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Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies and oldbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for oldbies and newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

No one has all the answers, and you may get five differing answers to the same question, yet each may be right in a manner of speaking, especially if opinions are involved. Opinions often vary. If you receive no answer to your query within 48 hours, please ask again.

translateltd - 2018-12-05 18:54:00
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hank59 wrote:

New to this but does anyone feel offended with all this people selling armistice coins when you were only allowed to buyone roll per customer from NZ post, But they seem to have heaps and at $27 a roll of twenty , They still have them for sale for $10 on NZpost /coins maybe buy more if these guys can sell them.

Well, you'll pay an extra $5 a roll for shipping so the total cost is $15 but still, $27 a roll, seems a bit over the top. I doubt, though, if there are many selling at this price. Cheers, taidhg

taidhg - 2018-12-06 09:26:00
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So I got a couple of rolls of dollar coins recently that struck me as odd. They appeared to both be mint rolls, having nice, shiny 2015s on each end. And all of them in each roll WERE 2015s, except two or three. How odd is that? It seems quite unlikely that they'd be rerolled with that many new coins and just a couple that were not.

Speaking of, anyone finding an interesting flaws on 2015s? All I've found is a wart under the chin and some striations across the main fields. I did find in the last couple of weeks a die crack similar to the 2013 up from below the effigy and onto the base of the neck. It's quite light. I think I've also found a wee little crack on the reverse from the base of the fern frond above the kiwi's head to the tip of the frond beside it, but it's very minor. Maybe a sign of something more significant in a future roll?

echoriath - 2018-12-07 01:53:00
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chrisr5 wrote:

I see that you asked that question and a few others went unanswered by the seller. Obviously they 'missed' the questions........


Still, from the feedback, it would appear the buyer was happy with it. Reminds me of that old saying about a fool and his money ...

Edited by puckles at 5:25 pm, Wed 12 Dec

puckles - 2018-12-12 17:24:00
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Here's a challenge. https://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=1870136373&tm=email&
amp;et=47&mt=F6646CAA-6159-4024-8690-D8C049BAAE56

Can't see "B.I.R.M." on it anywhere but am I right to suspect it still may not be genuine? The description is similar to that used at
https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=3650161&a
mp;AucID=3735&Lot=1227&Val=d9e385ea5249e48de3d04da65
530fcbd

Edited by puckles at 5:42 pm, Wed 12 Dec

puckles - 2018-12-12 17:35:00
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puckles wrote:

Here's a challenge. https://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=1870136373&tm=email&
amp;et=47&mt=F6646CAA-6159-4024-8690-D8C049BAAE56

Can't see "B.I.R.M." on it anywhere but am I right to suspect it still may not be genuine? The description is similar to that used at
https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=3650161&a
mp;AucID=3735&Lot=1227&Val=d9e385ea5249e48de3d04da65
530fcbd

The lettering does look a bit more spindly on this one but it's beyond me. The dates are written out in words and the particular variety of Arabic script used doesn't include any of the dots above and below letters that are rather handy in helping actually read it. Even with that kind of disposable cash I wouldn't be spending it on an online auction from an unknown seller ...

translateltd - 2018-12-12 22:19:00
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puckles wrote:


Still, from the feedback, it would appear the buyer was happy with it. Reminds me of that old saying about a fool and his money ...

Also suggests he never scrolled down to the bottom of the page after winning it. Will be interesting to see what happens if/when he tries to move it on in due course.

translateltd - 2018-12-12 22:21:00
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I may be wrong (and I hope I am) but I think TM is planning an increase in its commission charges.

taidhg - 2018-12-16 20:26:00
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puckles wrote:


Still, from the feedback, it would appear the buyer was happy with it. Reminds me of that old saying about a fool and his money ...

If I only lacked scruples.

chrisr5 - 2018-12-18 16:10:00
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translateltd wrote:

The lettering does look a bit more spindly on this one but it's beyond me. The dates are written out in words and the particular variety of Arabic script used doesn't include any of the dots above and below letters that are rather handy in helping actually read it. Even with that kind of disposable cash I wouldn't be spending it on an online auction from an unknown seller ...

Details look quite mushy. I'm also going to agree with you on the probability score.

chrisr5 - 2018-12-19 17:54:00
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chrisr5 wrote:

If I only lacked scruples.

Thanks to a small collection of apothecary's weights, I will always have at least some scruples.

translateltd - 2018-12-20 16:33:00
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translateltd wrote:

Thanks to a small collection of apothecary's weights, I will always have at least some scruples.

There's probably more than a grain of truth in that

chrisr5 - 2018-12-21 15:13:00
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translateltd wrote:

Thanks to a small collection of apothecary's weights, I will always have at least some scruples.

As an apothecary many years ago I can verify that. Apothecarys think in grains and minims and act without scruples. Cheers, taidhg

taidhg - 2018-12-23 08:55:00
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taidhg wrote:

As an apothecary many years ago I can verify that. Apothecarys think in grains and minims and act without scruples. Cheers, taidhg

What about quavers or denarii?

chrisr5 - 2018-12-23 20:12:00
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chrisr5 wrote:

What about quavers or denarii?

Drachms, anyway - not sure about denarii. I'll make a note about the quavers and minims.

translateltd - 2018-12-24 06:58:00
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https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/928412931.jpg
Can anyone tell me how I can tell if this is real or a copy.
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/928413074.jpg
Thanks.

lester36 - 2018-12-24 08:18:00
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https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/928412765.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/928412639.jpg
got this one as well from the same source along with 3 1 phfennig coins dated 1937 - 38 - 39 cheers

lester36 - 2018-12-24 08:21:00
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lester36 wrote:

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full
/928412931.jpg

Can anyone tell me how I can tell if this is real or a copy.
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/928413074.jpg
Thanks.

Any "coin" with an effigy of AH is a later fantasy - there were none made during his lifetime, nothing official at any rate.

translateltd - 2018-12-24 08:26:00
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lester36 wrote:

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full
/928412765.jpg

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/928412639.jpg
got this one as well from the same source along with 3 1 phfennig coins dated 1937 - 38 - 39 cheers

This could be authentic, I don't know. The reverse legend says "Rest in eternal life, my good comrade". 9 Nov 1923 was the date of the failed "Beer Hall Putsch". By the tenth anniversary the N...s would have been in power so it could be a genuine anniversary issue. Nothing I can see about it on Google, though, in either English or German, which is odd.

translateltd - 2018-12-24 08:31:00
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Thanks Martin.
Any idea when the A.H. one could have been made.

lester36 - 2018-12-24 09:14:00
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lester36 wrote:

Thanks Martin.
Any idea when the A.H. one could have been made.

No, though the Krause "Unusual World Coins" catalogue says that similar ones were "possibly" made in Buenos Aires in 1959 as souvenirs for German veterans. My best call would be a vague "postwar, probably 1950s-70s".

translateltd - 2018-12-24 10:22:00
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HNY my fellow numismatics!

if anyone out there knows of or spots a 1967 numismatic soc of Auck decimal coinage medal please let me know (Ag or Br). There was a pair very recently on TM but I missed them. They went really cheap too, so annoying! Cheers!

dtpapa - 2019-01-01 08:01:00
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Listing #: 1890520696

alpha111 - 2019-01-01 17:50:00
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alpha111 wrote:

Listing #: 1890520696

thanks but that's the coin club I'm after the numismatic society one!

dtpapa - 2019-01-01 18:01:00
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1893510361
Looking at the clumsy lettering and spelling errors (etwache for erwache), I'd suggest a Chinese origin rather than German for this one.
No idea if the aluminium example listed below is any more authentic but at least the spelling and lettering are better :-)
www.darabanth.com/en/online-auction/246/categories~Numismati
cs/Emergency-notes-and-coins-tokens~400007/Nemet-3-Birodalom
-7E1938-Nemetorszag-felebred--Haborus-adomany-NSDAP--Hitler-
mozgalom-~II1169877/

translateltd - 2019-01-02 13:16:00
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translateltd wrote:

1893510361-

Looking at the clumsy lettering and spelling errors (etwache for erwache), I'd suggest a Chinese origin rather than German for this one.
No idea if the aluminium example listed below is any more authentic but at least the spelling and lettering are better :-)
www.darabanth.com/en/online-auction/246/categories~Numismati
cs/Emergency-notes-and-coins-tokens~400007/Nemet-3-Birodalom
-7E1938-Nemetorszag-felebred--Haborus-adomany-NSDAP--Hitler-
mozgalom-~II1169877/

Slightly ironic word to misspell!

chrisr5 - 2019-01-07 09:42:00
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chrisr5 wrote:

Slightly ironic word to misspell!

Clearly hadn't woken up when they copied it. Rest of it's a mess too.

translateltd - 2019-01-07 10:33:00
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I gave him a reasonable translation and suggested he try google but he still has no idea what it says

chrisr5 - 2019-01-07 22:01:00
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FFS!
1911345670

dtpapa - 2019-01-15 09:46:00
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dtpapa wrote:

FFS!
1911345670

He who hesitates ...

translateltd - 2019-01-15 11:26:00
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translateltd wrote:

He who hesitates ...

lol, you mean the initial requestor?!!!
it would certainly have looked nice in their collection. Would have looked even nicer in mine though! I don't think davehaze has a collection?
it's more than a tad disappointing to tell the truth, I suspect I am antique.buyers biggest customer when it comes to the purchasing of bahama mules. Didn't seem to count for much.

dtpapa - 2019-01-15 11:49:00
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dtpapa wrote:


lol, you mean the initial requestor?!!!

Ah, I see - thought you were just grumpy at missing out, but I see what you mean now.

translateltd - 2019-01-15 12:15:00
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dtpapa wrote:

lol, you mean the initial requestor?!!!
it would certainly have looked nice in their collection. Would have looked even nicer in mine though! I don't think davehaze has a collection?
it's more than a tad disappointing to tell the truth, I suspect I am antique.buyers biggest customer when it comes to the purchasing of bahama mules. Didn't seem to count for much.


Listing #: 1903110006 ... buy this , build it , then get over it

pottynz - 2019-01-15 13:21:00
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pottynz wrote:


Listing #: 1903110006 ... buy this , build it , then get over it

or leap off it?, lol
nah ..not at that price mate!
(I'd rather have 5 x bahama mules in BU condition!)

dtpapa - 2019-01-15 13:46:00
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I've emailed the seller, conveyed my great annoyance and asked for (demanded!) an explanation. As I write have not received a reply. I shall keep the group informed.

Have not given up hope as yet. Hopefully seller upon realizing her error has apologetically requested the buyer to agree to cancelling the trade. Main points in favour of cancellation

1. it was obviously a low ball offer for such a quality example of the coin
2. the intended recipient was not even the actual winner!
3. selling the coin in that manner, with so many watchers, including long time buyers who must have spent many 1000s of dollars with the seller, over many years as a loyal customer, and who are probably, by far, their leading customer for this particular coin, was a little bit on the rude side , to put it very mildly indeed!

dtpapa - 2019-01-16 06:29:00
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dtpapa wrote:

I've emailed the seller, conveyed my great annoyance and asked for (demanded!) an explanation. As I write have not received a reply. I shall keep the group informed.

Have not given up hope as yet. Hopefully seller upon realizing her error has apologetically requested the buyer to agree to cancelling the trade. Main points in favour of cancellation

1. it was obviously a low ball offer for such a quality example of the coin
2. the intended recipient was not even the actual winner!
3. selling the coin in that manner, with so many watchers, including long time buyers who must have spent many 1000s of dollars with the seller, over many years as a loyal customer, and who are probably, by far, their leading customer for this particular coin, was a little bit on the rude side , to put it very mildly indeed!


Are you for real ?. It's the sellers auction they can do what they want.

pottynz - 2019-01-16 06:43:00
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pottynz wrote:


Are you for real ?. It's the sellers auction they can do what they want.

what's it to you, if you don't mind me asking?

Edited by dtpapa at 6:57 am, Wed 16 Jan

dtpapa - 2019-01-16 06:57:00
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oh, don't bother answering that, I think I know...

15 neutral feedbacks.
18 negative feedbacks...

Edited by dtpapa at 7:06 am, Wed 16 Jan

dtpapa - 2019-01-16 07:05:00
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dtpapa wrote:


2. the intended recipient was not even the actual winner!

No. 2 just means someone got in quicker. There's no way of restricting a live offer to a single bidder.

translateltd - 2019-01-16 07:14:00
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translateltd wrote:

No. 2 just means someone got in quicker. There's no way of restricting a live offer to a single bidder.

that's a fair point, and it indicates that the sellers brain was scrambled at the time. Having checked the fine print of the listing it seems evident why that might be. This further confirms that a cancellation is fully justified. I now expect to see the coin make a return to TM auction listings very shortly!

Edited by dtpapa at 7:39 am, Wed 16 Jan

dtpapa - 2019-01-16 07:33:00
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dtpapa wrote:

what's it to you, if you don't mind me asking?


Because I want to know if your wacky email to the seller is some perceived sense of entitlement or just a huge case of sour grapes from missing out on a nice coin.

pottynz - 2019-01-16 07:53:00
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pottynz wrote:


Because I want to know if your wacky email to the seller is some perceived sense of entitlement or just a huge case of sour grapes from missing out on a nice coin.

sense of entitlement? What a bizarre comment. My spidey sense is telling me you have had your fair share of "issues" as a seller!

dtpapa - 2019-01-16 07:58:00
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dtpapa wrote:

oh, don't bother answering that, I think I know...

15 neutral feedbacks.
18 negative feedbacks...


Not bad feedback for over 10,000 trades. Nearly all of that is selling so the expectation of running into the odd idiot every now and then is to be expected.Still on the subject of idiots , have you had an answer back yet ?

pottynz - 2019-01-16 08:00:00
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pottynz wrote:


Not bad feedback for over 10,000 trades. Nearly all of that is selling so the expectation of running into the odd idiot every now and then is to be expected.Still on the subject of idiots , have you had an answer back yet ?

here's a tip, the customer is always right! I have seen traders with a similar number of trades, and zero negative feedback. I shall keep you informed, as I said before.

dtpapa - 2019-01-16 08:05:00
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dtpapa wrote:

here's a tip, the customer is always right! I have seen traders with a similar number of trades, and zero negative feedback. I shall keep you informed, as I said before.


Ok , if you apply your own statement to the auction then davehaze is the customer and you missed out. It's just a case of sour grapes on your part then.

pottynz - 2019-01-16 08:55:00
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pottynz wrote:


Ok , if you apply your own statement to the auction then davehaze is the customer and you missed out. It's just a case of sour grapes on your part then.

I'm not sure I follow your logic? Sure as the customer he is within his rights not to agree to a cancellation. Although most fair minded people would probably agree that it is the right thing to do. From my limited dealings with Dave he seems to be a thoroughly decent sort of bloke. If you were the buyer in these circumstances would you not agree to a cancellation request?

dtpapa - 2019-01-16 09:04:00
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Interesting...................-
.....
Just out of curiosity what kind of postage does one get for $3.50? The reason i ask is that being a single coin $1.20 stamp in a letter would suffice unless it's tracked in a post bag or something similar yet that would cost $4.50 so just trying to understand the varying postage prices people put up.
trackstar1 (242 ) 11:08 pm, Wed 16 Jan
A. We take care to package things well. We have a full time employee doing this and it simply costs more than we get in return to do that. 11:08 am, Fri 18 Jan (mpower39)

So do i yet i don't charge extra postage for my time, it really annoys me when people clip the ticket on postage, you should not be making a cent off the postage only the goods sold, packaging and posting is just your part in completing the sale! Well on that note you've lost me as a bidder!
trackstar1 (242 ) 11:06 pm, Fri 18 Jan
A. And on that note you are blacklisted with us as a buyer. Any normal person simply includes any adjustment to their bid to offset any perceived difference. As we deal in quality items, 99.99% would much rather prefer we take our time to package things well using quality materials and effort. 1:38 pm, Sat 19 Jan (mpower39) .

alpha111 - 2019-01-20 13:10:00
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Anyone trying to make a living from on-line sales would have to be ruthlessly efficient at the packing and handling end to make it worthwhile - or somehow succeed in putting a huge markup on the items being sold. Some items - books in particular - can take me 20 minutes or more to pack carefully for posting, which it would be impossible to recoup if I were doing this as a 100% commercial venture. For anyone in business, a couple of dollars is a minute or two of someone's time, so it's very likely they're making a loss on that component, hardly clipping the ticket. My 2d (or $2) worth, anyway.
(My own p&h pricing is pretty much straight-through, btw., but as I say, I'm not trying to make a living from this ... yet.)

Edited by translateltd at 2:46 pm, Sun 20 Jan

translateltd - 2019-01-20 14:42:00
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O Bahama mule, Bahama mule, wherefore art thou Bahama mule?

dtpapa - 2019-01-21 20:04:00
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dtpapa wrote:

O Bahama mule, Bahama mule, wherefore art thou Bahama mule?

Will find out for you and report back tomorrow .

gammoner - 2019-01-21 23:13:00
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