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Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies and oldbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for oldbies and newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

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echoriath - 2016-05-31 21:13:00
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and again. 1096929312 D should not touch crown & the edge is horrible.

Edited by numismatist at 9:26 pm, Tue 31 May

numismatist - 2016-05-31 21:19:00
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Ok, I am reasonably confident these are not forgeries, but I am in need of guidance as both appear to have varieties, and I am struggling to delineate/distinguish differences, especially on the 1861:

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/483934075.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/483934368.jpg

And a close-up of just the obverse of the 1886-M:
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/483934213.jpg

Are there other variations on either side of this standard 1886 dragon reverse? Opinions on grade are also welcome, as these are a bit out of my ken. I appreciate that the 1861 is pretty worn.

echoriath - 2016-05-31 21:33:00
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echoriath wrote:

Ok, I am reasonably confident these are not forgeries, but I am in need of guidance as both appear to have varieties, and I am struggling to delineate/distinguish differences, especially on the 1861:

Coins look genuine,
Queen had 4 different hair styles Plus the veiled 2.
Not to sure on the long and short tailed for those years.

gammoner - 2016-05-31 21:57:00
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I would grade the Full at F+

gammoner - 2016-05-31 22:00:00
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echoriath wrote:


https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/483934075.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/483934368.jpg

That's a huge 6 in the date of the 1886 sov. I'm not an expert in this series but I'd want to research the date varieties to be sure with this one.

translateltd - 2016-05-31 23:41:00
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miffycat1 - 2016-06-01 02:31:00
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miffycat1 wrote:


You have said " search current & expired listings.
I know how to look @ current listings but how do I look @ expired listings ?
Thank you

Fair question, since that's something that became a little trickier to do when TradeMe made the process harder to find a few years back. If you look at the little magnifying glass to the right of the main search bar towards the top of the page, just to the right of the magnifying glass there's a "V" symbol. It's a little wider, but looks a lot like that. On my laptop, it's nearly dead center of the screen, but easy to miss if you don't know what it is or why it's there.

Left click on that and the option to "Search Expired Listings" comes up.

echoriath - 2016-06-01 06:26:00
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that Waitangi appears to be an import from froggy land!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CROWN-New-Zealand-1935-WAITANGI-Rest
rike-/131822838787?hash=item1eb140e403%3Ag%3AV7cAAOSwU1FXQOH
M&nma=true&si=N3S04%252FeGYO7Eo%252Bj4B%252BiGRTioER
0%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l25
57

Edited by dtpapa at 8:08 am, Wed 1 Jun

dtpapa - 2016-06-01 08:08:00
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dtpapa wrote:

that Waitangi appears to be an import from froggy land!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CROWN-New-Zealand-1935-WAITANGI-Rest
rike-/131822838787?hash=item1eb140e403%3Ag%3AV7cAAOSwU1FXQOH
M&nma=true&si=N3S04%252FeGYO7Eo%252Bj4B%252BiGRTioER
0%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l25
57

Definition of restrike. : a coin or medal struck from an original die at some time after the original issue.

I can assure you that coin was not struck from the original die. Being that it does not mention reproduction anywhere on the coin it's clearly a forgery. With that in mind it shouldn't be on Trademe even under the replica category. Perhaps Trademe need to make clear the difference between a Restrike, Replica & Forgery.

Edited by numismatist at 1:28 pm, Wed 1 Jun

numismatist - 2016-06-01 13:24:00
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numismatist wrote:

Definition of restrike. : a coin or medal struck from an original die at some time after the original issue.

I can assure you that coin was not struck from the original die. Being that it does not mention reproduction anywhere on the coin it's clearly a forgery. With that in mind it shouldn't be on Trademe even under the replica category. Perhaps Trademe need to make clear the difference between a Restrike, Replica & Forgery.

All TM will do is move it to the "Reproductions" category. Claims by sellers that seem to be at variance with reality, or the item's known history, don't enter into it, unfortunately.

translateltd - 2016-06-01 16:44:00
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numismatist wrote:

Perhaps Trademe need to make clear the difference between a Restrike, Replica & Forgery.

I suspect the distinctions are a bit arcane for those outside the field, unfortunately - we all take it for granted but it will be much of a muchness to anyone else.

translateltd - 2016-06-02 15:15:00
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seems there have been a few more on ebay

e.g.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-New-Zealand-1-Crown-Gerge-V-sil
ver-coin-/291699962961?hash=item43eaac3451:g:LfMAAOSwYlJW2KV
l

dtpapa - 2016-06-02 15:31:00
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dtpapa wrote:

seems there have been a few more on ebay

e.g.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-New-Zealand-1-Crown-Gerge-V-sil
ver-coin-/291699962961?hash=item43eaac3451:g:LfMAAOSwYlJW2KV
l

That coin certainly looks more like it. SOme of the other posted on Ebay don't have George on the back tho. Cheers

iamriff - 2016-06-02 22:49:00
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why are some 1960 1 francs are worth so much?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/France/539/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw
=1960+1+franc&_sop=3

dtpapa - 2016-06-03 07:05:00
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the ones without George aren't attempted fakes!!

dtpapa - 2016-06-03 07:25:00
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I don't have time for a closer look, but www.lefranc.net is a good reference for prices on French coins . May not answer your question though.

echoriath - 2016-06-03 10:20:00
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dtpapa wrote:

why are some 1960 1 francs are worth so much?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/France/539/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw
=1960+1+franc&_sop=3

Because there are always dreamers? There are rare essais/piedforts of the 1990 coin listed in both Krause and Schön, but the ones on the eBay page look like normal issues as far as I can see - worth a whole buck according to the books.

translateltd - 2016-06-03 11:09:00
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In addition to essais (from 1959), there are large and small date varieties for the 1960 one franc.

http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces6.html

The large date seems most easily identified by the relative differences between the 9 and the 1, though it seems that the 0 is smaller on the large date from what I can tell. The large date variety does carry a higher value, especially in good nick.

Interestingly, the one on ebay that purports to be an essai does not actually have the word on the coin, which is customary on essais. This one wouldn't since the essai for that one franc was from the previous year! It does, however, look to be a large date variety of 1960. Compare the French one labelled essai to the Monico one, the latter bearing the word essai. Certainly pays to look before you leap with these things.

BTW, essai translates as "test".

echoriath - 2016-06-03 16:24:00
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There's a piedfort (double-thickness) essai of the 1960 franc - but again the one without the word on it looks to be a normal issue taken from circulation.

"Trial" is another option for "essai", though the French mint seems to make them in rather larger numbers than the trials we might be used to. They seem more like VIP special issues in some cases, at least.

Edited by translateltd at 4:42 pm, Fri 3 Jun

translateltd - 2016-06-03 16:41:00
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Thanks for the insight, Martin. I still have a lot of knowledge gaps on French coins.

echoriath - 2016-06-03 17:33:00
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Morning all ... I have a friend in Australia who is after sets of 3 sequential notes in the new pattern $5 and $10 denominations. Could someone please tell me where the easiest way to get hold of sets like this. If I went to the local banks would they have them in good enough condition or should I look on Trademe to get good UNC sets ... cheers

Edited by pottynz at 11:30 am, Sat 4 Jun

pottynz - 2016-06-04 11:30:00
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I got three new $5 notes that ended like 565, 567 and 568. The weird thing is I think they came out as cash out at Countdown, so I assume the machine was loaded up with new bills. Whatever happened to 566 will remain a mystery for the ages.

echoriath - 2016-06-04 12:07:00
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Waitangi Crown replicas look like they will be here to stay just found them for sale online $3.30 USD and ones in FAKE PCGS Slabs like the one sold the other day for 84 USD. Sorry if anyone here owns the real one but be very suspicious of pcgs slab 534551.65/21179175.

mudeki - 2016-06-04 21:51:00
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link for these fake Waitangi Crs?

I hope they are better than this fake piece of crap. I wouldn't want to pay this much even if it was the real thing!! 1096929312

dtpapa - 2016-06-04 22:20:00
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dtpapa wrote:

link for these fake Waitangi Crs?

I hope they are better than this fake piece of crap. I wouldn't want to pay this much even if it was the real thing!! 1096929312

the $84 one is better with a few differences easy to spot to the real think. The $3 ones are the same as that listing. Not a 1936 restrike in that listing however as stated in questions and answers

mudeki - 2016-06-04 23:09:00
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Been blacklisted by the seller of so many "rare" coins. Well, maybe TM can make some headway with him.

echoriath - 2016-06-05 01:43:00
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oldecurb - 2016-06-06 22:58:00
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oldecurb wrote:

Why would you write dates on coins with felt tip? 1099809579

Impressive :-) In older times, people would write catalogue numbers in the field on medals using India ink and then lacquer over the whole thing. Felt tip is an improvement, perhaps!

translateltd - 2016-06-07 07:14:00
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jantar - 2016-06-07 15:16:00
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Wahoo ! 2000 smackeroozles !

funho1 - 2016-06-07 19:57:00
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funho1 wrote:

Wahoo ! 2000 smackeroozles !

For a $5 Chinese reproduction and a misleading auction

mudeki - 2016-06-07 19:59:00
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wasgonna - 2016-06-07 20:01:00
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How interesting that I just got a $400 buy-it-now offer on the same item. More in stock, or did the original buyer look more closely and pull out? Cheap at 1/80 the price, I'm sure.

translateltd - 2016-06-08 13:24:00
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Almost certainly the original buyer has backed out of the sale. Only a complete and utter moron would have bid that much, let alone actually hand over the reddies. Sometimes buyers might discover an auction only in the last few moments, so in this case we could perhaps give the buyer the benefit of the doubt that he is not a fool. Once he had time to reflect, and perhaps read the questions section, he realized it was fake. Bloody dishonest of the ratbag seller to still be trying to hock it off though, she surely must have known by now that the the coin is a fake, and is pretty much worthless.

dtpapa - 2016-06-08 15:51:00
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2 More fakes for sale today already 1101644860 & 1101663476

The slabbed one (1101663476) must be breaking copyright / Trade Mark of PCGS

mudeki - 2016-06-08 18:20:00
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mudeki wrote:

2 More fakes for sale today already 1101644860 & 1101663476

The slabbed one (1101663476) must be breaking copyright / Trade Mark of PCGS

Must be something in the water around Nelson.
All 3 sellers residing there

gammoner - 2016-06-08 18:29:00
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dtpapa - 2016-06-08 19:00:00
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unfair to lump all 3 sellers together. 2 of those sellers have clearly stated the nature of their items for sale. Only 1 seller failed to do so.

dtpapa - 2016-06-08 19:02:00
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gammoner wrote:

Must be something in the water around Nelson.
All 3 sellers residing there

Agree, I've thought this for a while. Nice place, but the problem with the water seems to have left reputable coin dealers a bit thin on the ground.

puckles - 2016-06-08 20:52:00
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Listing 1097392820 Hand cut banknote from sheet, have messaged seller, thou it is not listed as a error banknote.

35 - 2016-06-09 11:32:00
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35 wrote:

Listing 1097392820 Hand cut banknote from sheet, have messaged seller, thou it is not listed as a error banknote.

Yes cut from a sheet. They bought it off eBay like that, I saw it floating round 6 month ago or so.

numismatist - 2016-06-09 12:39:00
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35 wrote:

Listing 1097392820 Hand cut banknote from sheet, have messaged seller, thou it is not listed as a error banknote.

Same seller as above ... how interesting.

translateltd - 2016-06-09 13:19:00
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this is where seller 'coinworld' is getting most his stock!!

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Feedback.aspx?member=418614
8&type=b

dtpapa - 2016-06-12 22:02:00
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here's some amusing feedback for 'coinworld' as a buyer,

"This idiot is upset because NZ Post lost his parcel. I was making enquiries as to where it was but he is being a complete moron about the whole thing. Grow up fool! "

"This idiot deliberately used buy now with no intention of buying this coin because a parcel of his was lost in the post, even though I'm trying to sort it. THIS IS NOT MY FAULT MORON! Disgusting, childish behaviour. GROW UP! "

LOL!!!

dtpapa - 2016-06-12 22:07:00
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f**k a duck this was a bargain!!

1093252846

dtpapa - 2016-06-12 22:09:00
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And I've rarely seen such a pointed poison-pen positive for the same trader on something he sold:

stupid me I thought it said epns which is basically jink and you should have told me as it is quite clear. I will never buy off you again but well done for getting one over on me :)

The seller has not given feedback on that buyer.

echoriath - 2016-06-13 00:20:00
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I wonder how many of these lots Martin/John Teddy/Junma/qq or whatever it is he is calling himself now will be bidding on?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Listings.aspx?member=195226
8

I really do not like to see anyone getting a bargain (besides me of course). Why are there so few watches on those auctions?

this one has got 30 dipsh!ts watching, for crying out loud! 1100544716

btw, you can see the same coin as it appears in this listing 1093244170

definitely NOT unc!!

dtpapa - 2016-06-13 08:52:00
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jantar - 2016-06-13 11:36:00
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good point, I'm one of those watching it too! But I still don't fancy your chances of getting it for $10, not with all of those 30 (mostly) morons watching it!!

dtpapa - 2016-06-13 11:49:00
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