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Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies and oldbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for oldbies and newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

No one has all the answers, and you may get five differing answers to the same question, yet each may be right in a manner of speaking, especially if opinions are involved. Opinions often vary. If you receive no answer to your query within 48 hours, please ask again.

translateltd - 2018-07-12 13:35:00
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pottynz wrote:

Can anyone shed some light on why the 1971 10 cent coin with a mintage of 2 mil plus is $80 in UNC ? whereas the set with only 20,000 catalogues at only $5 so not sure how that works out.Also the mintage either side of 1971 are about the same but showing prices well below ... cheers

I believe it's down to the different die varieties that year. The coins in the sets aren't the same as the circulating ones, whereas for the regular denominations in 1967, 69-70 and 1972-79 you could pop a coin out of a set and have an uncirculated example of that year's circulating type, if that makes sense. Because people weren't putting coins aside fresh from the bank in big numbers, it's that much harder to find a top-grade 1971 coin of the circulation-strike type.

Edited by translateltd at 1:39 pm, Thu 12 Jul

translateltd - 2018-07-12 13:38:00
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translateltd wrote:

I believe it's down to the different die varieties that year. The coins in the sets aren't the same as the circulating ones, whereas for the regular denominations in 1967, 69-70 and 1972-79 you could pop a coin out of a set and have an uncirculated example of that year's circulating type, if that makes sense. Because people weren't putting coins aside fresh from the bank in big numbers, it's that much harder to find a top-grade 1971 coin of the circulation-strike type.


Thanks martin , so how can I tell if an uncirculated 1971 10c is one of the circulated examples and not out of the set?
The reason I ask is that I bought an accumulation at auction and pretty much everything in it is UNC ... cheers

pottynz - 2018-07-12 13:50:00
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pottynz wrote:


Thanks martin , so how can I tell if an uncirculated 1971 10c is one of the circulated examples and not out of the set?
The reason I ask is that I bought an accumulation at auction and pretty much everything in it is UNC ... cheers

This is a gap I need to fill in the "varieties" section of the Bertrand catalogue! The key difference is that the circulating coins have a quite strong serif on the 7 in the date in particular. Have a look here - the "set" coin at the bottom is a little blurred but you can see the lines on the 7 are straight, with no serifs:

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/832071383.jpg

translateltd - 2018-07-12 14:57:00
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Which of these is EF?
A.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=1696382661&tm=email&
amp;et=41&mt=F6646CAA-6159-4024-8690-D8C049BAAE56

or
B.
https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/german-states-bava
ria-thaler-km-500.2-1754-1759-cuid-1139677-duid-1341357

puckles - 2018-07-13 18:36:00
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puckles wrote:

Which of these is EF?

With American grading I wouldn't be surprised if they both were :-) But I see the description says "EF detail", which is a nice catch-all. Bits of the coin are sharp enough to qualify, maybe?

translateltd - 2018-07-13 19:05:00
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both?
here's one graded EF
https://www.pcgs.com/valueview/bavaria/1755-thaler-d-1952/11
60?sn=869730&h=pop

dtpapa - 2018-07-14 08:07:00
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dtpapa wrote:

both?
here's one graded EF
https://www.pcgs.com/valueview/bavaria/1755-thaler-d-1952/11
60?sn=869730&h=pop

I think I'll sell up. All my Good Fine stuff should fetch a fortune with the new grades.

translateltd - 2018-07-14 08:14:00
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Hey all. My child is doing a Coke and copper coin science fair experiment. Any tips or links to info out there about why stuff happens? Thanks in advance.

loulou51 - 2018-07-16 01:40:00
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try youtube!

and search coke copper coin cleaning!!

dtpapa - 2018-07-16 06:38:00
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loulou51 wrote:

Hey all. My child is doing a Coke and copper coin science fair experiment. Any tips or links to info out there about why stuff happens? Thanks in advance.

How old is the child? If older, I'd suggest a range of solutions/liquids, e.g., lemon juice, baking soda/water, vinegar and distilled
water as a control.

Hint: Get some litmus paper.

Edited by echoriath at 7:28 pm, Mon 16 Jul

echoriath - 2018-07-16 19:28:00
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Hello all

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/837276454.jpg

I was looking for a crack fault on a 1964 florin and I found this florin with no N in second also faint N in Queen

lester36 - 2018-07-21 08:43:00
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lester36 wrote:

Hello all

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/837276454.jpg

I was looking for a crack fault on a 1964 florin and I found this florin with no N in second also faint N in Queen

Good find!

translateltd - 2018-07-21 15:57:00
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Interesting thread about a 1909 S Indian head cent that may be fake. Hard to tell from the photo but the recent 1892 CC Morgan dollar looked a bit sus.

chrisr5 - 2018-07-22 23:18:00
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chrisr5 wrote:

Interesting thread about a 1909 S Indian head cent that may be fake. Hard to tell from the photo but the recent 1892 CC Morgan dollar looked a bit sus.

Not actually sure about that one - there's better detail on the seller's coin (bottom of neck, shield) than on the aliexpress one, which looks a bit soapy.

translateltd - 2018-07-23 06:06:00
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I might end up in the sin bin again but................

chrisr5 - 2018-07-24 00:16:00
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chrisr5 wrote:

I might end up in the sin bin again but................

:-) The repeated listings of "rare dates" that are readily available from wholesalers does raise an eyebrow or two, now we've seen more of them.

translateltd - 2018-07-24 08:52:00
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I find it odd that someone selling an item ostensible worth hundreds would provide such crap photos. Even the additional photos added were not terribly clear. Also, the comments about cleaning became less clear over time: "No, it has not been cleaned at all. It has been stored like this ever since the day we received it and hasn't seen light until auction time. " That is saying it has not bee cleaned at all. Then later, it could be argued there's a bit of a hedge with "I have not cleaned it and it was graded by the previous seller". But someone else might have cleaned it, and grading of previous seller is being relied upon.

It does look very new, but the wire rim seems less than likely for the era. I have not looked at a lot of really decent Indian Head Cents, so I am hesitant to make strong assertions without having it in hand for a look. Still, if I was convinced of its authenticity, I'd probably own it now.

;-)

Edited by echoriath at 5:09 pm, Tue 24 Jul

echoriath - 2018-07-24 17:01:00
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When the auction title is a rejigging of the aliexpress heading........

Say it with me "hmmmmmmmm" - 1708405295

chrisr5 - 2018-07-28 02:21:00
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"hmmmmmmmmmmm"

wasgonna - 2018-07-28 07:56:00
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"hmmmmmmmmmmm" (to complete the harmony)

translateltd - 2018-07-28 11:15:00
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https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/841693772.jpg
an anyone help identify this coin it is only 15 mm across
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/841693823.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/841693729.jpg

Thanks in advance

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/841699938.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/841699879.jpg
And also this one Cheers.

Edited by lester36 at 7:27 pm, Sat 28 Jul

lester36 - 2018-07-28 19:12:00
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lester36 wrote:

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full
/841693772.jpg

an anyone help identify this coin it is only 15 mm across
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/841693823.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/841693729.jpg

Thanks in advance

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/841699938.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/841699879.jpg
And also this one Cheers.

First coin according to the characters is a China 5 cents made in Kirin province in Kuang-Hsu year (1875-1908).

duanmu - 2018-07-28 20:57:00
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lester36 wrote:

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/841699938.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/841699879.jpg
And also this one Cheers.

Second one here:

https://goo.gl/images/hujMAa

I thought it was a medal but this page says a coin from Udaipur in India, dated 1928 (Indian date 1985). Your first pic is upside down btw :-)

Look in Krause under "Mewar". There are 1/16, 1/8, 1/4, 1/2 and full rupees with the same design, depending on size.

Edited by translateltd at 7:37 am, Sun 29 Jul

translateltd - 2018-07-29 07:32:00
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translateltd wrote:


Look in Krause under "Mewar". There are 1/16, 1/8, 1/4, 1/2 and full rupees with the same design, depending on size.

I've just noticed the symbol at the top changes so that must be the denomination. Coin in the pic I found is a full rupee, yours looks to be a 1/8 if I have it right. Is it 15 mm?

translateltd - 2018-07-29 07:48:00
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Hi Martin Yes found it 1/8 rupee Thanks to both of you for your help.

lester36 - 2018-07-29 08:42:00
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Just looked it up in my copy of The standard guide to South Asian coins and found that they were actually minted between 1931-1932 .

lester36 - 2018-07-29 08:47:00
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lester36 wrote:

Just looked it up in my copy of The standard guide to South Asian coins and found that they were actually minted between 1931-1932 .

Cool. Wonder why they were backdated - unless the bureaucracy was just so slow it took that long to get them made.

translateltd - 2018-07-29 12:33:00
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echoriath wrote:

I find it odd that someone selling an item ostensible worth hundreds would provide such crap photos. Even the additional photos added were not terribly clear. Also, the comments about cleaning became less clear over time: "No, it has not been cleaned at all. It has been stored like this ever since the day we received it and hasn't seen light until auction time. " That is saying it has not bee cleaned at all. Then later, it could be argued there's a bit of a hedge with "I have not cleaned it and it was graded by the previous seller". But someone else might have cleaned it, and grading of previous seller is being relied upon.

It does look very new, but the wire rim seems less than likely for the era. I have not looked at a lot of really decent Indian Head Cents, so I am hesitant to make strong assertions without having it in hand for a look. Still, if I was convinced of its authenticity, I'd probably own it now.

;-)

I agree the rim is far too sharp for the claim of F12 and the detail in the headband ribbon is too good. I also think that although blurred the feather details are visible to the tips.

chrisr5 - 2018-07-31 16:59:00
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hmmm ... looks a bit like a BB? and judging by where the bidding is at a few others might think that also. The irony is that it could actually fetch more than it would if it was described correctly in the first place such is human nature, LoL!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1942-New-Zealand-Shilling-Silver-Fo
reign-Coin/352413919924?hash=item520d81aab4:g:w4gAAOSwjW5bV-
CR

Edited by dtpapa at 10:54 am, Wed 1 Aug

dtpapa - 2018-08-01 10:54:00
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What's a BB?

chrisr5 - 2018-08-06 10:51:00
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chrisr5 wrote:

What's a BB?

Lol Chris its call a broken back they came out in 1942-1958-1963-1965 shilling coins, see ya.

chefman1 - 2018-08-06 12:25:00
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The member deleted this message.

dtpapa - 2018-08-06 15:00:00
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here's a tip for ebayers in case you hadn't worked it out already!

if you get the following message

"The listing you’re looking for is no longer available ... blah blah blah

then what you need to do if you want to see the original listing is to click on the word listing as it appears above, and you should be taken to said listing, hopefully.....

dtpapa - 2018-08-06 15:02:00
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chefman1 wrote:

Lol Chris its call a broken back they came out in 1942-1958-1963-1965 shilling coins, see ya.


Ah, the link went to a florin. But as dtpapa says I probably missed the link.

Edited by chrisr5 at 12:49 pm, Tue 7 Aug

chrisr5 - 2018-08-07 12:48:00
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chrisr5 wrote:


Ah, the link went to a florin. But as dtpapa says I probably missed the link.

Sarcasm? The highly mysterious and sought-after broken back '42 florin?

translateltd - 2018-08-07 17:01:00
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chrisr5 wrote:


Ah, the link went to a florin. But as dtpapa says I probably missed the link.

the link is there, I told you how to get to it!

dtpapa - 2018-08-07 20:03:00
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The new film from Hollywood: Brokeback Shilling.

The story of a forbidden and secretive relationship between two numismatists, and their lives over the years.....

echoriath - 2018-08-07 23:51:00
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translateltd wrote:

Sarcasm? The highly mysterious and sought-after broken back '42 florin?

I wouldn't quite call it sarcasm

chrisr5 - 2018-08-08 17:40:00
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dtpapa wrote:

the link is there, I told you how to get to it!

Indeed you did

chrisr5 - 2018-08-08 17:41:00
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echoriath wrote:

The new film from Hollywood: Brokeback Shilling.

The story of a forbidden and secretive relationship between two numismatists, and their lives over the years.....

Aren't they concentrating on the eagle and the bear going at it hammer and tongues?

chrisr5 - 2018-08-08 17:42:00
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Most of you have probably noticed Big Mac coins on trademe this week.

Is this the first token to be redeemable in over 50 countries?

I took some photos and found some basic info on them here http://www.coinerrors.nz/big-mac-coins-tokens/

coinerrorsnz - 2018-08-11 00:06:00
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I went to two locations in Christchurch where Big Mac coins were given out. It was interesting that most of the people I spoke to said they would keep them rather than redeem them for burgers. Many were also unaware that there were five different coins available since you couldn't tell without bending the attached card to look at the other side.

paulmc - 2018-08-11 00:27:00
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Well it didn't take long - https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/6759/maccoin/

chrisr5 - 2018-08-11 10:53:00
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I'm tempted to make a snarky comment, but I fear I may be too far out of the loop on this, having not eaten at McDonald's in about 30 years. I have this terrible, sickening feeling that in some dystopian near-future, we may all be getting paid in the brave new currency called "Maccas". Bit coin, eat your heart out!

Edited by echoriath at 3:54 pm, Sat 11 Aug

echoriath - 2018-08-11 15:43:00
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chrisr5 wrote:

Aren't they concentrating on the eagle and the bear going at it hammer and tongues?

There's a visual I didn't need.

https://mashable.com/2016/05/14/vladimir-putin-kissing-donal
d-trump/#sBYqi2BsfaqB

echoriath - 2018-08-11 15:52:00
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Chinese going crazy over McDonalds MacCoins!
McDonald's China on Thursday denied its collectible MacCoin was a currency or cryptocurrency even as Chinese internet users traded the brass-colored souvenirs for several hundred yuan each on the country's e-commerce platforms.

"MacCoin is the world's first collectible coin whose value is supported by food," CEO Zhang Jiayin said on Thursday in a statement sent to the Global Times. "However, it has no cash value."

The MacCoin was nothing like a virtual currency like Bitcoin, Zhang noted, as it is tangible with a physical form.

Customers can redeem the MacCoin for a free Big Mac at a McDonald's restaurant.

A Big Mac costs 23 yuan ($3.7) on the Chinese mainland. But the value of the free coin has rocketed on Chinese e-commerce platforms like Alibaba's Taobao and Xianyu, an online second-hand trading platform.

A mint condition package of five coins was selling for up to 4,000 yuan as of press time, meaning each coin was worth about 800 yuan, or more than 30 times a Big Mac.

Regina Hui, vice president of communications at McDonald's China, told the Global Times that all MacCoins for Chinese customers were delivered on Monday, and the company was pleased with the fact that they showed so much love for the Big Mac and the coins.

To mark the 50th anniversary of the Big Mac, 2,500 designated McDonald's restaurants in the Chinese mainland delivered 1 million MacCoins free to Chinese consumers on Monday.

From 10:30 a.m., customers who sang the birthday song for the Big Mac at a participating restaurant would receive one MacCoin with a random design.

The collectible coins feature five unique designs, each representing a decade of the Big Mac and its influence on life, commerce and pop culture.

kiwisteven - 2018-08-12 00:30:00
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Their value will plummet again once the factories in Shanghai get in on the act.

translateltd - 2018-08-12 10:40:00
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I suppose they will be hot through the end of the year, when they apparently "expire" as redeemable things at Macca's. Until then, the market will get hotter, both for real ones and replicas.

Replica Big Mac coins? Good gods, what is the world coming to?

echoriath - 2018-08-12 22:54:00
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A quiet 9-sandy.....

echoriath - 2018-08-12 22:55:00
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