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Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies and oldbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for oldbies and newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

No one has all the answers, and you may get five differing answers to the same question, yet each may be right in a manner of speaking, especially if opinions are involved. Opinions often vary. If you receive no answer to your query within 48 hours, please ask again.

echoriath - 2016-04-23 16:44:00
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dtpapa wrote:

Seems it was listed in the wrong category. Otherwise it no doubt would have come to the attention of those who could ask a relevant question or two before auction ended. While I would agree it is unfair to make an accusation against the seller based on what he might or might not have known prior to auction end, I do believe that once he was made aware that the coins were fake he was honour bound to offer a return with full refund.

Yes, it's interesting on the thread started by the buyer just how many people were relying on a simple caveat emptor argument. Another point being argued against the seller is that, in the absence of any meaningful description, potential buyers had to rely on the photos, two of which showed coins "described" as gold and silver by the words on them. So whether the seller intended it or not, buyers were, at best, misled by the photos.

A good analogy was a fake designer clothing item with a label for a known designer shown in the photo, but a seller opting out when it came to specific knowledge of the brand. Once identified as fake, the seller has an obligation since TM does not allow the sale of fakes.

A legit counterpoint was made that replica coins ARE allowed, but they have to be sold in the correct category. The seller may have been unaware of that option, but it was still an odd place for an experienced trader to put coins.

echoriath - 2016-04-23 17:01:00
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Recent inheritance of my fathers coins. Some in John Bertram books, some loose, 30 six pences, half crowns , Florins, commemorative coins, Some with flat back kiwis which we read may be rare and others with a strapless Queen. Someone has suggested that this is a valuable collection. Not keen on selling but certainly would like some professional feedback for insurance purposes. Any idea where we could go. Auckland please.

molly37 - 2016-04-25 14:37:00
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Well, don't count your eggs before the chicken lays them. It is important to bear in mind that condition and rarity of a particular year will be vital, and errors need to be confirmed. It's good you know exactly what you're after, i.e., insurance value, as that is considerably different from what a dealer will actually pay you if you decide to sell any.

As for where to go, I don't have that info, but someone else will doubtless have some suggestions.

echoriath - 2016-04-25 14:47:00
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oldecurb - 2016-04-25 22:41:00
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oldecurb wrote:

Do a google search on "new zealand numismatic dealers association coin dealers auckland" They have a code of ethics so you should get good advice

thanks

molly37 - 2016-04-26 20:34:00
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Google to the rescue!!

echoriath - 2016-04-29 19:50:00
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oldecurb - 2016-04-29 22:27:00
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oldecurb wrote:

Interesting that they don't have a web page of their own in this day and age. I have previously tried to refer to them on TM without naming specific people and its hard to find them

There may be no-one to manage the web page. I know I'm on the list but I'm not looking for extra work either :-) It is published in the Bertrand Catalogue and the NZNJ every year though.

translateltd - 2016-04-30 07:50:00
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I've a question for those who know about posting letters!

I need to post a letter to one of my Swedish friends. It needs to be registered, but not tracked. When I inquired about this at my local post shop they were a little vague over whether this service was available. I mentioned that it was called International Air Registered on the NZ post website, and that pre-paid bags apparently existed (of course they had none in stock). The courier service was suggested, but that seems way too pricey for my needs.

1. Am I correct to assume this registered service still exists?

2. Should I be able to take an ordinary envelope to the counter and demand it be sent registered?

Any suggestions welcome, and thanks in advance!!

dtpapa - 2016-04-30 12:40:00
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dtpapa wrote:

I've a question for those who know about posting letters!

I need to post a letter to one of my Swedish friends. It needs to be registered, but not tracked. When I inquired about this at my local post shop they were a little vague over whether this service was available. I mentioned that it was called International Air Registered on the NZ post website, and that pre-paid bags apparently existed (of course they had none in stock). The courier service was suggested, but that seems way too pricey for my needs.

1. Am I correct to assume this registered service still exists?

2. Should I be able to take an ordinary envelope to the counter and demand it be sent registered?

Any suggestions welcome, and thanks in advance!!

From my experience, NZPost stopped doing registered mail unless you have a large business account open with them. The options for international postage are somewhat limited and extremely expensive compared to AustPost. I've had instances where it was cheaper to jump on a plane to Australia clear customs with payment and post 20 or so items registered from there than to post them from here as EMS. As a consumer you really only have 3 options Regular Airmail with no tracking, EMS which is tracked and EMS Express which is simply handed over to DHL.

numismatist - 2016-04-30 13:06:00
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dtpapa wrote:

I've a question for those who know about posting letters!

I need to post a letter to one of my Swedish friends. It needs to be registered, but not tracked. When I inquired about this at my local post shop they were a little vague over whether this service was available. I mentioned that it was called International Air Registered on the NZ post website, and that pre-paid bags apparently existed (of course they had none in stock). The courier service was suggested, but that seems way too pricey for my needs.

1. Am I correct to assume this registered service still exists?

2. Should I be able to take an ordinary envelope to the counter and demand it be sent registered?

Any suggestions welcome, and thanks in advance!!

"Registered" as we knew it died long ago. It became no more than "recorded delivery" under a misleading name for a while, and even the "Registered" bubble bags weren't tracked after they left the country, so I'm not sure what purpose they actually served - unless the mail services in the recipient countries then applied their own "registered" rules to them once they entered their jurisdiction.

Edited by translateltd at 1:07 pm, Sat 30 Apr

translateltd - 2016-04-30 13:06:00
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thanks,

so what I read here is actually rubbish for the purposes of the ordinary everyday customer?

https://www.nzpost.co.nz/personal/sending-internationally/le
tters-documents/international-air-registered

dtpapa - 2016-04-30 13:12:00
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These are the bags here: https://www.nzpost.co.nz/shop/international-parcels/bags/int
ernational-air-worldwide

It is possible that some small private post offices might have them in stock and sell them on a single basis, if you go into a main post office though they don't have them and you can't buy them as singles. You basically just get a reference number to lookup and it simply says delivered or in transit. They are supposed to be for documents only. If you have a large scale business account you can actually do International Air Tracked to a few countries: International Tracked Air Satchel offers tracking to selected destinations (Australia, UK, USA, Canada, Singapore and Hong Kong). https://www.nzpost.co.nz/business/sending-internationally/ov
er-300-letters-documents/international-air-satchel
.It requires a minimum of 50 items. They stopped offering this service to the public which was the pricepoint between regular Airmail and EMS and it seems as a satchel only that I can find, however if you were sending this kind of volume I am sure NZPost would accommodate packages rather than satchel's.

Edited by numismatist at 1:26 pm, Sat 30 Apr

numismatist - 2016-04-30 13:24:00
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thanks,

that's a bit of a bummer then. Seems odd though that I can get registered post, delivered to my door for me to sign, but cannot send it myself at any sort of reasonable price.

dtpapa - 2016-04-30 13:33:00
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Hi all, Has the demand for high grade NZ penny and half penny died? I have started listing them on TM again but seems that there is very low interest even in those that look to me to be unc-bu. Anyone else noticed this?

bjubes - 2016-05-01 12:38:00
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oldecurb - 2016-05-01 21:14:00
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Forgive me if I asked this recently, but I cannot find it anywhere: Are there considerably more errors on the one and two dollar coins than on the 10, 20 and 50 cent pieces? I have not found errors of note on the cents, but the brass ones seem rife with die cracks, etc.

echoriath - 2016-05-06 01:13:00
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echoriath wrote:

Forgive me if I asked this recently, but I cannot find it anywhere: Are there considerably more errors on the one and two dollar coins than on the 10, 20 and 50 cent pieces? I have not found errors of note on the cents, but the brass ones seem rife with die cracks, etc.

It's an interesting thought - I would have expected more on the smaller coins because the alloy will be harder, and could be expected to do more damage to dies in the striking than the softer brass alloy. It certainly looks like the $1 and $2 are defect-prone.

translateltd - 2016-05-06 07:52:00
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jantar - 2016-05-06 16:38:00
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echoriath wrote:

Forgive me if I asked this recently, but I cannot find it anywhere: Are there considerably more errors on the one and two dollar coins than on the 10, 20 and 50 cent pieces? I have not found errors of note on the cents, but the brass ones seem rife with die cracks, etc.

Yes you are right the $1 & $2 are shocking quality and full of errors (so I like them lol). The $1 and $2 are still made at the Royal mint and get supplied in bags so often have a few marks on them where as the others get supplied in rolls from the Canadian mint. My theory on rolls is any more significant faults like die breaks and clips get picked up in the rolling process like they used to at security companies that used to roll the larger coins in NZ. But in general the quality from Canada is amazing and any errors are small cuds in the detail.

mudeki - 2016-05-06 21:25:00
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Maybe one is also using more computer screening of problem coins? I gather the US introduced a computer system about 15 years ago to remove defective coins prior to distribution, which means that the value of any that make it out will go up considerably.

echoriath - 2016-05-07 02:37:00
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A little home-town news:

http://www.journal-news.net/page/content.detail/id/657023/Co
ming-soon-in-your-change--Harpers-Ferry-quarters.html

I never lived in Harpers Ferry, but spent a lot of time in the area.

echoriath - 2016-05-07 02:38:00
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A heads-up to the regular traders - I noticed by chance last weekend that my Secondhand Dealer's licence was about to expire on 6 May. The MoJ hadn't sent any reminders out this time but I managed to get the renewal forms in (by courier) with two days to spare. Apparently, as long as they receive the renewal papers before the old licence expires, the old one will remain in force; miss the deadline, however, and it's a full new application. The person (just one, it seems) who deals with sending out the reminders was on leave - go figure.

translateltd - 2016-05-07 09:00:00
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the same coins?

1082456962

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Zealand-1956-Threepence-NO-SHOUL
DER-FOLD-Choice-AU-UNC-Rare-/201532455476?hash=item2eec453a3
4%3Ag%3AQW0AAOSwx-9W1Ll3&nma=true&si=N3S04%252FeGYO7
Eo%252Bj4B%252BiGRTioER0%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&a
mp;_trksid=p2047675.l2557

what do ya reckon?

dtpapa - 2016-05-08 07:23:00
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Yes, I would say so, though under considerably different lighting. The little lump on top of the "5" is the same in both (could be two coins from the same die), but so is the little nick in the surface under the upper bit of the hair bun underneath the ribbon. There are other matching nicks.

Neither of the sets of photo is particularly good IMHO. Both are fuzzy under the magnifier.

Edited by echoriath at 10:10 am, Sun 8 May

echoriath - 2016-05-08 10:10:00
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Bump ...

translateltd - 2016-05-13 07:19:00
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These went for substantially below catalogue:
1081901951
1081902516
1081905275

The last, in particular.

translateltd - 2016-05-13 20:50:00
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translateltd wrote:

These went for substantially below catalogue:
1081901951
1081902516
1081905275

The last, in particular.

I don't know how I missed those!

numismatist - 2016-05-14 12:55:00
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You also missed this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-ZEALAND-1948-1-Shilling-NGC-Slab
bed-MS-65-/301938496203?hash=item464cefd2cb:g:tIEAAOSwiYFXG~
i5

and this!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-ZEALAND-1947-1-Florin-NGC-Slabbe
d-MS-64-/291746458333?hash=item43ed71aadd:g:Qf4AAOSw2GlXG~i1

But don't give up hope just yet, because I have this nagging suspicion (call it intuition) that they might show up here on trademe very shortly!!
(at a highly inflated price mind you!!)

Edited by dtpapa at 3:26 pm, Mon 16 May

dtpapa - 2016-05-16 15:24:00
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What planet is the seller from?!?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.asp
x?id=1634094&topic=10

echoriath - 2016-05-17 21:31:00
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echoriath wrote:

What planet is the seller from?!?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.asp
x?id=1634094&topic=10

Planet "recent arrival who's never heard of pre-decimal currency", I think. What a hoot - thanks for the link.

translateltd - 2016-05-18 07:53:00
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Banknotes. A request for help. A family member, recently counting some $20 notes, found one with the value "20" on the front coloured YELLOW rather than the usual WHITE. The signature is Alan Bollard and the number is AC 06593594. She'd like to know if it has any extra value to its face and if it was worthwhile listing on TM. If so, can anyone give me an estimate of what price to put on it? Many thanks, taidhg (Ray)

taidhg - 2016-05-20 10:04:00
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just look at those receipts!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-New-Zealand-Proof-Sets-1968-69-70-
71-72-73-75-1976-Documents-/322118158874?hash=item4affbd0a1a
:g:MV0AAOSwrnNXQi87

will bring back memories (for the oldies in here), of more simple, innocent times!

dtpapa - 2016-05-23 14:01:00
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dtpapa wrote:

just look at those receipts!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-New-Zealand-Proof-Sets-1968-69-70-
71-72-73-75-1976-Documents-/322118158874?hash=item4affbd0a1a
:g:MV0AAOSwrnNXQi87

will bring back memories (for the oldies in here), of more simple, innocent times!

Bit of irony, The receipts are likely worth more than the coins.

numismatist - 2016-05-23 19:22:00
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I'll take that thank you very much, you silly tart!!!!!!

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=351
723898052&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565

Edited by dtpapa at 9:01 pm, Mon 23 May

dtpapa - 2016-05-23 20:54:00
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so the NZ 2011 Penguin Silver Proof Set allegedly has a mintage of 500?

really???

seems to be a lot of them about on trademe.

dtpapa - 2016-05-23 22:24:00
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dtpapa wrote:

so the NZ 2011 Penguin Silver Proof Set allegedly has a mintage of 500?

really???

seems to be a lot of them about on trademe.

If you've seen fewer than 500, it's still plausible :-)

translateltd - 2016-05-24 07:31:00
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taidhg wrote:

Banknotes. A request for help. A family member, recently counting some $20 notes, found one with the value "20" on the front coloured YELLOW rather than the usual WHITE. The signature is Alan Bollard and the number is AC 06593594. She'd like to know if it has any extra value to its face and if it was worthwhile listing on TM. If so, can anyone give me an estimate of what price to put on it? Many thanks, taidhg (Ray)


Hi Ray, picture would help, yes there are error note collectors and some notes can go for a very high price. But once again its hard to price without pic, so your friend could list on tm, and see what happens if you get two people who want it could do well.

35 - 2016-05-24 10:05:00
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Hi Colin,

Many thanks for your advice. Note is now (with scan) up and running on TM. Item 1092587573. Keeping my fingers crossed for a result. Cheers, Ray.

taidhg - 2016-05-24 19:33:00
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taidhg wrote:

Hi Colin,

Many thanks for your advice. Note is now (with scan) up and running on TM. Item 1092587573. Keeping my fingers crossed for a result. Cheers, Ray.

Looks like someone coloured it in (o:

jmma - 2016-05-24 23:16:00
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Not meaning to be a buzz kill, but I am inclined to agree with jmma. Have you had a look at it under magnification, either zoom in with computer/camera or with a magnifying glass?

echoriath - 2016-05-25 06:14:00
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I have to agree someone has had some fun with a highlighter or marker. I tried it at work for a laugh and got the same result

mudeki - 2016-05-25 12:07:00
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there's also some yellow in the corners. Probably yellow felt tip or highlight pen!!

dtpapa - 2016-05-25 18:40:00
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Many thanks to those who replied to my request for info re the yellow '20' note. It would seem to be a made-up so I not be selling it.

taidhg - 2016-05-28 18:59:00
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Saw this is it the start of more, 1092018318

35 - 2016-05-30 15:48:00
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35 wrote:

Saw this is it the start of more, 1092018318

The fake slab has me concerned, too.

translateltd - 2016-05-30 17:20:00
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Also recently came across a very high quality 1981 krugerrand with COA papers.Came in at 33.81gm (33.93 as minted by the SAM ).Exactly right diameter and thickness and finish was near perfect. The only tell was the very slight colour difference. This was a tungsten replica with a generous 22ct plating over. Scary to see .
Be vigilant out there

gammoner - 2016-05-30 18:11:00
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Jeez, and it's about to only get worse, sadly.

echoriath - 2016-05-31 21:12:00
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And.... page.

echoriath - 2016-05-31 21:12:00
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