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Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies and oldbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for oldbies and newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

No one has all the answers, and you may get five differing answers to the same question, yet each may be right in a manner of speaking, especially if opinions are involved. Opinions often vary. If you receive no answer to your query within 48 hours, please ask again.

translateltd - 2015-11-21 15:04:00
7102

Looks a bit over graded to me 985895504
seems to be a hint of flatness to the Kiwi's head, although a little hard to be sure?

This photo maybe gives a better idea

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Zealand-1940-Florin-VERY-rare-Ke
y-Date-NGC-MS-62-CV-1000-in-UNC-/311479725519?hash=item4885a
36dcf%3Ag%3AXJIAAOSwwbdWO~nh&nma=true&si=N3S04%252Fe
GYO7Eo%252Bj4B%252BiGRTioER0%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=
nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

dtpapa - 2015-11-22 09:42:00
7103

Another misplaced decimal point:
985740787
I'd suggest moving it three places rather than two ...

translateltd - 2015-11-22 16:37:00
7104

But, but, but..... it's "slabbed".

echoriath - 2015-11-22 16:57:00
7105

Bump ...

translateltd - 2015-11-25 07:44:00
7106
translateltd wrote:

Bump ...


Hi Martin, got The coins of British Oceania by Robert Clarke did not know it was printed in USA pitty the grading companys in USA did not read it.

35 - 2015-11-25 08:57:00
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35 wrote:


Hi Martin, got The coins of British Oceania by Robert Clarke did not know it was printed in USA pitty the grading companys in USA did not read it.

Well done for getting a copy - it applies the US coin-by-coin principles to our series, telling you what features to look for for different grades with each design, which I've never seen done anywhere else. We need something similar for the decimal coins now, too!

translateltd - 2015-11-25 09:09:00
7108

maybe post the relevant pages in here?

dtpapa - 2015-11-25 09:28:00
7109

Bump ...

translateltd - 2015-11-28 09:12:00
7110

Hi Martin, How did you enjoy your trip to Tauranga.

Sorry I didn't get a chance to introduce my self to you on the night.

lester36 - 2015-11-28 09:25:00
7111

the chumps at noble called this 'nearly uncirculated'.

FFS!!!!

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/428884609.jpg

dtpapa - 2015-11-28 14:48:00
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dtpapa wrote:

the chumps at noble called this 'nearly uncirculated'.

FFS!!!!

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/428884609.jpg[/
quote]

Should have been there ;)

On a side note it did appear to have been struck later in the run when the die was weaker.

numismatist - 2015-11-28 16:47:00
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lester36 wrote:

Hi Martin, How did you enjoy your trip to Tauranga.

Sorry I didn't get a chance to introduce my self to you on the night.

Was great, thanks - the full schedule for the dinner evening ran very well, but there could have been a bit more time set aside for meeting and chatting. We could easily have filled in some of the Saturday afternoon or Sunday morning in addition to the dinner event. Sorry we didn't get to catch up - would have been good. Last TG meeting I attended was in 2008 so I need to organise myself better and visit more often.

translateltd - 2015-11-28 20:34:00
7114

weaker die?

were you there?

All I can see is wear in the places where you'd expect to see wear on the florin. It's no better than EF.

Edited by dtpapa at 9:01 pm, Mon 30 Nov

dtpapa - 2015-11-30 21:00:00
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I was just looking at trademe sold items.

Geez.

There are some very average coins, going for very hefty prices!!

dtpapa - 2015-11-30 21:03:00
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jym - 2015-11-30 23:05:00
7117

Suggestions for category for listing Numismatic Society of Auckland 1983 Medallion celebrating 'Anniversary of New Zealand Coinage' ? - it's a 1/- so New Zealand (Pre-Decimal) ?? Thanks for opinions Peter

funho1 - 2015-12-01 17:40:00
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funho1 wrote:

Suggestions for category for listing Numismatic Society of Auckland 1983 Medallion celebrating 'Anniversary of New Zealand Coinage' ? - it's a 1/- so New Zealand (Pre-Decimal) ?? Thanks for opinions Peter

Exonumia - that covers medals and the like. It's only a shilling design, not a coin :-)

translateltd - 2015-12-01 18:08:00
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Done.

funho1 - 2015-12-02 14:59:00
7120

that over graded and over priced 1940 florin seems to have vanished. I wonder if it was sold outside trademe, to a mug?

dtpapa - 2015-12-03 09:56:00
7121

hey Martin, what's happened to that 1944 florin?

dtpapa - 2015-12-03 09:58:00
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dtpapa wrote:

hey Martin, what's happened to that 1944 florin?

I let it lapse and am keeping it. Paid too much for it originally and don't want to take a huge hit by selling low.

translateltd - 2015-12-03 10:33:00
7123

Hi, I am looking for 7X 10 cent coins one each from 2008 through to 2015, are they available to get anywhere?

ratboy7 - 2015-12-03 12:56:00
7124
ratboy7 wrote:

Hi, I am looking for 7X 10 cent coins one each from 2008 through to 2015, are they available to get anywhere?

2008 and 2010 will only be available in collector sets, as not all years were made for circulation. Some dealers do cut them out of the sets to sell individually (including on TM), so that's one way of filling the gaps.

translateltd - 2015-12-03 14:06:00
7125

Bump ...

translateltd - 2015-12-08 07:05:00
7126

987282744

List price was $8 and it's been offered at 25% off!!! What a steal!

echoriath - 2015-12-10 01:42:00
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echoriath wrote:

987282744

List price was $8 and it's been offered at 25% off!!! What a steal!

Seller, could be an alias for Dotcom Family , he maybe needing the big cashup soon.

gammoner - 2015-12-10 02:07:00
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Hi does anyone know if there is a value for swimming medals, checking on behalf of friend who found 2 medals, one says national winter championship amateur swimming association nz, the other new zealand amateur swimming association age group with a map of nz on it. Thanks.

35 - 2015-12-10 08:09:00
7129
35 wrote:

Hi does anyone know if there is a value for swimming medals, checking on behalf of friend who found 2 medals, one says national winter championship amateur swimming association nz, the other new zealand amateur swimming association age group with a map of nz on it. Thanks.

Bound to be, but I don't know of any published prices or catalogues. Googling or searching TradeMe/eBay for closed auction results might give some idea.

translateltd - 2015-12-10 09:26:00
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35 wrote:

Hi does anyone know if there is a value for swimming medals, checking on behalf of friend who found 2 medals, one says national winter championship amateur swimming association nz, the other new zealand amateur swimming association age group with a map of nz on it. Thanks.

Does not seem to be a big market for them normally $10-$25 and I can only think of a couple of us that bid on them when they get listed but if it something we have not seen before who knows where it will end up

mudeki - 2015-12-10 23:48:00
7131

Did you celebrate Fraud Awareness Week ? Are you cognisant of the fact that taking money and not sending the goods is fraud ? Of course you are aware. After all Bankers are the experts who gave the world the GFC.

alpha111 - 2015-12-11 09:05:00
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alpha111 wrote:

Did you celebrate Fraud Awareness Week ? Are you cognisant of the fact that taking money and not sending the goods is fraud ? Of course you are aware. After all Bankers are the experts who gave the world the GFC.

Don, i see your house is up for sale..were are you off to??..merry xmas every one...

chefman1 - 2015-12-11 12:34:00
7133

apparently this coin is now beautiful and stunning, AU+, and worth 8x its original ebay price!

http://www.statusint.com/ebayYi/862742.jpg

dtpapa - 2015-12-11 13:50:00
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dtpapa wrote:

apparently this coin is now beautiful and stunning, AU+, and worth 8x its original ebay price!

http://www.statusint.com/ebayYi/862742.jpg

AU+ is a bizarre concept in itself - if it's better than almost uncirculated, well, it can only be UNC, surely?

translateltd - 2015-12-11 14:48:00
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have to disagree, the condition of a coin is on a continuous spectrum. The USA grading companies have + grades. e.g MS 64+.

AU+ means a very good AU, just as a B+ means a very good B!

dtpapa - 2015-12-11 15:25:00
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dtpapa wrote:

have to disagree, the condition of a coin is on a continuous spectrum. The USA grading companies have + grades. e.g MS 64+.

AU+ means a very good AU, just as a B+ means a very good B!

I assume you have tongue in cheek there. Trying to fill a space between AU and UNC is real-estate speak at best.

translateltd - 2015-12-11 15:45:00
7137

nope, I mean exactly what I say.

But okay then, what would be your def of AU?

dtpapa - 2015-12-11 15:56:00
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Even AU is a modern concept. At one time, the slightest defect and a coin was called EF. All the inserted part-grades are just inflationary. The merest trace of handling on an otherwise UNC coin makes it AU in my book, just like a teller's flick on an otherwise UNC banknote. There's no scope for anything in between.

translateltd - 2015-12-11 16:09:00
7139

according to John Bertrand catalogue

AU: close, but not quite uncirc. The term gEF has a similar meaning.

dtpapa - 2015-12-11 16:48:00
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dtpapa wrote:

according to John Bertrand catalogue

AU: close, but not quite uncirc. The term gEF has a similar meaning.

Yep, don't have a problem with that. No-one says gEF+ yet, I hope.

translateltd - 2015-12-11 17:15:00
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gEF is the same as EF+,

and you haven't yet defined your lower limit for AU?

dtpapa - 2015-12-11 17:39:00
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dtpapa wrote:

gEF is the same as EF+,

I think I've been around long enough to know that :-)

Since it doesn't appear to be obvious, my lower limit for AU is about one-third of the way between EF and UNC, since there is essentially no difference between gEF and AU. Though how anyone can define that with any degree of precision is beyond me, let alone postulate even finer gradations in between those points.

You and I both know that there are inexperienced (and a few experienced) eyes that will try to talk up VF examples into the EF range, at which point any discussion of fine gradations becomes totally meaningless.

Edited by translateltd at 6:34 pm, Fri 11 Dec

translateltd - 2015-12-11 18:26:00
7143

the point exactly, there are fine graduations, and a coin that is in the VF range, but is not quite EF, can be called VF+, to indicate that it is better than the 'average' VF

and for the AU you'd have to agree that a coin with the merest trace of handling is going to be clearly better than an average AU, and to call it AU+ is not a bad means by which to indicate this.

dtpapa - 2015-12-11 18:51:00
7144

The Coin that you are talking about is not AU or UNC.. i would call it E/F
BECAUSE it has wear and tear on the kings beard.??
if i was going to buy one i would by one off a nz coin dealer not ebay sorry to
say

chefman1 - 2015-12-11 20:05:00
7145
dtpapa wrote:

the point exactly, there are fine graduations, and a coin that is in the VF range, but is not quite EF, can be called VF+, to indicate that it is better than the 'average' VF

and for the AU you'd have to agree that a coin with the merest trace of handling is going to be clearly better than an average AU, and to call it AU+ is not a bad means by which to indicate this.

We're going around in circles here. I learned about intermediate grades about 40 years ago so you aren't teaching me anything new. I'd like to drop out of this particular conversation now.

translateltd - 2015-12-11 20:54:00
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"Trying to fill a space between AU and UNC is real-estate speak at best."

you said it.

dtpapa - 2015-12-12 07:35:00
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chefman1 wrote:

The Coin that you are talking about is not AU or UNC.. i would call it E/F
BECAUSE it has wear and tear on the kings beard.??
if i was going to buy one i would by one off a nz coin dealer not ebay sorry to
say


I'd call it VF+ at best

dtpapa - 2015-12-12 07:37:00
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dtpapa wrote:

"Trying to fill a space between AU and UNC is real-estate speak at best."

you said it.

Real estate agents don't enjoy the highest confidence in the eyes of many people due to their..... creativity with language, especially where adjectives are concerned.

I do know where you are coming from. The US goes to that "Choice" term to convey the in-between nature of a coin. It does get tricky when certain coins are more prone to wear than others. I've given the example of the Standing Liberty Quarter before in this general context. Once it was redesigned due to issues of wear, the standards by which it is graded had to be changed. PCGS actually separates them into two categories based on that redesign.

echoriath - 2015-12-12 11:07:00
7149

Got my first commemorative ANZAC 50 cent piece in change today.

echoriath - 2015-12-12 16:24:00
7150

And over we go.

echoriath - 2015-12-12 16:25:00
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