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very low resolution photo of that 1942 BB shilling on the pcgs site, usually they have very high quality pics?

http://www.pcgs.com/cert/80373173

Also, the population report seems to be incorrect, unless it is for a genuine BB, even though they appear to have mislabeled the one on trademe?

dtpapa - 2016-07-23 16:03:00
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echoriath - 2016-07-23 17:51:00
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dtpapa wrote:

very low resolution photo of that 1942 BB shilling on the pcgs site, usually they have very high quality pics?

http://www.pcgs.com/cert/80373173

Also, the population report seems to be incorrect, unless it is for a genuine BB, even though they appear to have mislabeled the one on trademe?

Just 1 at MS63 broken back.

http://www.pcgs.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=534284
http://www.pcgs.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=501311

numismatist - 2016-07-23 23:23:00
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everyone got that message from noble?

If they are really going to start declaring full value on parcels then how can they also charge gst? Legal opinions?

dtpapa - 2016-07-25 20:06:00
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okay any ideas what happened here?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-New-Zealand-3-Pence-PCGS-MS67-/
282104526703?hash=item41aebd776f:g:UecAAOSwRgJXjB1Y

is it a proof??

Edited by dtpapa at 8:10 pm, Mon 25 Jul

dtpapa - 2016-07-25 20:08:00
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Cant remember how it all works but they only charge gst on the buyers premium but then we get stuck with the import duties for sure now. In the past it was hit and miss as they put an amount on the box but no invoice was included with it. Depending on what you are buying it would almost be cheaper to fly over and pick the stuff up now.

mudeki - 2016-07-25 20:22:00
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mudeki wrote:

Cant remember how it all works but they only charge gst on the buyers premium but then we get stuck with the import duties for sure now. In the past it was hit and miss as they put an amount on the box but no invoice was included with it. Depending on what you are buying it would almost be cheaper to fly over and pick the stuff up now.

Just like auction houses here, they put GST on the buyer's premium since that's the "value added" component (the part that isn't paid out to the vendor). I don't see the connection between this and declaring full value, which is a legal requirement anyway. The NZ Customs will charge you GST on the total (including postage), but in theory should offset the GST on the foreign GST component, so you don't get a double hit that way. You may need to argue the case as it may not be offered automatically.
I find English sellers tend to deduct the VAT from the bill at their end if you're overseas, so that issue doesn't arise. The Aussies won't, for some reason.

translateltd - 2016-07-26 07:42:00
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dtpapa wrote:

okay any ideas what happened here?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-New-Zealand-3-Pence-PCGS-MS67-/
282104526703?hash=item41aebd776f:g:UecAAOSwRgJXjB1Y

is it a proof??

Nice ghosting on both sides! Unless it came with convincing documentation (not sure what that would be, in reality), I'd assume any 1965 "proofs" to be the semi-proof issues from the polished sets. The likelihood of loose items being from one of the 10 VIP full proof sets is pretty slim - and there are those who doubt whether there was any difference between the two anyway, other than packaging/presentation.

translateltd - 2016-07-26 07:47:00
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It was my impression that noble were in effect including gst in the buyers premium. At a rate of 19.25%, no matter how much you spend, it is quite high, I would have thought?

dtpapa - 2016-07-26 15:48:00
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my noble bid was apparently accepted, but not submitted? Anyone know what that could mean? If the same fate befalls my other bids I'm going to be mightily p!ssed off, let me tell you!!

dtpapa - 2016-07-26 15:50:00
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that should have read submitted, not accepted.

dtpapa - 2016-07-26 16:19:00
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dtpapa wrote:

my noble bid was apparently accepted, but not submitted? Anyone know what that could mean? If the same fate befalls my other bids I'm going to be mightily p!ssed off, let me tell you!!

Best to ask them that one directly. Maybe your bid was below the current starting bid, assuming they've had lots of interest already. When I've been in the room I've sometimes seen the call for bids start at twice the estimate or more, since they know it will have to go for more than the 2nd-highest postal bid anyway before they even start.

translateltd - 2016-07-26 16:36:00
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Is this a torn robe error or is it something else like a die crack, compare to the next coin
http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=304977

iamriff - 2016-07-26 18:02:00
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The member deleted this message.

dtpapa - 2016-07-26 20:14:00
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I think torn robe is just a fancy way to describe a die crack? That florin is a real beauty though, it has to be said. The next coin ain't too bad either!

dtpapa - 2016-07-26 20:58:00
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I have been looking at a few "torn robe" and I guess that one isn't quite that variety as most of them have raised cracks, maybe this particular coin is a sample of the die just as it was cracking, hard to say but I would still love something like that in my collection...cheers

iamriff - 2016-07-26 22:18:00
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Now how does this happen?

below is what it shows in my watchlist
2006 Otago Gold Rush 1/2 OZ Gold proof RARE!!!! Pay Now Icon
Closes: Wed 27 Jul 9:15 pm (#1127324885)
$1,001.02 Outbid
Your last bid was $1,002.34

When you look at the auction shows my last bid is leading

gammoner - 2016-07-27 20:31:00
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gammoner wrote:

Now how does this happen?

below is what it shows in my watchlist
2006 Otago Gold Rush 1/2 OZ Gold proof RARE!!!! Pay Now Icon
Closes: Wed 27 Jul 9:15 pm (#1127324885)
$1,001.02 Outbid
Your last bid was $1,002.34

When you look at the auction shows my last bid is leading

That has happened to me a couple of times. If your autobid is less than the minimum increment above the next-highest bid, yours won't be placed. The way to get around it is to tick the "round bid up if necessary" button, which will ensure you get a full bid increment ahead in cases like this ... as I understand it, at least :-)

translateltd - 2016-07-27 21:01:00
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That really is weird - it's as if your bid has been placed, but at the same time it hasn't. "Schroedinger's auction"? Notice the next minimum bid is $10 higher than the other bid, not yours (i.e. 1011.02 not 1012.34)?

translateltd - 2016-07-27 21:05:00
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Think a glitch with TM as still showing closing on auction page when actually finished 20 mins ago
I had the bigger auto on at $1002.34 when lead bidder was at 975 and that beat his auto of $1001.02
Will see what is showing when the auctions come back to live status

gammoner - 2016-07-27 21:40:00
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Looks like this one ended in your favour. The auctions in my case went to the technical underbidder, despite my higher autobid.

translateltd - 2016-07-27 21:48:00
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Anyone watching Noble's Live, amazing prices.

lester36 - 2016-07-27 22:30:00
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yes I think there was a trademe glitch. I've got three auctions like that, they have not yet closed, watchlist reckons I've been outbid, but when I go to the actual auction it says I lead.

dtpapa - 2016-07-27 22:45:00
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lester36 wrote:

Anyone watching Noble's Live, amazing prices.

high or low?

dtpapa - 2016-07-27 22:46:00
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High As AMAZING prices

lester36 - 2016-07-27 23:19:00
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1930 Australian penny just sold for 75,000 dollars

lester36 - 2016-07-27 23:25:00
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http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=364640

"In a slab by PCGS as AU50, population two, none finer."

LOlolol

dtpapa - 2016-07-28 07:55:00
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dtpapa wrote:

http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=364640

"In a slab by PCGS as AU50, population two, none finer."

LOlolol

American grading ...

translateltd - 2016-07-28 08:11:00
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I think that the population figure relates to the population that the slabber (PCGS) has slabbed rather than the population of coins in the real world. In this case it is the highest grade of the two they have graded and slabbed.

nznotes - 2016-07-28 11:38:00
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Sounds right, nznotes, since in the item description, they finish with "the fourth finest known."

echoriath - 2016-07-28 19:23:00
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Talking of NZ notes.... Look at the Lefeaux 50 Pound, went for more than twice expected $12,000.00 sold for A$25,000.00
http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=365779
There'll be another chance to pick up a Lefeaux 50, coming for auction soon.....

graemer1 - 2016-07-29 09:30:00
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1131349238, LoL

dtpapa - 2016-07-31 20:34:00
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dtpapa wrote:

1131349238, LoL

It'll be worth even more after the good polish the owner recommends!

translateltd - 2016-07-31 21:16:00
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If it wasn't so funny it would be FUNNY

lester36 - 2016-07-31 21:34:00
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A good polish to get it looking like new? Only if that polishing takes place in a time machine.

echoriath - 2016-08-01 00:39:00
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Hi everyone.

I am developing a web site for coin collectors and have started with the New Zealand pre-decimal section, which is now done:
http://onlinecoin.club/Coins/Country/New_Zealand/

(the decimal part needs more work)

Can I please get some feedback on it, and any ideas on how to make it popular with NZ collectors?

Best,
Pavel

pavka14 - 2016-08-02 13:23:00
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Can I please get some feedback on it, and any ideas on how to make it popular with NZ collectors?

Best,
Pavel

Is it for information only or will you be selling off of it

gammoner - 2016-08-03 18:58:00
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This message was deleted.

oldecurb - 2016-08-04 14:21:00
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"Is it for information only or will you be selling off of it" - the site itself will provide information only.

Members will be able to sell and trade, but that will come in future (I need some more programming to get it running properly).

pavka14 - 2016-08-04 16:50:00
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Hahaha, a seller who blacklisted me for querying his definition of "rare" for coins with mintages in the millions just lost out. I tried to bid on his silly brooch, but his loss.

echoriath - 2016-08-04 22:34:00
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pavka14 wrote:

"Is it for information only or will you be selling off of it" - the site itself will provide information only.

Members will be able to sell and trade, but that will come in future (I need some more programming to get it running properly).

I'm just thinking out loud, but what gap in the web will your site fill? I mean no disrespect, but in order for it to be successful, it needs to do something that's not already being done, and this seems like something that already exists.

echoriath - 2016-08-04 22:36:00
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"it needs to do something that's not already being done, and this seems like something that already exists"

What exists is Numista. And there are many things I don't like there, from a web developer's point of view. It's difficult to navigate, you cannot do any research of the type "let's see all coins from this mint" or "for this monarch", no historical background for anything, and most importantly - no sources for anything. Mintages come from Krause, and when I compare that to other catalogues - it's often wrong. But, if the site doesn't tell me where it got the number from, how do I know what to compare?

Call it a professional deformity (from being a programmer), but I want things to be clear.

pavka14 - 2016-08-05 00:24:00
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Oh, and my pet complaint... prices. Many (if not most) people look up a coin online because they either want to buy it, or to sell one. So where do I get prices from? Paper catalogues are horribly expensive and not for the casual buyer/seller. And I don't like them either. Again, being a programmer - they are "static". Something costs $10 now... Yes? So what? How much did it cost ten years ago? Where is it going?

Basically, the price graphs you see on the site are the one thing which I think collectors will appreciate, and which you do not get anywhere else.

(I have to mention here that I am grateful to the publishers of the John Bertrand catalogue for letting me use their data)

pavka14 - 2016-08-05 00:32:00
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It's probably worth mentioning that the Krause catalogues have been supplied with the correct data - or at least, data that tallies with our other sources (RBNZ, John Bertrand) - but getting the compilers to actually record it is another question.

translateltd - 2016-08-05 11:43:00
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Pavka. Good on you. Follow your passion and keep developing . Your site's easy and intuitively obvious to a rube such as I.
Couple of suggestions: place pics of coins at or nearer the top of page, then the descriptions enhance the image for the reader.
The $1 coins (and others) with silver/gold varieties... More details,and pics, please.
Price graphs are a great idea and still useful within the limits of data collection.

graemer1 - 2016-08-07 10:04:00
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Thanks graemer1, I have a designer working on re-ordering the page now. Re dollars/cents - I haven't done that part properly as I lack good data and most of all photos. But it's next on my list.

pavka14 - 2016-08-07 19:50:00
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Bump ...

translateltd - 2016-08-10 16:35:00
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Ok, so I got a query relating to proofs. Whilst in the US, I made my usual run to as many banks as I could to try and track down dollars and halves, which can often be quite hard to get hold of. I got to one bank right after a teller who had just gone to lunch had also received a lot of them that morning from someone cashing them in, but no one could get into her cash drawer, and I did not have time to wait. Getting quarters is never an issue, and I bulk up on them as well.

I ended up with two proof dollars and a proof quarter out of the various rolls I got. Aside from the obvious of people breaking open sets, I am having a hard time finding a clear explanation for it on various sites. Someone speculated the SF Mint dumps proofs of insufficient quality into the general circulation pile, but there is no such pile at that mint, as such, since everything made there is only FOR proofs. Someone else shot down the idea of the mint doing it since it would be costly, and would also mean they were introducing coins with some kind of flaw in them, which they seem to work hard to avoid.

Does this happen much with NZ coinage in terms of proofs ending up in circulation?

Just an aside: I managed to offload about a roll worth of ANZAC commemorative 50 cent pieces one at a time into various donation/loose change bins over there, including leaving one as an extra part of a proper tip for an Aussie waitress in Salem, MA. Don't know if she'll have cared, but hopefully she got a kick out of it.

echoriath - 2016-08-10 19:37:00
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I don't know about proofs ever winding up in circulation, but you do find the occasional "non-existent date" (i.e. set-only) coin in circulation, which can only have come from a broken set. I found a few when I was making up date runs of the "large" coins in 2006/07, for example. Whether they come from dealers breaking up sets to sell coins individually (which does happen) of if they're done "officially" - or if they're stolen lots broken up for spending - probably no-one will ever know. I would have to check references but I think some 1965/67 sets were officially broken up for circulation since far too many were made, so there may have been some "semi-proof" strikes among those. Apart from that, the only official use of collector issues that I know of was the release of excess 1970 "Mt Cook/Aorangi" dollars in the Cook Islands for circulation there.

translateltd - 2016-08-10 22:37:00
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Listing 1138747063 looks cleaned to me or am I wrong?

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