouts?

how about you refrain from personal remarks.

I don’t disagree that some people are having too many kids who have no means to afford to pay for them. If I had my way we would pay people to get sterilised. However regardless of that our immigration rate is too high and too many older New Zealanders own more houses than they need to live in.

I have said it before and I will say it again, had I known what a s*** show the housing market has turned into I would never have even had kids. Back when I was growing up we knew that if we worked hard we too could afford a house without getting help from anyone else. Not so anymore. Basically unless you want to live next door to a gang or unless your parents are rich you’re toast. Doomed to line someone else’s pocket and live every day at their whim. Not a good situation to bring a family up in. I won’t be sorry if my kids don’t have any children. They can have all my money when I go and go out with a bang. No pressure from me to have grandchildren. Who wants to bring a child into this messed up world anyway?

lakeview3 - 2020-12-05 18:54:00
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Bwaa, you are so easy.

apollo11 - 2020-12-05 18:55:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

Breaking news.....first home buyer manages to buy a house.....

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/430938/first-home-buyers
-hit-record-high-in-market-share-corelogic-report

sparkychap - 2020-12-05 18:57:00
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apollo11 wrote:

Bwaa, you are so easy.

why don’t you stick to discussing the content of the thread?

lakeview3 - 2020-12-05 19:04:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

why don’t you stick to discussing the content of the thread?


Why don't you? Or would you rather just bleat the same stuff you always do about baby boomers?

apollo11 - 2020-12-05 19:12:00
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apollo11 wrote:


Why don't you? Or would you rather just bleat the same stuff you always do about baby boomers?

did you bother reading Bernards article?

If something is true why deny it?

lakeview3 - 2020-12-05 19:14:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

did you bother reading Bernards article?

If something is true why deny it?


What have I denied? Is there something wrong with you?

apollo11 - 2020-12-05 19:17:00
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apollo11 wrote:


What have I denied? Is there something wrong with you?

what’s your problem? Discuss the topic or go take out your anger on someone else. I am not interested.

Edited by lakeview3 at 7:19 pm, Sat 5 Dec

lakeview3 - 2020-12-05 19:19:00
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And as a boomer, l am sick of being blamed for all the current ills. What about a bit of perspective.
We are now part of the global community, which means a lot of changes. Jobs going overseas, kiwis travelling and working away, foreigners coming here for work, computerisation. People want to buy cheap, so jobs in NZ go. That is the way the world is, not just NZ.
What about the study that shows that Millennials will hold five times as much wealth as they have today and the group is anticipated to inherit over $68 trillion from their Baby Boomer parents by the year 2030. This will represent one of the greatest wealth transfers in the modern times.Oct 26, 2019

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2019/10/26/millennial
s-will-become-richest-generation-in-american-history-as-baby
-boomers-transfer-over-their-wealth/?sh=2ea210ee6c4b

Admittedly this is America - but it will be mirrored here.
l could also quote another study that showed how retirees are struggling to retire as they still have a mortgage and can't pay that off on the pension, or they may have helped their children into a house and don't have enough to retire on as a result. There are often reasons behind decisions that we have no idea about.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/03/elderly-k
iwis-struggling-to-pay-off-mortgage-before-retirement.html

So how about we can the judgemental criticisms and accept that it is hard but people need to make their own way - whether they are boomers or millenials or all those in between.

margie05 - 2020-12-05 19:42:00
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...looks like trademe took the ballgag back off someone and they have erupted lolol...????

theguyz1 - 2020-12-05 19:45:00
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margie05 wrote:

And as a boomer, l am sick of being blamed for all the current ills. What about a bit of perspective.
We are now part of the global community, which means a lot of changes. Jobs going overseas, kiwis travelling and working away, foreigners coming here for work, computerisation. People want to buy cheap, so jobs in NZ go. That is the way the world is, not just NZ.
What about the study that shows that Millennials will hold five times as much wealth as they have today and the group is anticipated to inherit over $68 trillion from their Baby Boomer parents by the year 2030. This will represent one of the greatest wealth transfers in the modern times.Oct 26, 2019

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2019/10/26/millennial
s-will-become-richest-generation-in-american-history-as-baby
-boomers-transfer-over-their-wealth/?sh=2ea210ee6c4b

Admittedly this is America - but it will be mirrored here.
l could also quote another study that showed how retirees are struggling to retire as they still have a mortgage and can't pay that off on the pension, or they may have helped their children into a house and don't have enough to retire on as a result. There are often reasons behind decisions that we have no idea about.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/03/elderly-k
iwis-struggling-to-pay-off-mortgage-before-retirement.html

So how about we can the judgemental criticisms and accept that it is hard but people need to make their own way - whether they are boomers or millenials or all those in between.

if someone who is now retired is struggling to pay off their mortgage that suggests to me they have made some unwise choices in their life, or lacked discipline.

Also it’s interesting you mention about inheritance, is that what it’s really come down to now? Wait for an inheritance? Good grief that’s really sad. Not to mention the numbers of retirees who have been suckered into those reverse mortgages. Good luck with inheritance on those ones.

I won’t be relying on getting anything from anyone and nor do I want to be beholden to anyone hanging something like that over my head. If that’s the way the world is going that’s really sad.

lakeview3 - 2020-12-05 19:52:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

what’s your problem? Discuss the topic or go take out your anger on someone else. I am not interested.

The title of this thread isn't 'why are houses so expensive?', so I suggest you toddle off and start your own angry little thread.

apollo11 - 2020-12-05 19:56:00
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Life is an intelligence test. Some do better than others.

apollo11 - 2020-12-05 19:57:00
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apollo11 wrote:

Life is an intelligence test. Some do better than others.

https://help.trademe.co.nz/hc/en-us/articles/360007001492

lakeview3 - 2020-12-05 20:01:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

if someone who is now retired is struggling to pay off their mortgage that suggests to me they have made some unwise choices in their life, or lacked discipline.

Also it’s interesting you mention about inheritance, is that what it’s really come down to now? Wait for an inheritance? Good grief that’s really sad. Not to mention the numbers of retirees who have been suckered into those reverse mortgages. Good luck with inheritance on those ones.

I won’t be relying on getting anything from anyone and nor do I want to be beholden to anyone hanging something like that over my head. If that’s the way the world is going that’s really sad.

Do you ever stop judging????

margie05 - 2020-12-05 20:30:00
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lakeview3 wrote:


Also it’s interesting you mention about inheritance, is that what it’s really come down to now? Wait for an inheritance? Good grief that’s really sad. Not to mention the numbers of retirees who have been suckered into those reverse mortgages. Good luck with inheritance on those ones.

Why shouldn't someone get a reverse mortgage for a new hip/knee or whatever helps to make their final years bearable? If, like you, people aren't waiting for an inheritance it won't make any difference how much their parents borrow against their house, it is theirs after all. $20-$25k won't cost much especially once capital gains are taken into account and they can pay it off if they want or even the interest part of the loan. Some elderly people don't have family so a reverse mortgage is ideal for them if funds are needed. They won't be allowed to go overboard with borrowing as the bank will limit it to a percentage of their property.

kacy5 - 2020-12-05 21:51:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

if someone who is now retired is struggling to pay off their mortgage that suggests to me they have made some unwise choices in their life, or lacked discipline.

I don't think chronic ill health, a terminal illness or the sickness/death of a spouse plus redundancies are unwise choices or lack of discipline at all and it can happen to the best of us.

kacy5 - 2020-12-05 22:00:00
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kacy5 wrote:

Why shouldn't someone get a reverse mortgage for a new hip/knee or whatever helps to make their final years bearable? If, like you, people aren't waiting for an inheritance it won't make any difference how much their parents borrow against their house, it is theirs after all. $20-$25k won't cost much especially once capital gains are taken into account and they can pay it off if they want or even the interest part of the loan. Some elderly people don't have family so a reverse mortgage is ideal for them if funds are needed. They won't be allowed to go overboard with borrowing as the bank will limit it to a percentage of their property.

they would be better off getting a personal loan. Those reverse mortgages are a trap. Many people end up losing most of their equity and living in a house that is owned and controlled by the bank. it’s their choice sure but just shows there is no ‘inheritance’ that will be going to their kids, which is what the poster above tried to say would happening. So much for the rich millennial story. Waiting around for their parents to pass away before they get a secure roof over their head? Sounds blimmen awful to me.

lakeview3 - 2020-12-05 22:02:00
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Anyone wanting the full low down on reverse mortgages:

https://www.interest.co.nz/personal-finance/101570/moneyhubs
-christopher-walsh-digs-deep-reverse-mortgages-what-they-are
-their

I guess if people don’t have kids they probably have nothing to lose, or if they didn’t care about leaving them an inheritance then it could be an option.

It would certainly be the last thing I would ever consider. I intend to leave my children as much as I can, after all, I decided to bring them into the world.

Edited by lakeview3 at 10:24 pm, Sat 5 Dec

lakeview3 - 2020-12-05 22:21:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

they would be better off getting a personal loan. Those reverse mortgages are a trap. Many people end up losing most of their equity and living in a house that is owned and controlled by the bank. it’s their choice sure but just shows there is no ‘inheritance’ that will be going to their kids, which is what the poster above tried to say would happening. So much for the rich millennial story. Waiting around for their parents to pass away before they get a secure roof over their head? Sounds blimmen awful to me.


Judgemental much?????

margie05 - 2020-12-05 23:21:00
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gunna-1 - 2020-12-06 12:28:00
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gunna-1 wrote:

Some of us arnt that lucky, our nanas house got sold and the cash meated out to holidays for everyone, i was so disgusted i didnt take a share in any of it, and this house will end up the same, on the flip side another family i know has trusts, they dumped all there money into property when the last recession hit, and there kid who didnt do well gets a house but under his old mans thumb and he is a real hard ass about everything, and the money from there house will be put aside for proper uses, it depends on what you are bourn into, i,me just glad when i face a ruthless time in the future i havent splurged on a holliday.........

You could have invested your share rather than refusing it.

johnston - 2020-12-06 12:40:00
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gunna-1 - 2020-12-06 13:59:00
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gunna-1 - 2020-12-06 14:23:00
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gunna-1 wrote:

Yea it aint the houses that are worth the money its the land they are on, i dont know what novelty liveing in a 500,000$ 1930s built two story earthquake hazard would be but i bet it would rub of rather shortly, we have overpriced towns, scares land, and buggered old houses worth half a million, how to fix it?.


It's not just the land, houses are expensive to build, and this lifts the prices of existing stock. Houses are twice the size they were in the 60's, more reinforcing steel in the foundations, more fixings, brackets, wiring, insulation, double cavity walls, double glazing etc. My house was built in the 1930's, primarily from green rough sawn native timbers. Framed up with 100mm nails, no brackets or stainless steel fasteners. A crew of three probably knocked it out in six months. The house next door is into it's second year of being built ( team of three or four and various sub-trades) and it will probably be finished around the end of 2021. And it's going to be a monstrous mono-pitch slab of a thing.

apollo11 - 2020-12-06 15:06:00
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Yes, homes do not have to have garages attached to them. Those old state homes were all about housing families. Not about housing cars. Builders are only interested in building for the wealthy. We need practical houses built for normal people just like back in the 50s.

kamo631 - 2020-12-06 15:51:00
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gunna-1 - 2020-12-06 16:10:00
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gunna-1 wrote:

We need to drive costs down so people can inherit these old houses, some of the three bedroom garaged places need to be affordable, both in price and rent, the market needs to have the stink kicked out of it so sellers and landlords arnt spoiled for choice anymore, #86 is probably right about new houses being built driveing up the price of the older ones, perhaps a tempory fix might be to start small pockets of kitset houses at a bargen rate to get people temporarily out of the market to cool it down, slash compliance costs, and start recycling timber of demolished dwellings to build houses out of the decent timber, the double glazed, double cavity wall pine built monstrosities will loose value after ten years or so, plus the amount of bureaucratic red tape to build them must be off the scales at the moment.

my parents once built a kitset home. It took 6 weeks to put it up. Admittedly some of the workmanship wasn’t that great, I should know coz I painted it inside and out! However it was all that was needed, 3 bedrooms, rectangle, open plan living. It was up on poles so later we put in a garage and another bedroom. It was about 1983, the section was 18K and the kitset was 13K and I think the build was 7K. I am sure there were a few other costs but you get the drift. Beautiful sea views as well.

Also it is rubbish to say the houses today are twice the size of houses in the 1960s. Sure some of the, are, but that’s because some people have some sick fixation that bigger is better.

My 1957 house was 175sqm. The 1960s house I grew up in was 190sqm. In my mind these were the perfect size. One was 3 bedroom and the other was 4 bedroom and a study.

The smaller houses were the 1940s state ones and later the Keith hay type rectangle boxes which were between 80-110sqm on average.

I have lived in a 265sqm house (too big) and the current one is 216sqm which is a pretty perfect size.

This country needs to go back to the rectangle box mass production of houses until we catch up. Release more land, and pull back immigration. Kiwis first home buyers first.

lakeview3 - 2020-12-06 16:32:00
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Just looked up the kitset home.....valued at 695K now and 79sqm!!!! Lol! What a rip- off!

lakeview3 - 2020-12-06 16:35:00
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aklreels wrote:

A one room apartment in Auckland.
An ex-rental house in Kaitaia, freehold section (needs repainting and other work).

Retirement village nearby - $670,000 for a right to occupy.


A house in Southland. Depending where in SOuthland, 2 houses.

lythande1 - 2020-12-06 17:45:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

they would be better off getting a personal loan. Those reverse mortgages are a trap. Many people end up losing most of their equity and living in a house that is owned and controlled by the bank. it’s their choice sure but just shows there is no ‘inheritance’ that will be going to their kids, which is what the poster above tried to say would happening. So much for the rich millennial story. Waiting around for their parents to pass away before they get a secure roof over their head? Sounds blimmen awful to me.

Why not get a reverse mortgage for the amount they want and still pay it off? At least if times get tough for a month or two it won't matter if a payment isn't made but try doing that with a personal loan and it's a different matter.

kacy5 - 2020-12-06 18:06:00
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lakeview3 wrote:


Also it is rubbish to say the houses today are twice the size of houses in the 1960s.


No. Average house in the '60's was 100-110 sqm. By 2010 (peak) it was 200 sqm. It has now dropped back to around 160 sqm. Don't assume that your anecdotal musings are facts.

apollo11 - 2020-12-06 18:06:00
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knocked this up myself in 3 weeks, two Nora B Mitre10 sheds joined together, all up $13000, 300 sq ft, and im an old pensioner with buggered knees. This is my retirement cottage.
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1447624981.jpg

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1447624724.jpg

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1447624538.jpg

mannix51 - 2020-12-06 18:16:00
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Finished today in fact

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1447643763.jpg

mannix51 - 2020-12-06 18:44:00
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/\ Nice! First place I thought of was Taylorville area.

marte - 2020-12-06 18:45:00
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mannix51 wrote:

Finished today in fact

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1447643763.jpg[
/quote]

Nice work, mate, happy retirement!

sparkychap - 2020-12-06 18:54:00
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marte wrote:

/\ Nice! First place I thought of was Taylorville area.


are you good or what??? Spot on.

mannix51 - 2020-12-06 19:09:00
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mannix51 wrote:

knocked this up myself in 3 weeks, two Nora B Mitre10 sheds joined together, all up $13000, 300 sq ft, and im an old pensioner with buggered knees. This is my retirement cottage.
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1447624981.jpg

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1447624724.jpg

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1447624538.jpg[
/quote]

That is Idyllic,such a beautiful spot. How are you taking care of cooking and sanitary matters?

Edited by heather902 at 7:32 pm, Sun 6 Dec

heather902 - 2020-12-06 19:31:00
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mannix51 wrote:

Finished today in fact

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1447643763.jpg[
/quote]

looks awesome but does it have council consent, insurance etc?

annie17111 - 2020-12-06 19:37:00
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