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Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies and oldbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for oldbies and newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

No one has all the answers, and you may get five differing answers to the same question, yet each may be right in a manner of speaking, especially if opinions are involved. Opinions often vary. If you receive no answer to your query within 48 hours, please ask again

chefman1 - 2017-10-02 20:19:00
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Hey Chefman - yea that listing was rather amusing. He asked for comments then did not like what I had to say. Oh well

coinerrorsnz - 2017-10-02 21:09:00
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Hey Jason - what was the story on this one - [The Sixpence is a nice error]
i saw your comment on that, - next thing he does this >>Withdrawn by seller.

chefman1 - 2017-10-02 21:30:00
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chefman1 wrote:

Hey Jason - what was the story on this one - [The Sixpence is a nice error]
i saw your comment on that, - next thing he does this >>Withdrawn by seller.

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/plusw/652420844.jpg

coinerrorsnz - 2017-10-03 08:06:00
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He has relisted the damaged shilling with a damaged 6d and basically told me to keep my opinion to myself lol

coinerrorsnz - 2017-10-03 08:07:00
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An interesting attempt at logic by the would be seller. Amusing comments.

chrisr5 - 2017-10-03 10:43:00
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Hello Chris, i see that you are living in Nelson now? what happened in auckland? cheers peter

chefman1 - 2017-10-03 10:53:00
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He's a social climber.

wasgonna - 2017-10-03 10:58:00
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chefman1 wrote:

Hello Chris, i see that you are living in Nelson now? what happened in auckland? cheers peter

That's old news!

Been down here a while now. As Wasgonna said a social climber! Been looking to get out of Auckland for years and preferably to Mainland!

chrisr5 - 2017-10-03 11:25:00
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coinerrorsnz wrote:

He has relisted the damaged shilling with a damaged 6d and basically told me to keep my opinion to myself lol

I think he's deleted that bit from the description!

dtpapa - 2017-10-03 20:41:00
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Is there somewhere you can take coins to in Christchurch that can advise me on their value? My dad had a collection of old coins and I have no idea on what is worth money or what isn't. Thank you in advance.

chickalamb - 2017-10-05 10:11:00
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What countries and date ranges have you got?
Are you looking for replacement values for insurance reasons, or are you wanting to sell them?
With a bit of effort, there's a good deal of expertise here to get you started.

Edited by echoriath at 9:01 pm, Thu 5 Oct

echoriath - 2017-10-05 20:54:00
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Hi all,

Not sure if I should post this here (happy to delete if not the right place!)

I've just inherited a collection of coins from my grandfather, with a fairly long list of coins labelled in the below scans. Most coins are in average condition (circulated), some of the really old coins are pretty worn. I guess I'm curious to know if anything listed here may actually be of value? It seems 2 coins stand out - a 1908 half gold sovereign and a 1935 threepence. I have no idea on really most of them though!

A couple of basic photos of a small portion of the coins:
http://iforce.co.nz/i/ck3uqv4f.ugu.jpg
http://iforce.co.nz/i/uqxedfnu.j43.jpg

NZ Coins list:
http://iforce.co.nz/i/edpj20ia.vtw.png
http://iforce.co.nz/i/s41snnac.522.png
http://iforce.co.nz/i/imawfw3v.pu1.png

Unusual Coins (including some NZ):
http://iforce.co.nz/i/bjudtmoh.4ki.png

Australia:
http://iforce.co.nz/i/3mtrqedn.4mp.png

Britain:
http://iforce.co.nz/i/hsbjbpyi.pym.png
http://iforce.co.nz/i/a54bgdar.wqu.png
http://iforce.co.nz/i/qtjogg0f.szm.png

South Pacific:
http://iforce.co.nz/i/10jzus11.xgn.png

Other countries:
http://iforce.co.nz/i/3cn1tgzv.h5g.png
http://iforce.co.nz/i/q2yl2zpn.2nv.png
http://iforce.co.nz/i/ey5xb0jd.ucj.png

deano_87 - 2017-10-09 20:32:00
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There are many World Coin Catalogues available online if you have patience and plenty of time. There may be people on here who enjoy sifting through your lists but without close up photos of actual coin then a lot of approx values would be the best thing you could get. Good luck.

wasgonna - 2017-10-09 21:20:00
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deano_87 wrote:

Hi all,

Not sure if I should post this here (happy to delete if not the right place!)

I've just inherited a collection of coins from my grandfather, with a fairly long list of coins labelled in the below scans. Most coins are in average condition (circulated), some of the really old coins are pretty worn. I guess I'm curious to know if anything listed here may actually be of value? It seems 2 coins stand out - a 1908 half gold sovereign and a 1935 threepence. I have no idea on really most of them though!

Britain:
http://iforce.co.nz/i/qtjogg0f.szm.png

Yes, the half sovereign will have its gold value at the very least, and the 1935 threepence is another goodie, especially if the condition is right. Your US half dollars, quarters and dimes dated 1964 and earlier are made of 90% silver. If you post close-up photos of both sides of the US 1917 dime, 1928 quarter and 1923 nickel, I'd be glad to offer an estimate of insurance replacement value. If you get more than half that amount at auction, you'll have done well.

That begs a question:
Are you looking to sell these?

Ultimately, the market sets the value. The coins will be worth whatever someone is willing to pay.

echoriath - 2017-10-09 23:51:00
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You could chuck up pictures of the 1935 and 1936 nickels just for the heck of it.

With regards to any of your coins, the older they are while looking new, the more valuable they will tend to be. If they are old and LOOK old, they are less likely to be valuable.

echoriath - 2017-10-09 23:55:00
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And whatever you do, don't clean or polish the coins.........

chrisr5 - 2017-10-10 10:44:00
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Mostly New Zealand coins. Should I take some photos and post on here?

echoriath wrote:

What countries and date ranges have you got?
Are you looking for replacement values for insurance reasons, or are you wanting to sell them?
With a bit of effort, there's a good deal of expertise here to get you started.

chickalamb - 2017-10-10 17:52:00
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Yes, posting photos here is a good starting point.

echoriath - 2017-10-11 20:27:00
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Thanks for the replies! I've uploaded a couple of photos of the 5 US coins that were mentioned below. The coins are in pretty well used condition. If anyone has any ballpark idea of what any of those coins would be worth I'd be curious :)

http://iforce.co.nz/i/jdc1ii4n.l52.jpg
http://iforce.co.nz/i/5hk2n2mn.fm2.jpg

deano_87 - 2017-10-11 21:07:00
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deano_87 wrote:

Thanks for the replies! I've uploaded a couple of photos of the 5 US coins that were mentioned below. The coins are in pretty well used condition. If anyone has any ballpark idea of what any of those coins would be worth I'd be curious :)

http://iforce.co.nz/i/jdc1ii4n.l52.jpg
http://iforce.co.nz/i/5hk2n2mn.fm2.jpg

There are two main "values" when we speak of collectible items: insurance replacement and market value, the former being the value if you went into a specialist store to buy something at retail value to replace a lost/stolen item, the latter being what any person might be willing to pay if someone is privately onselling. Market value is a bit of a moving target, since, for example, the same item sold on TradeMe today might realise a different price from the exact same thing sold on TradeMe six weeks or six years later. It depends on supply and demand, credibility of the seller, quality of photos, etc.

As for determining the values of coins, that's largely a function of rarity and condition, but demand again enters into it. If you like cars at all, they're a good thing to compare with. Consider the difference between a 1966 Shelby Mustang with all factory original parts and paint, compared to a 1974 Mustang that's a yard ornament. You can even turn the tables and the munted 1966 is probably still more valuable than the 1974. Apologies if you're not a car person, as the comparison may not make much sense.

Anyway, with regards to your coins, I'll give you my personal assessment of them (condition and dollar value) based on your photos, and doing this from photos is a tad tricky. Opinions on grading will vary. One of the challenges with grading is that one side of a coin can grade better than the other, and some of yours fall into this category, especially the 1923-S Bison. Standard practice is to grade it to the poorer side. My information comes from the Yeoman Red Book, a guide that gives replacement value, so if you got half of that on TradeMe, you'll have a win.

1923-S Bison Nickel - Fine - U$30
1935-S Bison Nickel - Very Fine - U$2.50
1936-D Bison Nickel - Extremely Fine - U$4
1917 Winged Liberty Dime - Very Good - U$3.25
1928-S* Standing Liberty Quarter - Very Fine - U$22

The letters "S" and "D" tell us where the coins were made, "S" referring to the San Francisco Mint, and "D" to Denver. The absence of a mint mark means it was made in Philadelphia, though they started putting a "P" on in the late 20th Century.

The Bison Nickels are generally called "Buffalo" nickels, but, strictly speaking, buffalo are not native to North America. Your 1923-S is a funny one. They had a lot of production issues with these in certain years, and relatively poor looking ones can grade up a bit. The bison side is better than the heads side, but I've graded it down based on that. In the next grade, that coin has a book value of U$135.

The quarter and dime also have a silver content value independent of their collectible value. The damage to the dime arguably reduces it to scrap value, which is somewhere in excess of one NZ dollar, and the scrap value of the quarter is about four dollars NZ.

If you want to sell these on TradeMe, my advice would be to list them along with any other US coins, but make sure these and any coins of similar age feature alongside them. That would include the 1940s half dollars, which have a scrap value of about seven dollars NZ each, though if they are in good nick they could go for quite a bit more. Also the 1940s quarters are worth at least NZ $3 each in terms of scrap, though condition may drive their value up for the right person.

*This looks

echoriath - 2017-10-11 22:30:00
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This is a very useful site for making your own assessments of condition of US coins:

https://www.pcgs.com/photograde/

There is another part of that site that lists replacement values for coins that they have been graded by them, so another level of value again:
https://www.pcgs.com/prices/

echoriath - 2017-10-11 22:32:00
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Bump, before we get overlooked by new folks with coin-related queries.

translateltd - 2017-10-18 10:24:00
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Hi Peter, those were cheap 9 silver shillings
All the best
Alan

gammoner - 2017-10-22 20:09:00
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Auction for a Waitangi starting at $0.99!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-ZEALAND-1935-SILVER-CROWN-VARIE
TY-WAITANGI-PCGS-PR63-/311983150489?hash=item48a3a51599:g:~f
oAAOSwQS1Z55VM

dtpapa - 2017-10-22 22:46:00
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Good to see he won't ship to Australia . . . I don't like them either.

wasgonna - 2017-10-23 11:00:00
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So what do the coiners think that Waitangi will end up at ? It is now over $US3k.
And if buyer brings it back here there will be GST on arrival -- yes/no ?

Edited by funho1 at 12:39 pm, Thu 26 Oct

funho1 - 2017-10-26 12:39:00
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They could always list it as face value on the shipping consignment then they wouldn't have to pay GST, otherwise yes.

chrisr5 - 2017-10-26 16:57:00
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Listing 1447184231
When does a counterfiet/forgery become a reproduction
Does the NZ Treasury / Reserve bank allow these to be sold or traded ?
The report this listing is not showing on my TM page either

gammoner - 2017-10-26 17:57:00
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gammoner wrote:

Listing 1447184231
When does a counterfiet/forgery become a reproduction
Does the NZ Treasury / Reserve bank allow these to be sold or traded ?
The report this listing is not showing on my TM page either

Hello Alan, theses coin's have been on trademe for awhile now, some trader down south were selling them first but i did not know untill i received one, i think Jason = errorcoins might have some as-well or you can buy them from china.

chefman1 - 2017-10-26 20:24:00
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NZ reproductions will get removed by trademe if reported if they do not get removed let me know I will contact the reserve bank and get them removed. This goes for all pre-decimal and decimal coins legal tender or not.

Sorry I missed this one (bad week) I tend to report a few auctions a week and take screenshots of repeat offenders.

coinerrorsnz - 2017-10-26 20:48:00
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chefman1 wrote:


i think Jason = errorcoins might have some as-well or you can buy them from china.

Yes I do have a number of NZ replicas (will never be for sale btw) that I show to warn collectors of the quality and that they do exist. I have showed these to a number of staff at the RBNZ and NZPost and they are as annoyed as collectors are that they exist. I tried to get one of the 1949 crowns twice from china but they never arrived.

coinerrorsnz - 2017-10-26 20:52:00
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bad week allright, did i say that you were selling them - no - but i do remember that you were trying to buy one from china.

if they do come up for sale on trademe i will bid for them.

chefman1 - 2017-10-26 21:23:00
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coinerrorsnz wrote:

Yes I do have a number of NZ replicas (will never be for sale btw) that I show to warn collectors of the quality and that they do exist. I have showed these to a number of staff at the RBNZ and NZPost and they are as annoyed as collectors are that they exist. I tried to get one of the 1949 crowns twice from china but they never arrived.

Hi Jason and Peter,
Yes I would not want to purchase these.
Just another nail in the coffin for coin collecting.

gammoner - 2017-10-26 21:23:00
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Comeon guys, what is this really worth ?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-ZEALAND-1935-SILVER-CROWN-VARIE

TY-WAITANGI-PCGS-PR63-/3119831-
50489?hash=item48a3a51599:g:~f-

oAAOSwQS1Z55VM

funho1 - 2017-10-27 21:38:00
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Comeon guys, what is this really worth ?

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-ZEALAND-1935-SILVER-CROWN-VA
RIETY-WAITANGI-PCGS-PR63/311983150489?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBI
DX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

Edited by funho1 at 9:40 pm, Fri 27 Oct

funho1 - 2017-10-27 21:38:00
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I think the auction might decide what it's worth

chrisr5 - 2017-10-28 14:09:00
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Of course. But what is your estimate, Chris ?

funho1 - 2017-10-28 14:31:00
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funho1 wrote:

Comeon guys, what is this really worth ?

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-ZEALAND-1935-SILVER-CROWN-VA
RIETY-WAITANGI-PCGS-PR63/311983150489?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBI
DX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

looks like a fairly nice coin to me!
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/34265155

I'd even agree with the seller that it is better than its grade given by pcgs, cliched claim as that might be!

My guess would be it will sell for 4,000-4,500 USD.

dtpapa - 2017-10-28 16:47:00
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hmmm .. I wonder what was happening here?
http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/search/?sale=70&p=1&
;c=754

seems some quite high prices for the day??

dtpapa - 2017-10-28 16:57:00
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dtpapa wrote:

hmmm .. I wonder what was happening here?
http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/search/?sale=70&p=1&
;c=754

seems some quite high prices for the day??

Sure was for year 2002 prices

gammoner - 2017-10-28 18:41:00
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here's another waitangi auction, looks a bit dodgy though LoL!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-New-Zealand-Waitangi-Crown-in-
2x2-folder-UNC-RARE/162727287287?hash=item25e34d59f7:g:TVoAA
OSwY~lZ89cg

dtpapa - 2017-10-29 07:27:00
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its very dodgy that one, if you have a look at the lettering on the [WAITANGI] and have a look at post 8640 picture,very interesting.

chefman1 - 2017-10-29 10:01:00
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funho1 wrote:

Of course. But what is your estimate, Chris ?

US$6000 wouldn't surprise me it is a very good example and as Dtpapa says seems to grade higher than it was given by PCGS

chrisr5 - 2017-10-29 16:10:00
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dtpapa wrote:

here's another waitangi auction, looks a bit dodgy though LoL!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-New-Zealand-Waitangi-Crown-in-
2x2-folder-UNC-RARE/162727287287?hash=item25e34d59f7:g:TVoAA
OSwY~lZ89cg

You would win understatement of the year with that comment

chrisr5 - 2017-10-29 16:13:00
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funho1 wrote:

Of course. But what is your estimate, Chris ?

US$5350 for the hammer price

chrisr5 - 2017-11-03 15:37:00
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Hi, can anyone tell me the rough value of a coin I have. It is a gold sovereign George IV, shield back, dated 1825. Thankyou if anyone can help.

charlsmum - 2017-11-04 15:10:00
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charlsmum wrote:

Hi, can anyone tell me the rough value of a coin I have. It is a gold sovereign George IV, shield back, dated 1825. Thankyou if anyone can help.

Here is a page with some rough values in pounds UK (your is the type 2). - http://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk/values/sov.html

If you have some photos and the weight we can probably give you some guesses as to condition and authenticity. The weight will be about 7 or 8 grams on kitchen scales, significantly different will be inaccurate scales or a possible forgery.

chrisr5 - 2017-11-04 15:27:00
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dtpapa wrote:

here's another waitangi auction, looks a bit dodgy though LoL!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-New-Zealand-Waitangi-Crown-in-
2x2-folder-UNC-RARE/162727287287?hash=item25e34d59f7:g:TVoAA
OSwY~lZ89cg

not long to go and not yet reached 3000NZD someone could get a bargain!!

dtpapa - 2017-11-06 21:23:00
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dtpapa wrote:

not long to go and not yet reached 3000NZD someone could get a bargain!!

How many people here reported it to the host company as dodgy?

translateltd - 2017-11-07 06:49:00
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