John Knox and Mary Morland
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| 51 | crab2 wrote:
lol This one has gone a bit beyond fun but at least I am making some progress today by knowing I have Williams siblings correct. So far I haven't found any off spring for them. Almost like they stayed spinsters and bachelors corogirl - 2019-03-04 14:29:00 |
| 52 | ok looks like that John needs to be dismissed crab2 - 2019-03-04 14:33:00 |
| 53 | Now it seems Ancestry is down. corogirl - 2019-03-04 14:35:00 |
| 54 | I've also got Find my past crab2 - 2019-03-04 14:46:00 |
| 55 | Thats the one I tried to search but don't have a sub corogirl - 2019-03-04 14:55:00 |
| 56 | And just to make things even more difficult I found a birth for a Mary Morland 12 th October 1809 to a James Morland and Mary Wilkinson. Same birthdate different year different parents. Must be related though I haven't gone down that track yet. corogirl - 2019-03-04 15:03:00 |
| 57 | John and Mary must've been very young to marry in 1826 crab2 - 2019-03-04 15:11:00 |
| 58 | think I have just found Mary's burial for you, she was listed in Low Fell in 1851 and this is part of the details for her....First name(s) Mary Burials ... Gateshead.....(death year) 1856... Mary Knox... (birth) abt 1803 ... (matches the house name) Low Fell Edited by crab2 at 3:28 pm, Mon 4 Mar crab2 - 2019-03-04 15:26:00 |
| 59 | may be John's burial.....Burials Castle Ward 1841 John Knox abt 1810 Crag Hall crab2 - 2019-03-04 15:40:00 |
| 60 | those 2 deaths were found on Durham records online crab2 - 2019-03-04 15:59:00 |
| 61 | I'm trying to catch up with this thread - a little confusing (lol) but is this your William Knox and Agnes McCord? h28skipper - 2019-03-04 16:54:00 |
| 62 | First name(s) John h28skipper - 2019-03-04 17:03:00 |
| 63 | it looks like it skipper crab2 - 2019-03-04 17:03:00 |
| 64 | 1901 Scotland Census h28skipper - 2019-03-04 17:15:00 |
| 65 | Thanks h28skipper, yes that's them and crab2 lead me to them back in about 2008. I made immediate progress and got to Williams father John and that's where I am stuck. Thanks crab2 that does look like Mary's death record corogirl - 2019-03-04 17:27:00 |
| 66 | Longshots . Could look for passenger arrivals between 1901 (Census) and 1915? Edited by h28skipper at 5:33 pm, Mon 4 Mar h28skipper - 2019-03-04 17:27:00 |
| 67 | corogirl wrote:
really was it that long ago lol crab2 - 2019-03-04 17:41:00 |
| 68 | h28skipper wrote:
Yes they went to Australia and my grandfather William followed a couple of years later. He met my Grandmother ( Janet Bruce) on the ship and they married in Merriwether, Newcastle Australia. Dunno how Agnes managed to bring those kids up on her own as her husband William died in that workhouse. The family story goes that she visited a 'Great House' and the boys were made to wait at the gate. When she returned she had money to go to Australia. corogirl - 2019-03-04 17:57:00 |
| 69 | crab2 wrote:
Yes it was lol at least that long ago. LOL Edited by corogirl at 5:57 pm, Mon 4 Mar corogirl - 2019-03-04 17:57:00 |
| 70 | corogirl wrote:
If that was them in the 1901 census, all the 'boys' were in their 20's and working as coal miner's, so presumably would be able to pay the fares. h28skipper - 2019-03-04 18:28:00 |
| 71 | Coro that Family Search link in my post #2 had a link to a family tree that had the parents of John on it. Were they incorrect. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/G9S4-HW Edited by nbrob at 8:58 pm, Mon 4 Mar nbrob - 2019-03-04 20:57:00 |
| 72 | nbrob wrote:
This is certainly the family my DNA matches to they had a son William b 1815 who went to Utah as a Morman and my DNA matches in America are his descendants. I tried using Peter and Dorothy as my Johns Parents and yes it does work nicely with the DNA matches. The problem is all the trees on Ancestry have Peters John born 1833, from memory and he married a Margaret Wanley ( not a single Wanley DNA match for me) so I had discounted it. Perhaps the American trees are incorrect but I am pretty sure they may have had a birth record for their John. I can't open Ancestry at the moment but I will revisit that scenario. There are no Peters or Dorothy's anywhere in my family either. corogirl - 2019-03-05 08:03:00 |
| 73 | have you tried looking for newspaper articles for information crab2 - 2019-03-05 13:33:00 |
| 74 | corogirl wrote:
I've just looked at the list of the children born to Peter and Dorothy and they have 2 John's born one in 1808 who died 1848 and the other 1809 and says Deceased, to see that makes me think that tree is not correct crab2 - 2019-03-05 13:41:00 |
| 75 | this is the death reported in the newspaper of William Knox born 1815 and died 1891...Newspaper Article https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/986900128.jpg Edited by crab2 at 1:48 pm, Tue 5 Mar crab2 - 2019-03-05 13:47:00 |
| 76 | crab2 wrote:
Yes I agree that tree is wrong. I am now pretty sure that their John born 1808 is my John. I tried that when I first got my DNA results but then found they had a john born 1833 married Margaret Wanley, so discounted it. I am going to check and double check every birth for Peter and Dorothy to be sure. People just add to trees without checking and I prefer to find the paper trail before adding of other trees. On My heritage my grandfather has mysteriously gained several non existant siblings. Very annoying for future researchers. corogirl - 2019-03-05 15:10:00 |
| 77 | it sure is which is why we always say check, check and double check and confirm with printout's (NZ) and Certificates (overseas) to make sure it is the correct person being added to the family tree crab2 - 2019-03-05 15:44:00 |
| 78 | Is this your John Knox and Mary Morland? John's occupation is Miller and they were married at St John 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription h28skipper - 2019-03-05 21:10:00 |
| 79 | Baptisms of two of the children Indexing Project (Batch) Number C01768-0 h28skipper - 2019-03-05 21:23:00 |
| 80 | h28skipper wrote:
yes it is I posted that on the 1st page and corogirl confirmed it as the father was a Miller crab2 - 2019-03-05 21:33:00 |
| 81 | crab2 wrote:
Oops! Thanks. h28skipper - 2019-03-05 21:46:00 |
| 82 | alll goood crab2 - 2019-03-05 21:47:00 |
| 83 | First William died Death KNOX, WILLIAM Age 0 h28skipper - 2019-03-05 21:50:00 |
| 84 | h28skipper wrote:
Well that changes everything. Now I need to find another birth. The date I have is specific 24 Dec 1841 and that's the record I can no longer find. I don't know how I got that date. Edited by corogirl at 7:59 am, Wed 6 Mar corogirl - 2019-03-06 07:58:00 |
| 85 | corogirl, can you check your facebook message request folder please, I think I have found you on there crab2 - 2019-03-06 08:24:00 |
| 86 | crab2 wrote:
No message there. Must have the wrong person. Not sure I want to put my facebook name up on here either. surname Shaw though Edited by corogirl at 8:37 am, Wed 6 Mar corogirl - 2019-03-06 08:36:00 |
| 87 | nbrob wrote:
I have just had another closer look at that tree and that lady who owns it is on my DNA matches, but on my Montgomery side. I sent her a message back in January ( message is on there too. She has pulled all the Knox stuff off my Ancestry tree when I originally had Peter Knox as Johns father. She is a very good researcher so I have no doubt she has it correct. She has a Morman background if not is still a Morman and they are passionate about getting the details correct. Our DNA match as I said is via my Montgomery line and My GG Grandmother was jane Montgomery it now appears that this lady Julie Turner has verified that Janes Brother was Robert Montgomery who went to Utah and became a Morman. So Janes daughter Agnes McCord ( my G grandmother) has married William Knox whose cousin William b 1815 was also a Morman. I wonder if Robert Montgomery and William knew each other prior to them going to Utah?? What a tangle our ancestors left for us to sort out lol. corogirl - 2019-03-06 09:14:00 |
| 88 | corogirl wrote:
No it doesn't really change everything. That first William died but John and Mary had another child they called William. Sorry I thought I had posted it along with the details of the death. h28skipper - 2019-03-06 10:35:00 |
| 89 | So my William was born in 1844 not 1841? corogirl - 2019-03-06 11:55:00 |
| 90 | corogirl wrote:
That's what it looks like. His older brother Wiliiam died as a baby and your William was named after him. h28skipper - 2019-03-06 12:26:00 |
| 91 | corogirl wrote:
I'm sure I have the right one, I don't expect you to put your name on here as one of the names in your friends is a male with knox as the surname...there is another folder in messenger called Message Request, it'll be in there Edited by crab2 at 1:13 pm, Wed 6 Mar crab2 - 2019-03-06 13:10:00 |
| 92 | crab2 wrote:
Got it. Didn't know about that folder. corogirl - 2019-03-06 17:41:00 |
| 93 | have replied to you crab2 - 2019-03-06 17:54:00 |
| 94 | No it can't be Peter as father, more likely they were brothers. If I put Peter as his Father there are no links then to my other DNA matches, some are closer than Peters son William. So back to the drawing board. I have found a group of Knox DNA men all born 1790's that my other matches lead back to but so far no common ancestor. I have found two William Knox deaths, both millers in that area, corogirl - 2019-03-10 10:31:00 |
| 95 | It's a will bond Such bonds thus protect the interests of creditors, legatees and the next of kin of the deceased. They were also a means of indemnifying the bishop and his officials from the consequences of any default or maladministration of the deceased's estate on the part of the executors or administrators. Curiously, the ecclesiastical jurisdiction being a spiritual one, the probate court had no power to enforce the financial penalty should a bondsman fail in any of the conditions of the bond. In such cases, and upon sufficient proof, the bond could be delivered out of the registry to an interested party so that an action in the bishop's name might be brought in the temporal courts. It is important to note, however, that executors and administrators were not personally liable for any bonds, contracts or debts entered into by the deceased during his lifetime: while such debts were always settled first, before payment of legacies or distribution to the next of kin could occur, they could only be settled in so far as the totality of the deceased's estate allowed. Edited by corogirl at 11:15 am, Sun 10 Mar corogirl - 2019-03-10 11:14:00 |
