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Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies and oldbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for oldbies and newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

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translateltd - 2019-07-03 13:45:00
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Could anyone please give me an idea of the worth of a 1977 Cook Island $100 Gold proof coin in a case. Thanks

gollycolly - 2019-07-06 19:05:00
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gollycolly wrote:

Could anyone please give me an idea of the worth of a 1977 Cook Island $100 Gold proof coin in a case. Thanks


More a bullion value coin
At 9.6 gm of 21.6 ct gold I would expect bids between $570 and $615 on a good day on Trademe

gammoner - 2019-07-06 19:12:00
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Thank you.

gollycolly - 2019-07-06 19:40:00
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I’ve found the silver penny and groat on Tony Clayton’s page, but given this is a set in admittedly a tarnished state, if the other side of these is in similar condition, what would be a reasonable retail value for the set in box?

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1085505677.jpg

echoriath - 2019-07-07 10:14:00
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echoriath wrote:

I’ve found the silver penny and groat on Tony Clayton’s page, but given this is a set in admittedly a tarnished state, if the other side of these is in similar condition, what would be a reasonable retail value for the set in box?

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1085505677.jpg[
/quote]

If there's no actual wear and it's just toning, I wouldn't expect it to detract hugely. As a guide, Spink 2015 (latest edition I have) quotes £135 in EF and £375 in UNC; COIN Yearbook 2019 has £180 and £255 respectively. Both publications follow their own pricing standards, and I don't really understand why they can sometimes diverge so greatly. What the market will actually pay, well, that's a third set of figures.

Edited by translateltd at 11:16 am, Sun 7 Jul

translateltd - 2019-07-07 11:15:00
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Thanks, Martin.

Yes, I did a cursory search that turned up similar results on London Coins or something like that.

echoriath - 2019-07-07 11:31:00
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echoriath wrote:

Thanks, Martin.

Yes, I did a cursory search that turned up similar results on London Coins or something like that.

I didn't think I was adding much, in all honesty :-)

translateltd - 2019-07-07 12:39:00
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No, but it synced up with what I found. Of course, in the end I still underbid at $150. They went for $165, so probably I was outbid by two other people.At least the bidding was reasonably competitive.

echoriath - 2019-07-08 20:41:00
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I think this dealer has failed "grade school" even though he describes himself as " one of the fastest growing Dealers in the country.."
Listing #: 2225279460 $1 Reserve!! Cat $300+!! EF 1940 Florin.
Listing #: 2169473744 1927 Unc Florin. Stunning!!
Or maybe my grading standards are obsolete?

alpha111 - 2019-07-11 11:38:00
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alpha111 wrote:

I think this dealer has failed "grade school" even though he describes himself as " one of the fastest growing Dealers in the country.."
Listing #: 2225279460 $1 Reserve!! Cat $300+!! EF 1940 Florin.
Listing #: 2169473744 1927 Unc Florin. Stunning!!
Or maybe my grading standards are obsolete?

Am still waiting for a replacement silver florin after a couple of follow ups since 5th May on auction 2044887825
I pointed out at auction time one of the florins was dated 1948 in the pic
Dealer replied he would swap out for a pre 1947 to the winner
I won, coins arrived, still the 1948 included and no replacement.
Rang Matt who said he forgot and would send replacement.
Another follow up call a week later and said had been so busy he had forgot again.
You guessed right , still waiting.
For the $4 he has lost a client, will be getting my original happy face changed to a red, three strikes and your out
Great service should come before fastest growing

gammoner - 2019-07-11 13:55:00
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alpha111 wrote:

I think this dealer has failed "grade school" even though he describes himself as " one of the fastest growing Dealers in the country.."
Listing #: 2225279460 $1 Reserve!! Cat $300+!! EF 1940 Florin.
Listing #: 2169473744 1927 Unc Florin. Stunning!!
Or maybe my grading standards are obsolete?

You mean Unc doesn't mean Fine and polished?

translateltd - 2019-07-11 18:16:00
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Is it just me, seem to see a lot of coins dipped in sliver then graded at EF and above. Its common now for coins to be over graded, cleaned. Just hope new collector's manage to get the older coin books that will help with learning how to grade coins, some people are only in it for the money, not what I would call collector's.

35 - 2019-07-14 12:34:00
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Correct. It's getting like the wild, wild west on Trade Me. Also plenty of replicas and pseudo-coins. However I once had a Gold Coast dealer admit that he occasionally dipped coins to enhance their appearance. At the other end of the scale here is a piece of scrap metal that becomes a "Nice coin in fine condition. George IV, 1826 Copper Half Penny, Listing #: 2230492973 ".

alpha111 - 2019-07-14 16:46:00
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found this foreign coin in a bag of estate coins, does anyone know what it is... thanks in advance

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1093150220.jpg

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1093150043.jpg

last photo shows size

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1093153573.jpg
cheers

Edited by re-collectibles at 9:56 pm, Tue 16 Jul

re-collectibles - 2019-07-16 21:50:00
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re-collectibles wrote:

found this foreign coin in a bag of estate coins, does anyone know what it is... thanks in advance

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1093150220.jpg

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1093150043.jpg

last photo shows size

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1093153573.jpg
cheers

Egypt, 25 piastres (qirsh/ghirsh/pick your spelling), AH1277, year 8 = AD 1867. Catalogue ref KM#261. If genuine it contains 0.0601 oz gold. Full weight should be 2.136 g.

translateltd - 2019-07-16 22:04:00
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thank you...

re-collectibles - 2019-07-16 22:32:00
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Bump.

translateltd - 2019-07-23 12:42:00
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Just purchased a 1698 james the 3rd half crown,EF grade valued at $1500 nzd very nice coin for over 300 years old and only $1 a year for this one

silverfox69 - 2019-07-27 20:15:00
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silverfox69 wrote:

Just purchased a 1698 james the 3rd half crown,EF grade valued at $1500 nzd very nice coin for over 300 years old and only $1 a year for this one

Was the weight and also the edge inscription OK on that one? There was some discussion about it on another forum.

translateltd - 2019-07-27 20:48:00
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anyone know what Zwierzina followed by a number means in reference to a medal (usually a Dutch medal I think)? I very much suspect it is the name of an author of some particular reference work on the subject, but can't seem to find a mention of the name of the book, let alone how to acquire a copy!

dtpapa - 2019-07-28 18:47:00
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Evening all. Just thought I would share a recent PCGS submission that I have just received back amongst others.
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1103190508.jpg
Purchased raw from the UK.

bd30 - 2019-07-28 19:27:00
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dtpapa wrote:

anyone know what Zwierzina followed by a number means in reference to a medal (usually a Dutch medal I think)? I very much suspect it is the name of an author of some particular reference work on the subject, but can't seem to find a mention of the name of the book, let alone how to acquire a copy!

See if this link works:
https://ha-europe.com/nl/zoeken?q=zwierzina&aid=23
It's a Dutch-language catalogue (or series of catalogues) of medals from or relating to the Netherlands.
Looks like free downloads here too - haven't checked further so no guarantees:
http://ismaeldebruijne.tk/author/w-k-f-zwierzina

translateltd - 2019-07-28 19:51:00
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thanks Martin with the help of google I eventually arrived at this

https://sites.google.com/site/digitallibrarynumis/subjects/2
7-medals/11-netherlands

books by Willem Karel Frederik Zwierzina listed at the bottom!

Actually has some other interesting looking stuff too.

I managed to download book listed at the very bottom which I believe is concerned with medals issued during reign of Queen Wilhelmina!

dtpapa - 2019-07-29 09:11:00
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very nice looking coin there Brendon but I thought you were giving up on the numismatics?

dtpapa - 2019-07-29 09:14:00
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Morning,
I still look around and if I see something that catches my attention I'll attempt to purchase and have it graded. Something to pass on to my children.

bd30 - 2019-07-29 09:22:00
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dtpapa wrote:


I managed to download book listed at the very bottom which I believe is concerned with medals issued during reign of Queen Wilhelmina!

Yes, Medallic History of the Reign of Queen W. (for the first ten years after she began reigning alone, anyway - 1898-1908). Looks like Mr Z was quite a prolific medal researcher - I hadn't heard of him before.

translateltd - 2019-07-29 09:51:00
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Until now NZ has never issued a Sovereign but now we have 15 of them. If I win Lotto I'll buy ONE of each. Wish me luck. Cheers, taidhg

taidhg - 2019-08-01 19:19:00
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The 50 sovereigns coin cost more than my 3 year old car when I bought it (baby barina)

alpha111 - 2019-08-01 19:58:00
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alpha111 wrote:

The 50 sovereigns coin cost more than my 3 year old car when I bought it (baby barina)

Do we even have the right to call them sovereigns? I thought that was the prerogative of the Royal Mint and its branches.

translateltd - 2019-08-01 21:01:00
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translateltd wrote:

Do we even have the right to call them sovereigns? I thought that was the prerogative of the Royal Mint and its branches.


Think I might try and buy the 49 on issue and melt 48 of them

gammoner - 2019-08-01 22:02:00
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On second thoughts,think I would prefer to have 2,250 of the real full sov coins for the same money

gammoner - 2019-08-01 22:05:00
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gammoner wrote:

On second thoughts,think I would prefer to have 2,250 of the real full sov coins for the same money

That's more like it :-) I haven't checked but someone was saying the weights are out of proportion with these new private mint ones once you get to the higher multiples (50 is 37.5x the weight of a single, or something like that).

translateltd - 2019-08-01 22:28:00
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translateltd wrote:

That's more like it :-) I haven't checked but someone was saying the weights are out of proportion with these new private mint ones once you get to the higher multiples (50 is 37.5x the weight of a single, or something like that).

Yes,155 gm for the new 50 sovereign coin .
50 full sovs near on 400 gm

buybuybullion1 - 2019-08-01 22:36:00
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translateltd wrote:

Do we even have the right to call them sovereigns? I thought that was the prerogative of the Royal Mint and its branches.


Yes. The Royal Mint sought the right to restrict "sovereign" to its own mintings but the Commonwealth Mint objected and won. The RM appealed but lost. It's all on Google under the Commonwealth Mint.
Cheers, taidhg

taidhg - 2019-08-04 12:00:00
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taidhg wrote:


Yes. The Royal Mint sought the right to restrict "sovereign" to its own mintings but the Commonwealth Mint objected and won. The RM appealed but lost. It's all on Google under the Commonwealth Mint.
Cheers, taidhg

Did you win enough on Lotto, hope so

gammoner - 2019-08-04 12:12:00
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taidhg wrote:


Yes. The Royal Mint sought the right to restrict "sovereign" to its own mintings but the Commonwealth Mint objected and won. The RM appealed but lost. It's all on Google under the Commonwealth Mint.
Cheers, taidhg

Interesting - thanks for this reference. I would have thought that the claim about Australian sovereigns in the quote below was irrelevant, since they were last made in 1931 when the Aussie mints were all still branches of the Royal Mint, so still RM products. But the Gibraltar one does seem to undermine the case - the only one I see in Krause is from 2003 and is of the wrong weight and fineness, which isn't helpful.

"The Court, however, again pointed to the fact that a small proportion of sovereigns had been produced outside of Royal Mint’s control and that sovereign commemorative coins from e.g. Gibraltar and Australia are also available in the UK."

Edited by translateltd at 3:08 pm, Sun 4 Aug

translateltd - 2019-08-04 15:07:00
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Hi, I have a Swiss 5 Franc from 1982. It's mint because it's set in a commemorative envelope ( like a first day cover ). Sorry not able to post a pic but it appears to be the same as the later 5 franc only gold. Can anyone please give me an idea of value ? I have been searching online to no avail. TIA

Edited by aphra1 at 3:14 pm, Sun 4 Aug

aphra1 - 2019-08-04 15:13:00
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https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1109077340.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1109076712.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1109075297.jpg

Photos go with my last post. Thanks

aphra1 - 2019-08-04 15:29:00
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aphra1 wrote:

Hi, I have a Swiss 5 Franc from 1982. It's mint because it's set in a commemorative envelope ( like a first day cover ). Sorry not able to post a pic but it appears to be the same as the later 5 franc only gold. Can anyone please give me an idea of value ? I have been searching online to no avail. TIA

I assume this is the standard 5-franc coin with the guy normally assumed to be William Tell on the obverse, with the words CONFOEDERATIO HELVETICA around? There's a commemorative from that year for the St Gotthard Rail Tunnel too, but both are just cupro-nickel (the standard "white" alloy our coins used to be made of). I'm not aware of any struck in gold - and they'd be extremely heavy if they were, given their size. It's possible the ordinary ones have toned over time, especially if they've been in a plastic window for the past 37 years. The standard catalogue price - what you'd pay a dealer to buy them - for both is in the $8-10 range for mint examples and $10-20 for proofs, if that's any help.
EDIT: Just saw your photos, and it's the standard type. I can only assume it has toned over the years, as I suggested above.

Edited by translateltd at 3:32 pm, Sun 4 Aug

translateltd - 2019-08-04 15:30:00
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translateltd wrote:

Interesting - thanks for this reference. I would have thought that the claim about Australian sovereigns in the quote below was irrelevant, since they were last made in 1931 when the Aussie mints were all still branches of the Royal Mint, so still RM products. But the Gibraltar one does seem to undermine the case - the only one I see in Krause is from 2003 and is of the wrong weight and fineness, which isn't helpful.

"The Court, however, again pointed to the fact that a small proportion of sovereigns had been produced outside of Royal Mint’s control and that sovereign commemorative coins from e.g. Gibraltar and Australia are also available in the UK."

I see there were earlier Gibraltar examples from the 1990s, too, all (or most) with non-standard weights and finenesses, and made by the Pobjoy Mint as far as I can see. If the RM had objected to those at the time they might have had a better case now.

translateltd - 2019-08-04 15:34:00
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aphra1 wrote:

Hi, I have a Swiss 5 Franc from 1982. It's mint because it's set in a commemorative envelope ( like a first day cover ). Sorry not able to post a pic but it appears to be the same as the later 5 franc only gold. Can anyone please give me an idea of value ? I have been searching online to no avail. TIA


$5 -$9 if any one wants it Not uncommon, Cheers.

lester36 - 2019-08-04 15:34:00
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translateltd wrote:

I assume this is the standard 5-franc coin with the guy normally assumed to be William Tell on the obverse, with the words CONFOEDERATIO HELVETICA around? There's a commemorative from that year for the St Gotthard Rail Tunnel too, but both are just cupro-nickel (the standard "white" alloy our coins used to be made of). I'm not aware of any struck in gold - and they'd be extremely heavy if they were, given their size. It's possible the ordinary ones have toned over time, especially if they've been in a plastic window for the past 37 years. The standard catalogue price - what you'd pay a dealer to buy them - for both is in the $8-10 range for mint examples and $10-20 for proofs, if that's any help.
EDIT: Just saw your photos, and it's the standard type. I can only assume it has toned over the years, as I suggested above.

Thank so much, you're absolutely right. While it looked gold coloured and the front is indeed goldish when I took it out of the packaging the rear is white. Oh well no instant riches today. Thanks for replying.

aphra1 - 2019-08-04 16:21:00
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gammoner wrote:

Did you win enough on Lotto, hope so

No such blooming luck. All I got was a 4-line bonus ticket. Keeping
my fingers crossed for Wednesday so I still have an outside chance. (Very outside).
Cheers, taidhg

taidhg - 2019-08-05 11:56:00
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2257114330 Not bad if you consider free postage.

lester36 - 2019-08-09 20:46:00
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lester36 wrote:

2257114330 Not bad if you consider free postage.

Looks like someone's taking the Michael.

translateltd - 2019-08-09 20:50:00
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https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1114431296.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1114431230.jpg
I just got this 3 pence coin any idea of the value.
It is dirty and scratched but has a very nice reversed image of the head side.
I have weighed it and it is the correct weight.
Thanks

lester36 - 2019-08-10 12:31:00
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lester36 wrote:

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full
/1114431296.jpg

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1114431230.jpg
I just got this 3 pence coin any idea of the value.
It is dirty and scratched but has a very nice reversed image of the head side.
I have weighed it and it is the correct weight.
Thanks

No idea but a nice find!

translateltd - 2019-08-11 09:15:00
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Hello, is there anybody out there who has old dutch "boordgeld notes"
I have a full set of coins but am after paper notes boordgeld for a friend of mine overseas who has a maritime museum. In the past I remember a trader "AkeAke" whom I have bought of but am unable to see hoim here on TM. Your help in my request is appreciated

superopa - 2019-08-11 10:20:00
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Akeake1's account is still valid but he doesn't have any current listings - all I can suggest is keep watching. I've never seen the paper notes myself, though of course the coins turn up fairly regularly. The round 25c is quite elusive - I ended up getting one sent from Holland in the end.

translateltd - 2019-08-11 11:09:00
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