THE NEW COIN CLUB
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| 9801 | Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies and oldbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for oldbies and newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions. No one has all the answers, and you may get five differing answers to the same question, yet each may be right in a manner of speaking, especially if opinions are involved. Opinions often vary. If you receive no answer to your query within 48 hours, please ask again. To post a photo: click on My Trade Me, then on "View My Trade Me". Then scroll way down toward the bottom to "My Photos" and click on that. Click "upload photo" and follow the instructions on-screen from there. Once done, you can copy-and-paste the link to your picture into a message posted here. translateltd - 2020-05-13 07:28:00 |
| 9802 | translateltd wrote:
It must be a memory problem because it's not a "private concoction" at all, it's the way the Reserve Bank sold their sets of UNC coins for decades. All the UNC sets I bought from 1992 to 1998 are mounted in folders between to thin cards so that the obverse can be viewed on one side and the reverse on the other. The link I provided shows the $5 coin in post 9798 mounted in it's black card, which is so shiny that the photographer's fingers are reflected in it. Just browse though all the UNC decimal sets in the auctions here -- it's hard to miss them. There are about 20 sets in "Collections" alone. A few are so well-photographed that you can see every possible view. 1992 Morepork (the 2nd and 3rd photos so both sides of the card):-- 1998 Pride in New Zealand - here the $5 coins are mounted in a very rough approximation of Crux, the "Southern Cross" 2010 Maui's Dolphin Edited by dbb at 12:11 am, Thu 14 May dbb - 2020-05-14 00:04:00 |
| 9803 | dbb wrote:
OK, I've cut open the plastic seal on a 1992 unc set and $5 pack to look more closely - you might be able to break the adhesive around the edge of the cardboard without too much other damage to the card, but after that I'd imagine the two parts of the plastic capsule would come apart to release the coin. I'm not going to try it at this end to check if the plastic itself is glued - if it is, it would have to be cut, of course. For some reason I was imagining from your original query that you had an item mounted against card with only one side visible. Sorry for the confusion. I've bought in some strangely mounted items over the years so nothing would surprise me. Edited by translateltd at 8:45 am, Thu 14 May translateltd - 2020-05-14 08:44:00 |
| 9804 | a question for overseas coin shoppers, has anyone successfully imported any coins from the USA recently, ebay for example? Mine all appear to be stuck somewhere in the US of A! dtpapa - 2020-05-17 10:30:00 |
| 9805 | dtpapa wrote:
No, though I did manage to "free up" an item that was stuck somewhere in NZ recently - it was logged as picked up in Chch and nothing further for a period of weeks. NZP said they couldn't find it and I'd need to put a claim in. For whatever reason I decided to try going online and redirecting it, so I put in a different delivery address and within 24 hours it was 'picked up from the sender' again, this time in Petone, and successfully delivered a couple of days later. Not sure if that would work internationally but you never know. translateltd - 2020-05-17 12:43:00 |
| 9806 | dtpapa wrote: Woz told in recent email that USPS, because of the huge backlog, is now sending via ship even if you've paid for airmail. The same happening to UK mail. wasgonna - 2020-05-17 13:22:00 |
| 9807 | You might find it easier shipping to a third party shipper in either the UK or US. I don't use Youshop or the local postal service due to the delays/issues that can happen. There are a couple of reputable third party shippers and you can select the service etc. Often to ship it to the third party shipper is free. Bonus all round. The longest I've had to wait recently was 4 days. bd30 - 2020-05-17 18:33:00 |
| 9808 | Help!!! I have been made site restricted by Trade Me. Can't find out why and can't get into TM to ask. Can't post items or edit. Most frustrating. Can anyone help? taidhg taidhg - 2020-05-18 20:38:00 |
| 9809 | taidhg wrote:
That's bizarre - you'd think they'd be in touch to tell you why. If you're not currently a top seller there may be no other option but to make a chargeable call to their 0900 number to find out what's going on. I'll email you separately in a moment though. translateltd - 2020-05-18 20:52:00 |
| 9810 | alpha111: Thanks for the nice comment re the Siberian piece just now. I think (or at least hope) it may be a novodel, since the edge has slanted milling (right for period) rather than the lettered edge described in the catalogues ... translateltd - 2020-05-18 20:55:00 |
| 9811 | Found this from a decade ago. The categories have a much broader relevance today. alpha111 - 2020-05-20 10:47:00 |
| 9812 | And this just published book (April 30 2020) might be useful for all those economists who espouse Quantitative Easing. alpha111 - 2020-05-20 10:58:00 |
| 9813 | Thanks, Don, as far as I can make out from the pics, this one may be a little narrower than original spec too. translateltd - 2020-05-20 13:04:00 |
| 9814 | alpha111 - Don, could you get in touch with me pse? I'd like to ask about a medal illustration for the Morel update. translateltd - 2020-05-25 10:32:00 |
| 9815 | Still BANNED from Trade Me, alas, but t least I have found out why. I quote from a reply I had, " Due to concerns we have about your trading we have removed your ability to trade on Trade Me." This after 15 years of membership and 3950 (Buying and Selling FBs) All 100% POSITIVE. Ye Gods, what more do they want? From a disconsolate, taidhg taidhg - 2020-05-25 12:58:00 |
| 9816 | taidhg wrote:
That's appalling - far too vague, for one thing. Hope you've pressed them for details about the "concerns". translateltd - 2020-05-25 13:21:00 |
| 9817 | translateltd wrote: taidhg - 2020-05-25 16:36:00 |
| 9818 | I am shocked. I remember Ray well from the ' 70s when we had monthly meetings at the Canterbury Museum. Ray even ran his own postal auction in those days of honest grading. And I used to bid. alpha111 - 2020-05-25 19:05:00 |
| 9819 | translateltd wrote: alpha111 - 2020-05-25 20:03:00 |
| 9820 | Although I am the subject of an UNJUST banishment by Trade Me to their site I can still raise a joke. AWARDS GRANTED TO ME AFTER 15 YEARS WITH TM. taidhg - 2020-05-26 21:15:00 |
| 9821 | taidhg wrote:
Churchill claimed to have been awarded the Order of the Boot, so you're in good company, at least :-) translateltd - 2020-05-26 22:39:00 |
| 9822 | Options gammoner - 2020-05-27 08:17:00 |
| 9823 | translateltd wrote: taidhg - 2020-05-27 11:45:00 |
| 9824 | gammoner wrote:
My thanks. Alan, for that suggestion. You know, opening a new account just never occurred to me. Shows how innocent I am. No, I never did win Lotto so the sovereigns are as far away as ever but I'll keep on trying. taidhg - 2020-05-27 12:00:00 |
| 9825 | translateltd wrote: gammoner - 2020-05-27 18:40:00 |
| 9826 | Never thought one would see the NZ Numismatic Dealers Association "Top Twins" bidding against each other but here it is............. alpha111 - 2020-05-31 10:26:00 |
| 9827 | gammoner wrote:
Spotted the "interesting" ingot - or one looking very much like it - in a bulk listing from Chch this morning ... translateltd - 2020-06-01 10:34:00 |
| 9828 | taidhg wrote:
From a legal perspective before any action against your account, first, you have the right to be informed of any problems that Trademe has regarding your account. Second, you have a right to be heard regarding any problems that Trademe has regarding your account. Third, Tradme must genuinely consider your response before taking action against your Tradme account. Fourth, if Trademe wants to take action against your Trademe account after genuinely considering your reponse to their concerns about your Trademe account, it must offer you another chance to persuade Trademe from taking action, which it must genuinely consider. Failing any of these steps breaches your rights as a New Zealand citizen, which has remedies in the Courts. You would need to establish the harm done to you by Trademe's action. This is usually quantified by your trading revenue loss. Furthermore, you should consider exemplary damages at the discretion of the Court for failure to adhere to these principles of natural justice steps. Nevertheless, I would first contact Trademe informing them of the option of litigation before seeking legal representation. They might reconsider their action in your favour. Edited by dadriver1 at 12:48 pm, Mon 1 Jun dadriver1 - 2020-06-01 12:37:00 |
| 9829 | taidhg wrote:
Trademe's preference for e-mail does not defeat your right to be heard. A Court will consider your age and level of technical savvy in light of your request to be heard by hard copy written correspondence in your right to be heard before a sanction is imposed. In my opinion, Trademe has breached your right to be heard by failing to take into consideration your age and your technical savvy to state your case. It is being unreasonable, if it does not do such. Indeed it can be viewed as Wednesbury unreasonableness. dadriver1 - 2020-06-01 12:44:00 |
| 9830 | dadriver1 wrote: taidhg - 2020-06-01 15:10:00 |
| 9831 | dadriver1 wrote: I think you are pulling a long bow claiming TradeMe have a legal right to allow someone an account. They can close accounts for whatever reason they like. As long as they are not doing anything disrimatory like banning gingers or homosexuals. They could in theory shut an account down just because they didn't happen to like a person. It is pretty well covered in the T&C's. It is TradeMe's website. A private entity. We are all only here by their good grace. I have highlighted it below 2.5 Terminating your membership You may terminate your membership at any time, for any reason.We’ll need around three days to process your request. ****Similarly, we may refuse to offer some or all of our Services to you without prior notice, for any reason. ***** If we have restricted or prohibited your access to our Services, we will have done this for a reason and, if we can, we’ll tell you why. You agree not to bypass these controls, for example, you agree not to create a new membership. If we have explained why your access to our Services has been restricted or prohibited, we reserve the right to cease further correspondence with you. If your membership is terminated (by you or by us), your ability to access our Site will end and you must stop using our Services. Certain clauses from these Terms will continue to apply after termination, including clause 1.4, 3.4 and 8.3–8.6. If you visit our Site after termination, or otherwise use our Services, these Terms will apply. callum.irvine - 2020-06-02 13:11:00 |
| 9832 | Basically they will have restricted the account, until the dispute you mentioned in #9817 is sorted out to their satisfaction. All pretty common. callum.irvine - 2020-06-02 13:14:00 |
| 9833 | Can you not write a response then get a friend to scan it onto your computer then you or they attach it to the email back from TM to you saying about the termination of membership. Send the hard copy by post. I think people are a bit puzzled that you can participate on threads on the MB but not do emails. All the best with whatever option you choose. shanreagh - 2020-06-02 13:21:00 |
| 9834 | The underlying problem is TradeMe's policy of holding sellers liable if items go missing in the post, which in turn was probably occasioned by NZ Post washing its hands of any responsibility if valuables go missing or get light-fingered in transit. Instead of treating collectables as "illegal items" - despite NZP itself trading in and posting such products - accepting liability for the items it carries would make problems like our colleague's current one a thing of the past. translateltd - 2020-06-02 15:12:00 |
| 9835 | translateltd wrote:
Why would a trader send things by post if when they are unable to meet the cost of a refund to the buyer should Was the parcel tracked? Something odd here to my mind. An experienced seller of valuable goods should have worked out a better way of getting sales to buyers, I would have thought. Surely it should/ would/could have been tracked at the very least? Why not refund and be done with it. Fighting a battle with TM & NZ Post is for another day. Some online places hold money in escrow so that should items go missing then the buyer can be refunded. Perhaps TM could be looking at that. or we could have a voluntary placing in escrow. Would need to be coupled with acceptable methods of getting the item to the buyer. Edited by shanreagh at 5:07 pm, Tue 2 Jun shanreagh - 2020-06-02 17:04:00 |
| 9836 | taidhg wrote: taidhg, please follow the suggestion made earlier of writing out your response to Trade .me then get someone to type it into an email to Trade Me. It is possible TM can’t conceive of anyone who is able to use a website for selling not also being able to use email. One way or another, I think you can still get your account functioning but you might have to meet TM’s expectation regarding buyer protection AND how they want you to communicate with them. Don’t give up. cosimo - 2020-06-02 19:33:00 |
| 9837 | shanreagh wrote:
You are kidding, right? Postal incompetence and/or pilfering are - or should be, in any reasonable jurisdiction - the responsibility of the postal services themselves, no-one else. If an item is packed carefully and sent by the most secure means available, not just tossed into an envelope, the sender's responsibility should end as soon as it's consigned. Otherwise the only way for traders to avoid the risk of losing potentially hefty sales revenue would be delivery in person, but not many buyers would be prepared to pay for that if it's going out of town. Edited by translateltd at 7:57 pm, Tue 2 Jun translateltd - 2020-06-02 19:54:00 |
| 9838 | translateltd wrote: That is a view held by many, Translateltd. But it’s not what the law says. Sellers ‘in trade’ are responsible in law for ensuring the goods reach the buyer in good condition and in reasonable time. We can rail against the law, but we can’t get it changed. And TM is required to follow the law. Which is not to say TM doesn’t listen to both sides. But in case of doubt, they are required to side with the buyer. I feel the pain of any seller who feels they have been shafted - it’s an unpleasant time. But guess what, right now I can’t even remember the details of the occasion it happened to me. Healing starts when the issue is closed, and you move forward. cosimo - 2020-06-02 20:47:00 |
| 9839 | If my account was restricted just because of a small price dispute , I'd pay without making such a fuss. night_into_day - 2020-06-03 00:10:00 |
| 9840 | taidhg wrote:
After all your sales you wouldn't of been able to avoid using email when bank deposit is your only payment method. You'd have to contact buyers to check on payments or someone asks a question or changes their address. This doesn't seem honest Create new email (compose), input subject & email address, write your email and done. night_into_day - 2020-06-03 00:20:00 |
| 9841 | cosimo wrote:
I'd love to have a lawmaker explain to me how any seller can be held liable for loss or theft by a third party. I will acknowledge that a carelessly packaged item may provide temptation - like leaving your laptop in full view in a parked car - but in neither case does anyone hold a gun to someone's head and force them to commit the crime. Deflecting blame from the actual perpetrators is both lazy and unethical. translateltd - 2020-06-03 05:57:00 |
| 9842 | translateltd wrote: I am no lawmaker. Have yet to see a politician post on here. But, the seller is responsible for the item until point of delivery. If delivery can be proven the seller is not responsible. All pretty sensible. The alternative would be a sellers responsibility gone once they said they sent the item. That scenario would be open to a far greater amount of abuse. callum.irvine - 2020-06-03 08:09:00 |
| 9843 | callum.irvine wrote: taidhg - 2020-06-03 09:12:00 |
| 9844 | taidhg wrote: All I can say is so far you have been lucky. Very very lucky. I doubt there are many regular selelrs only using NZpost standard now. In fact the prices for courier have reduced and standard post increased almost to the point where they are the same. In some cases the courier option is actually cheaper than standard post. Not sure where you get your $8 or $10 charge from. A tracking sticker on a standard post item is $1. Very sensible insurance. Especially if you are sending prohibited items. Both buyers and sellers appreciate it in my experience. callum.irvine - 2020-06-03 09:22:00 |
| 9845 | night_into_day wrote:
That is the view held by many I have discussed this with. But, and I mention this without accusing anyone of anything untoward. I know I was NOT responsible for the loss of the item. You will recall Edmund Burke's quote of 3 or 400 years ago, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil men is for good men to say nothing". Please be assured that I do not consider this has any bearing, whatsoever, on the dispute I am involved in at the present time. I am just quoting it to pad out space. taidhg. taidhg - 2020-06-03 09:36:00 |
| 9846 | ...if the problem is that it didn't arrive, then awl the more reason to spend $1 on tracking...basic insurance and if the dispute is over quality or condition and the seller is confident...have it returned,refund and resell it...it's not really rocket science...????... theguyz1 - 2020-06-03 09:44:00 |
| 9847 | It is abhorrent to me to hold a buyer responsible, by implication, for the way the law and postal practices work here in NZ. These (law/postal practices) are big items and if you are really concerned then there are more appropriate avenues than waging battle over, and hooking in, a buyer who has not received their purchase. Refund and move on. Wage the battle once you have done this. shanreagh - 2020-06-03 09:53:00 |
| 9848 | shanreagh wrote:
A carelessly packed item (loose coin/medal rolling about free in its envelope) once failed to arrive, though I got the envelope with its side torn open. The seller suggested splitting the loss 50/50 and since it was relatively minor, I accepted. Another item was mis-delivered (to the IRD of all places) and attempts to recover it were fruitless. The carrier in that case accepted liability and I got a refund - though the exceptional nature of the loss was probably matched by the exceptional nature of the outcome. translateltd - 2020-06-03 12:10:00 |
| 9849 | translateltd wrote: Unless you were sending cash or another prohibited item, NZPost does indeed have the obligation to recompense for an item that hasn't been delivered. Or are you saying that you had sent a cash payment to IRD, and NZPost paid out on that? I'm struggling to believe that. Perhaps if they had evidence of some kind that the item had been stolen by one of their workers they would come to the party then. If you sent a cheque then it's just a matter of cancelling and issuing another. Can't think of much else sent to IRD that would require a refund. Edited by callum.irvine at 1:36 pm, Wed 3 Jun callum.irvine - 2020-06-03 13:28:00 |
| 9850 | Trade Me is just following the Consumer Guarantees Act 1993: 5A Guarantee as to delivery. alpha111 - 2020-06-03 13:40:00 |
