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translateltd - 2020-06-03 13:50:00

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translateltd - 2020-06-03 13:51:00

callum.irvine wrote:

Unless you were sending cash or another prohibited item, NZPost does indeed have the obligation to recompense for an item that hasn't been delivered. Or are you saying that you had sent a cash payment to IRD, and NZPost paid out on that? I'm struggling to believe that. Perhaps if they had evidence of some kind that the item had been stolen by one of their workers they would come to the party then. If you sent a cheque then it's just a matter of cancelling and issuing another. Can't think of much else sent to IRD that would require a refund.

No, an ancient coin intended for me wound up deep within the bowels of the IRD instead - long story but confirmed. I never received it and the carrier acknowledged its error.
And as for prohibited items, it's naïve in the extreme on the part of the postal authorities to class virtually all valuables as "prohibited" - what's the point of using a courier service except to send something valuable?

translateltd - 2020-06-03 13:52:00

I've used NZPost for trading online for over 23 years now. And even before joining eBay regularly send parcels oversea by NZPost and very rarely did anything get lost or damaged. But one time I used a courier for a parcel to the USA and quess what? Sent tracked at a cost of $225.00 it got as far as Houston and disappeared of the Radar. So I put a claim in and it took over 7 months to be paid out. The few times that NZPost had to pay out it usually turned up within a couple of weeks!

kiwialan - 2020-06-03 16:07:00

Banknote question there's a lot of reproduction notes and even reproduction of specimen notes for sale on eBay. Will that spell the end of banknote collecting. Even current notes reproduced thought that was illegal?

35 - 2020-06-04 16:25:00

35 wrote:

Banknote question there's a lot of reproduction notes and even reproduction of specimen notes for sale on eBay. Will that spell the end of banknote collecting. Even current notes reproduced thought that was illegal?

I don't know about the end, but it will probably put a few people off, just as the steadily improving quality of Chinese copies of coins will impact on the level of faith we have in anything really being what it purports to be.

translateltd - 2020-06-04 21:16:00

35 wrote:

Will that spell the end of banknote collecting. Even current notes reproduced thought that was illegal?

It can be dangerous. And can spell an end (a life). After all the noise faded remember.... Officer Lane holstered his gun, ordered Floyd out of the car and handcuffed him. He then explained to Floyd that he was arresting him for "passing counterfeit currency".

alpha111 - 2020-06-06 10:58:00

Is there ever a 'Coin Fair' in NZ ? Preferably Auckland ....

funho1 - 2020-06-08 10:47:00

funho1 wrote:

Is there ever a 'Coin Fair' in NZ ? Preferably Auckland ....

They do happen, but not sure of regularity or scheduling. For AK, best talk to the Num. Soc. of Auckland and see what they can advise. All being well, there'll be one at the Numismatic Conference in Wgtn in October.

translateltd - 2020-06-08 10:54:00

here's a question for the experts in here,

if I had 1945 penny and 1945 burnished penny both fresh from the mint, comparing them they would both be the some copper red colour, but the normal one would be shiny while the variety would be less shiny due to its matte finish, is this correct?

the examples of the variety for sale on trademe are toned, to various degrees (is that correct?). If it is, then how do the experts differentiate between the normal and variety penny? Is it a general hunch based on overall appearance, or are there particular properties that they look for in order to determine if it's the variety?

dtpapa - 2020-06-10 07:27:00

dtpapa wrote:

here's a question for the experts in here,

if I had 1945 penny and 1945 burnished penny both fresh from the mint, comparing them they would both be the some copper red colour, but the normal one would be shiny while the variety would be less shiny due to its matte finish, is this correct?

the examples of the variety for sale on trademe are toned, to various degrees (is that correct?). If it is, then how do the experts differentiate between the normal and variety penny? Is it a general hunch based on overall appearance, or are there particular properties that they look for in order to determine if it's the variety?

I don't profess to be an expert on these, but I was shown a top grade example a few months ago which was basically as you describe - dark tone rather than shiny new lustre. They tend to get streaky with use/wear, which makes them stand out more. 1944-46 British pennies were treated the same way, but I don't think there are any known exceptions so they don't tend to make a fuss of them the way we do with the two 1945 varieties. I just checked the 2020 COIN Yearbook and the 44-46 coins are marked "Mint Dark", with no other explanation.
I presume - without checking the actual formula - that the process was the same as was used on farthings from around 1897 to 1917 to stop new ones being passed off as half-sovereigns.

translateltd - 2020-06-10 08:53:00

Numismatic news in case you missed it!
https://www.pcgs.com/news/pcgs-certifies-rare-1933-new-zeala
nd-pattern

I wonder if this is the one that sold at noble for 38 grand in 2012?

dtpapa - 2020-06-11 08:32:00

Nil to report - just keeping the page current ...

translateltd - 2020-06-18 10:06:00

There seems to something funny going on with nz coins on ebay a lot with rainbow toning on coins, to me does not seem normal. Any thoughts?

35 - 2020-06-18 19:59:00

35 wrote:

There seems to something funny going on with nz coins on ebay a lot with rainbow toning on coins, to me does not seem normal. Any thoughts?

I had a 1935 shilling with quite spectacular rainbow toning that I think was natural. I know some American collectors go crazy for that kind of thing so I put it on the e-place at a $1 start ... and got $1.50 for it. I did know an American collector who claimed to have "recipes" for different chemicals you could use to generate all kinds of toning effects, but how well they work, and how widely they're used, is something I simply don't know :-)

translateltd - 2020-06-18 21:15:00

Listing #: 2668130162 "Old 1707 Prussia/German?? coin in used condition."
Didn't a whole pile of these crude objects come onto the market at the turn of this century?

alpha111 - 2020-06-19 19:32:00

alpha111 wrote:

Listing #: 2668130162 "Old 1707 Prussia/German?? coin in used condition."
Didn't a whole pile of these crude objects come onto the market at the turn of this century?

"Shanghai Specials", all of them, including the copy of the NZ 1977 dollar.

translateltd - 2020-06-19 20:07:00

2670361311

Not surprised the seller has more than one on offer - 80 million isn't exactly a low mintage.

translateltd - 2020-06-21 12:32:00

translateltd wrote:

2670361311-

Not surprised the seller has more than one on offer - 80 million isn't exactly a low mintage.

Well , sellers error coin 2666870455 sure must have needed the die to have further work done on it before these were minted

gammoner - 2020-06-21 16:04:00

gammoner wrote:

Well , sellers error coin 2666870455 sure must have needed the die to have further work done on it before these were minted

We'll need to contact the cataloguers and get the definition of "cud" updated, clearly.

translateltd - 2020-06-22 06:41:00

Give a little page for Peter Eccles

gammoner - 2020-06-22 21:17:00

gammoner wrote:

Give a little page for Peter Eccles

Interesting article

kiwialan - 2020-06-23 13:48:00

Has anybody signed up for the free ANA webinars? Regrettably the ones on grading and the detection of counterfeits which would benefit so many coin sellers on Trade Me are already full.

alpha111 - 2020-06-24 19:58:00

alpha111 wrote:

Has anybody signed up for the free ANA webinars? Regrettably the ones on grading and the detection of counterfeits which would benefit so many coin sellers on Trade Me are already full.

Blast, I just spotted the email from a fortnight ago in my inbox ... would have been good to attend, especially without the need to travel!

translateltd - 2020-06-25 06:04:00

alpha111 wrote:

Has anybody signed up for the free ANA webinars? Regrettably the ones on grading and the detection of counterfeits which would benefit so many coin sellers on Trade Me are already full.

Response from ANA:
We are planning to hold grading 101 again in the fall. All of the courses will be recorded and put on our website.

(I suspect there aren't many ANA members among the most egregious offenders on TM, though ...)

translateltd - 2020-06-26 06:14:00

The customary bump after a quiet week to keep the group visible ...

translateltd - 2020-07-03 21:01:00

Oh Dear. Ignorance is not always bliss.
1823 George IV coin Listing #: 2685338702 Final bid $64.00

alpha111 - 2020-07-10 17:30:00

alpha111 wrote:

Oh Dear. Ignorance is not always bliss.
1823 George IV coin Listing #: 2685338702 Final bid $64.00

only 1 bid?

35 - 2020-07-10 19:00:00

For those of us who do not collect UK coins, what is it ? a bronze sovereign ?

funho1 - 2020-07-10 21:11:00

funho1 wrote:

For those of us who do not collect UK coins, what is it ? a bronze sovereign ?

There are "jeweller's copies" of the 1823 double sovereign around, and others that are just plain imitations of varying quality. I'd guess it's one of those, and probably brass.

translateltd - 2020-07-11 06:14:00

As another example of do some people know what they are doing we have : Listing #: 2697274304 ELIZABETH 'CHURCHILL' CROWN 1965 Current bid $10.00 Shipping From $8.50 . So a bargain at $18.50? And yet one of the "twins" has it all up for $4.80 in Listing #: 2692342942.

alpha111 - 2020-07-12 12:06:00

Many years ago when I was in my shop I had a Lady who saw one for sale and said that I had priced it wrong and that I had stolen it from her. I just said if you think I sold it please report it to the Police. I was surprised when she turned up an hour later with a Policeman in tow. She again accused me of pinching her coin and precede to tell the policeman how scarce it was. I just said "hang on a minute" went out the back and came back with a box that contained about 25 of them, then produced a catalogue! Never saw the Lady again.

kiwialan - 2020-07-12 14:00:00

Nice one Alan.

alpha111 - 2020-07-12 19:14:00

There's another jeweller's double sovereign in this group - a much cheaper option for the previous buyer if he wants to make up a pair:

https://www.bidbud.co.nz/2699799513

translateltd - 2020-07-14 17:41:00

I have posted a message in this forum, under newbie to coins, someone posted I should try here.

susievb - 2020-07-18 20:38:00

susievb wrote:

I have posted a message in this forum, under newbie to coins, someone posted I should try here.

This was the request
What does the face valve mean to old pre decimal coins? I see the reserve bank will pay out, but what does it mean? I found some old coins and checked them out on a NZ coin website where you check by year what they are made of and if they are rare and some are 50% silver, so if l want to sell them for scrap what sort of a place do l take them to?

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gammoner - 2020-07-18 22:22:00

Face value is just that, for the older pre decimal coins like 3 shillings and a florin, equate to 50c in decimal currency.The Reserve bank would pay you out the current 50c in exchanging your 3 shillings and the florin.
All NZ silver coinage from 1933 to 1946 is 50% silver content.
These will have a much higher value than the "Face" value as bullion coins
For a quick look at what value in better grades they could be worth check out on TM " Antiques & collectables > Coins" section
For a modest investment, this will help you out even more
Listing #: 2699398579
Welcome to come back with further questions anytime

gammoner - 2020-07-18 22:34:00

I looked on this website:
https://www.allcoinvalues.com/new-zealand-coins-and-notes/ne
w-zealand-predecimal-coin-values.html

As I have 1 half crown, 1 florin, 3 one shillings, and 3 sixpences, so not a huge amount. By checking out the year they were minted none of them are rare or in great condition, so as they all have 50% silver content I thought I could sell them. So is it any old jeweler that buys silver ?

susievb - 2020-07-19 15:24:00

susievb wrote:

As I have 1 half crown, 1 florin, 3 one shillings, and 3 sixpences, so not a huge amount. By checking out the year they were minted none of them are rare or in great condition, so as they all have 50% silver content I thought I could sell them. So is it any old jeweler that buys silver ?

Dealers will usually pay a multiple of face value for average-grade silver coins. I'm not sure what the current multiple would be, but probably best to check your yellow pages for coin dealers - I believe there's one in Hamilton still.

translateltd - 2020-07-19 15:47:00

susievb wrote:

I looked on this website:
https://www.allcoinvalues.com/new-zealand-coins-and-notes/ne
w-zealand-predecimal-coin-values.html

As I have 1 half crown, 1 florin, 3 one shillings, and 3 sixpences, so not a huge amount. By checking out the year they were minted none of them are rare or in great condition, so as they all have 50% silver content I thought I could sell them. So is it any old jeweler that buys silver ?

Most Dealers will be offering around 12 to 20 times face value
You have $0.90c face so I would expect you to be offered between $10 and $18 for your coins
If you listed on TM , I would expect them to reach $24 to $30, then you have a couple of dollars to pay for fees out of that.

gammoner - 2020-07-19 17:48:00

Bump - to keep the group current.

translateltd - 2020-07-28 08:46:00

Martin can you help with this Commemorative
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1374062111.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1374062045.jpg
It has the words Auckland Industl & Mining Exhibition on the head side but the Victoria head from the South African War 1899-1902.
Have you seen this before. Cheers, Lindsay

lester36 - 2020-07-30 08:52:00

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ahara-mara - 2020-07-30 11:03:00

lester36 wrote:

Martin can you help with this Commemorative
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1374062111.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1374062045.jpg
It has the words Auckland Industl & Mining Exhibition on the head side but the Victoria head from the South African War 1899-1902.
Have you seen this before. Cheers, Lindsay

Yep, it's in Leon's Supplement (2000) as 1898-99/9. Gilt and bronze versions both described as R5. Interesting they seem to have been issued pierced, but yours has been plugged and a new loop added at the top.
I don't have any usable pictures of this one for the third edition, so could I ask for a couple of straight-on pics of both sides by email pse? Preferably out of the 2x2 if you could. Cheers, Martin

translateltd - 2020-07-30 11:38:00

Thanks Martin, I have sent you a set of photos.
Cheers, Lindsay

lester36 - 2020-07-30 19:11:00

Bump.

translateltd - 2020-08-08 05:14:00

Hi Martin have sent you some photos of a South seas medal 1889-99 any help would be appreciated

lester36 - 2020-08-08 09:23:00

'Nuther bump.

translateltd - 2020-08-16 08:06:00

And another bump - no coin-related posts in an entire fortnight?

translateltd - 2020-08-23 07:56:00

i'm hoping someone may offer me some advice i have been asked to sell some coins on behalf and not sure where to start with reserves or if they are even worth listing.
There is two lots of 1996 united kingdom coin sets, 1992 set
1994 bank of NZ proof set, a Royal visit 1983 coin , and the 1992 Americas cup coin set and a 1990 commenwealth games $1 coin plus a large container of mixed coins from all over the world any advice would be great fully accepted.

kiwichampagne - 2020-08-24 09:36:00