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Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies and oldbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for oldbies and newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

No one has all the answers, and you may get five differing answers to the same question, yet each may be right in a manner of speaking, especially if opinions are involved. Opinions often vary. If you receive no answer to your query within 48 hours, please ask again.

echoriath - 2017-02-12 16:19:00
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echoriath wrote:

You're onto it. Just look in amongst the columns of the Truman Memorial.

Oh. I just wanted to see the other ear.

translateltd - 2017-02-12 20:16:00
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mudeki wrote:

interesting it must be the other security company that I dont deal with much as I am still getting the narrow date mint rolls :-( Will have to make some calls on Monday see if any are still around

id be interested to hear how you get on, i didnt see what the rolls wrap was as in other coins. plot thickens i guess.
i have some 30 coins wide date now to.

derail - 2017-02-13 14:13:00
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I am starting to feel really old if some of these are considered ancient

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mudeki - 2017-02-15 00:35:00
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mudeki wrote:

I am starting to feel really old if some of these are considered ancient

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I'm feeling positively prehistoric!

translateltd - 2017-02-15 12:58:00
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Hmm... Mowbray have graded their 2 Waitangi crowns gEF and VF(!!!)

Edited by dtpapa at 6:17 pm, Wed 15 Feb

dtpapa - 2017-02-15 18:13:00
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dtpapa wrote:

Hmm... Mowbray have graded their 2 Waitangi crowns gEF and VF(!!!)

Look along the line of the king's nose on the second one (348) - doubling?

translateltd - 2017-02-15 19:39:00
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translateltd wrote:

Look along the line of the king's nose on the second one (348) - doubling?

yes it does look like it, although can't see it elsewhere??

dtpapa - 2017-02-15 19:45:00
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translateltd wrote:

Look along the line of the king's nose on the second one (348) - doubling?

I would think more something to do with lighting in the photo. Will have to make a note to look at it and check

mudeki - 2017-02-15 21:53:00
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wonder how long it was in circulation before it was pocketed!!

dtpapa - 2017-02-16 09:10:00
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Rather rough. The line seems to just be a continuation of that scratch?

numismatist - 2017-02-16 12:55:00
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okay which one of you morons is responsible?

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dtpapa - 2017-02-17 09:09:00
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dtpapa wrote:

okay which one of you morons is responsible?

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Maybe the same goof that buffed up a multimillion-dollar US rarity a while back?

translateltd - 2017-02-17 10:43:00
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Hey guys quick question the Milner & Thompson Trade tokens is there any that are more sought after than the other?. And whats the different prices on the variants? In the Catalogue it just has the one price for the Advance New Zealand one.....

cashintheattic - 2017-02-17 15:34:00
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cashintheattic wrote:

Hey guys quick question the Milner & Thompson Trade tokens is there any that are more sought after than the other?. And whats the different prices on the variants? In the Catalogue it just has the one price for the Advance New Zealand one.....

Lampard (1981) lists three varieties of the 34mm series and six for the 32mm series. They're all much of a muchness, price-wise, though the obverse mule in the small series ("instruments" obverse matched with "SOLE AGENTS" obverse) was priced about 20% higher at the time. The corresponding reverse mule in the small series (standing Maori figure/Maori with taiaha) is excessively rare. Be careful, though, as the "reverse mule" type in the large series is as common as all the others. I thought I'd made a "find" once till I measured it properly :-)

translateltd - 2017-02-17 15:59:00
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Hi Martin I have just emailed you something can you please look it over?

cashintheattic - 2017-02-17 16:23:00
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Is there a danger of this happening to coins/notes, especially as we find ourselves in an increasingly cashless economy?

http://www.nextavenue.org/nobody-wants-parents-stuff/

echoriath - 2017-02-18 18:01:00
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Just got this email from Trade Me - I say two things wrong at least:- a)All coins pre 1965 have been demonetised and are not payable any more - and b) and as a top seller I have the right to phone on a 0800 number

I‘m getting in touch about your listing(s) on Trade Me:

4 Silver Plated Copies of Crowns size coins (#1264504106)

I am sure you have listed with the best intentions on the site, but unfortunately we don’t allow this to be sold on Trade Me.

This is because in this case Alan, The New Zealand Crown although dated, is still redeemable at the Reserve Bank of New Zealand making the Crown you are selling counterfeit currency and not permitted to be sold in NZ, even with the hole drilled in place. The Reserve Bank will always pay face value for currency that has been legally issued for use in New Zealand but has ceased to be legal tender (including pre-decimal currency).

With that in mind, I’ve had to remove your listing from the site. Not to worry, though, I have refunded any relevant fees back to your Trade Me account.

If you're uncertain about anything else that may appear on our list of banned and restricted items you can take a look through the following link:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/help/331/banned-restricted-items

Here’s also some more information on our general listing policies:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/help/516/listing-policies

I hope that all makes sense and I’m sorry we could not accommodate your listing this time around. Please don’t hesitate to get in touch with myself or my colleagues if you have any questions about this or anything else. We’re here to help 24/7 and you can contact us on 0900 TRADE (87233). Please be aware that these calls cost $1.99 per minute, plus GST, but you are more than welcome to reply to this email for free anytime.

kiwialan - 2017-02-19 14:12:00
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echoriath wrote:

Is there a danger of this happening to coins/notes, especially as we find ourselves in an increasingly cashless economy?

http://www.nextavenue.org/nobody-wants-parents-stuff/[/quote
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As a semi retired Licenced dealer and x Auction house owner what's happening is this. First there is so much throwaway "junk" being made and sold that has a very short life, even furniture that it is useless after a short period. Yes I will agree that prices of good "stuff" has gone downhill, I can state that a piece of kauri furniture that I sold 23 years ago for $2,500 will now sell for about $400. 50 years ago it would have sold for $200. However top of the range stuff will still get top dollar plus, but it's got to be top of the range.. The rest of the stuff, about 80% will still sell, there will always be collectors around

kiwialan - 2017-02-19 14:24:00
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kiwialan wrote:

Just got this email from Trade Me - I say two things wrong at least:- a)All coins pre 1965 have been demonetised and are not payable any more -.

That's a difficult one. All coins of half-crown and below have been demonetised but I understand the RB will still redeem them at face along with the large, pre-2006 decimals. So they're not legal tender but still redeemable. I don't have chapter and verse on the crowns but don't recall ever seeing reference to their being demonetised, just as the crown-sized 1967-90 dollars escaped demonetisation by being left out of the 2006 regulation (as far as I was told by our RB contact at the time, anyway). Would the predecimal crowns, despite their different face value, also have been exempted in the same way?

translateltd - 2017-02-19 15:31:00
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Sorry Allan but part of what was worked on to remove fake Waitangi crowns from trademe last year. Waitangi crowns have been copied in ruff form but also in proof looking form and in Fake replica slabs. I worked with a contact at the reserve bank last year to confirm that all predecimal coins are still redeemable by the reserve bank so any replica of any NZ coin Decimal or pre Decimal is not allowed to be sold on trademe and the RBNZ have backed us up in emails to get some Chinese reproductions removed in the past.

The advantage is this should help keep NZ reproductions from being sold in NZ where the largest potential market is for them and hopefully (but not likely) we see less in the future . This also stops inexperienced collectors from being ripped off. For example I have reported about 15 traders that have tried to sell fake Lord of the Rings coins in the last few years all of these coins they have tried to sell have been removed by trademe

http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/faqs/notes-and-coins-faqs

under the first tab
What should I do if I have any old or damaged notes or coins?

Edited by mudeki at 9:37 pm, Sun 19 Feb

mudeki - 2017-02-19 21:31:00
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Thanks for that, I now know better Cheers Alan

kiwialan - 2017-02-20 11:42:00
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What is going on with 1266095364 ??
Relisted at lower price, suddenly price goes up & ends at midnight ??
Must have had a good offer .... ???

funho1 - 2017-02-20 18:35:00
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Someone's gone to a lot of bother to join and then hammer out the edges of a British and an NZ halfpenny: 1266247883

translateltd - 2017-02-21 17:36:00
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I've struggled to lay hands on mint-fresh rolls of one and two dollar coins, but in the last month or so have gotten about half a dozen of the former and one of the latter. I've noticed that if there is a particular defect, it is present on up to half the coins in the roll. In this case of the one dollar coins, I have found them with the goatee on the effigy, as well as the die crack running along from the bottom right up onto the bottom of the effigy, almost parallel with the bottom.

From memory, they have all been Armorguard rolls, rather than mint rolls. What happens in the process that so many of the same error can show up in one roll?

Side note: I picked up three rolls of 20-cent coins today, all Armorguard rolls. I got nine narrow dates and five wide dates.

echoriath - 2017-02-26 00:06:00
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$1 and $2 coins come from the Royal mint in $1000 bags not in rolls. The security companies order a large box / pallet of $1 then tip them into the rolling machine so no reserve bank rolled $1 & $2 should exist to my knowledge. Each box should contain coins made from one die pair so if you find one error you will find a few of them. If you find no error it is frustrating haha.

I worked at a school gala yesterday helping with the $$ and they ordered rolls from armourguard for the float and all were wide date variety. Sadly they had opened them all bit I still picked up $20 worth in bags. I will have to try armourguard again for rolls.

mudeki - 2017-02-26 09:07:00
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Dollar rolls come like these ones I got 3 years ago (sadly no major errors in this lot) I had to pay a builder for some renovations to the house after we moved in and he gave me a hard time about being a coin collector so for a laugh I tried to pay in $1 coins. He didn't take it and it took me a long time to deposit it back to the bank (after checking them) and longer for me to pay him but was well worth the look and the laughs

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/560493749.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/560493657.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/560493469.jpg

mudeki - 2017-02-26 09:19:00
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I see this has sold 1246972449

As I recall it initially went for around $50 (a bargain!), was quickly sold on for $195(?), but it has taken a fair while for a buyer willing to pay $350 to come along.

Shows what a little patience can do!!
(seems same buyer bought up most of the sellers other stock!!)

dtpapa - 2017-02-26 10:52:00
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oldecurb - 2017-02-26 17:21:00
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Hey Oldecurb sorry I haven't received any emails. I was going to contact you this evening. I will send you an email now.

Cheers

Ronnie

cashintheattic - 2017-02-27 17:25:00
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Hi coin club, I have a question for you!

I discovered three 5c coins recently (a customer tried to pay with them would you believe?).

There is a '94 coin that appears to not have the grooves all around the rim. Did they change it at some point? I couldn't find any information about such a change. Thanks for any information

apinchin - 2017-02-28 09:35:00
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Some years were prone to having the edge milling not very well struck up, so a combination of weak strike and a bit of wear could make it look like the milling was missed out entirely. There should be traces if you squint up close still.

translateltd - 2017-02-28 14:24:00
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Ah-ha! Thanks for the info. That is probably it. Putting the coins in order, it looks like production values were going cheaper and cheaper as time went by.

apinchin - 2017-02-28 16:17:00
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Evening all i am back from the dead

Edited by chefman1 at 9:45 pm, Wed 1 Mar

chefman1 - 2017-03-01 21:44:00
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chefman1 wrote:

Evening all i am back from the dead

Welcome back!

translateltd - 2017-03-01 21:50:00
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translateltd wrote:

Welcome back!

And I am back from a fishing trip to the Chathams

gammoner - 2017-03-03 23:07:00
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gammoner wrote:

And I am back from a fishing trip to the Chathams

Consider my greeting extended to everyone who's been away for a while :-)

translateltd - 2017-03-04 08:43:00
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Hi will the nz 20cent coin 2015 have 2 date types?

35 - 2017-03-04 15:40:00
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35 wrote:

Hi will the nz 20cent coin 2015 have 2 date types?

Unlikely unless the Canadians decide to recut the dies again, which probably shouldn't need to be done for a few years yet. You never know, though - keep watching for good measure.

translateltd - 2017-03-04 17:43:00
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Welcome back, chefman & gammoner!

echoriath - 2017-03-04 20:11:00
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I got two 2015 20c coins last week. Both had small dates.
Just thinking that maybe more 2015 coins around Wellington area ??

derail - 2017-03-04 23:17:00
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derail wrote:

I got two 2015 20c coins last week. Both had small dates.
Just thinking that maybe more 2015 coins around Wellington area ??

It would be interesting to compare the reverse detail on the 2015 coins - to me, the ones I've seen so far don't look quite as "sharp" as the narrow-date 2014s, which makes me wonder if a different hub/die has been used for the 2015 coins, rather than just changing the date digits on the obv.

translateltd - 2017-03-05 10:20:00
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chefman1 wrote:

Evening all i am back from the dead

... And you are?

dtpapa - 2017-03-05 10:53:00
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dtpapa wrote:

... And you are?

you will fine out sooner or later..xoxo

chefman1 - 2017-03-05 14:27:00
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echoriath wrote:

Welcome back, chefman & gammoner!

thankyou tim

chefman1 - 2017-03-05 14:28:00
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translateltd wrote:

Welcome back!

thankyou Martin

chefman1 - 2017-03-05 14:28:00
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gammoner wrote:

And I am back from a fishing trip to the Chathams

Hello Alan long time no see?

chefman1 - 2017-03-05 14:30:00
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chefman1 wrote:

Hello Alan long time no see?

Hi Peter, good to see you are still alive and kicking
All the best
Alan

gammoner - 2017-03-06 22:57:00
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Welcome back Chefman

mudeki - 2017-03-07 00:37:00
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... and over to the next page.

translateltd - 2017-03-07 08:59:00
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