THE NEW COIN CLUB
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| 6501 | Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies and oldbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for oldbies and newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions. No one has all the answers, and you may get five differing answers to the same question, yet each may be right in a manner of speaking, especially if opinions are involved. Opinions often vary. If you receive no answer to your query within 48 hours, please ask again. gammoner - 2015-06-18 22:21:00 |
| 6502 | dtpapa wrote:
Another difficulty comes with defining "cleaned", not to mention the time frame in which that may have happened. Clearly with a less circulated coin, whether or not it has been cleaned becomes easier to determine, and with a more circulated coin, it may be an arguably moot point. But if something was cleaned 80 years ago and has since redeveloped a patina, I'm not sure how detectable a cleaning would be, unless it was a reasonably aggressive cleaning. But what constitutes cleaning? A dip in hot water? A bit of dish soap. Rubbing with a lemon? A good hit with Brasso? An angle grinder with a steel brush? echoriath - 2015-06-18 23:36:00 |
| 6503 | This message was deleted. muzz8 - 2015-06-19 00:09:00 |
| 6504 | Morning all. Hope we didn't get out of the wrong side of the bed this morning and will have a very enjoyable day expanding the world of coins to the masses. wasgonna - 2015-06-19 10:01:00 |
| 6505 | wasgonna wrote:
Yes, think the 24 hr Pharmacy was temporally closed last night. gammoner - 2015-06-19 12:18:00 |
| 6506 | mudeki wrote:
you don't understand the grading system, MS 63 BN, MS="mint state" "uncirculated" RD="BU' in NZ coin parlance simple enough? Edited by dtpapa at 2:52 pm, Fri 19 Jun dtpapa - 2015-06-19 14:50:00 |
| 6507 | Simple enough, and I think everyone here has "got it", only that coin ain't mint state, and I wonder whether some of the toning is a residue from cleaning with some kind of alcohol. And given that most TPGs spend about 10 seconds per coin, no way can that be enough to ensure accuracy on a 70-point scale, especially when you consider that time also includes printing the label and sealing the coin before moving onto the next one. But hey, if you have faith in them, who's going to try and stop you? translateltd - 2015-06-19 15:27:00 |
| 6508 | they spend more time than that. You need to stop believing the propaganda. If the graders (and there are more than one grading the same coin) believe a coin had been chemically altered then it will be designated non gradable. A coin viewed in such high resolution will show all sorts of unsightly scuffs and scratches that will be hardly noticeable to the naked eye. Perhaps MS63 is too high, MS62 maybe, but that's just one subjective opinion. There can be no exact boundaries between grades, by the very nature of the concept. dtpapa - 2015-06-19 16:20:00 |
| 6509 | 105 in front of the Stamp Club. alpha111 - 2015-06-19 17:00:00 |
| 6510 | alpha111 wrote:
Well if we can get Don to jump ship that would be 50% less traffic in the stamp club. gammoner - 2015-06-19 17:22:00 |
| 6511 | Mudeki Come back to coin thread. lester36 - 2015-06-20 16:07:00 |
| 6512 | lester36 wrote:
Thanks for the offer Lester but i might pass on the badge mudeki - 2015-06-21 09:42:00 |
| 6513 | I thought NZPost was already slow but I wonder how bad it will get with all the rain around the manawatu as I am sure I read somewhere that there is only 3 mail sorting hubs in the country now Palmerston North being one of them. Does that means all the mail from wellington gets sent to Palmy to be sorted then sent back it seem a bit crazy. It took 4 weeks to get a letter from a friend in aussie recently that had us both worried and 5 days for a letter to go from one end of palmy to the other. mudeki - 2015-06-21 09:56:00 |
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| 6517 | Nice work Muzz. I agree looking at the D is easier I printed this photo and have it on my wall by my desk lol 86,87 & 88 bead types for 3d's mudeki - 2015-06-21 16:34:00 |
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| 6519 | oh o just want to check what year catalogue you have? there was a little mix up in the 2014 catalogue mudeki - 2015-06-21 19:08:00 |
| 6520 | Attached are snippets of the New Zealand Coins and Varieties catalogue in 1967 https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/391843189.jpg mudeki - 2015-06-21 19:19:00 |
| 6521 | This message was deleted. muzz8 - 2015-06-21 20:36:00 |
| 6522 | muzz8 wrote:
Sadly yes 86 dots is the one you want I will take a photo in a sec of the 2015 catalogue I hope they wont mind that mudeki - 2015-06-21 20:48:00 |
| 6523 | Damm issues with me getting to trademe pages tonight https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/391858793.jpg mudeki - 2015-06-21 21:05:00 |
| 6524 | mudeki wrote: gammoner - 2015-06-21 21:13:00 |
| 6525 | Glad its not just me I was just trying to work out what was wrong with my connection lol mudeki - 2015-06-21 21:19:00 |
| 6526 | Lester's 1967 book unfortunately named the type A and B coins for 1957 based on their relative scarcity rather than looking at the most likely sequence of manufacture, which is why even the correct attributions in the 2015 catalogue look messy on the pricing page. I'm convinced the type B coins were made first, using the same die as for the 1956 "with strap" type, before being recut (type A), and the type A obverse then continued in use from 1958 onwards. If I have it right, the sequence of manufacture would be: translateltd - 2015-06-21 21:53:00 |
| 6527 | This message was deleted. jym - 2015-06-21 21:56:00 |
| 6528 | jym wrote:
Its Trademe mudeki - 2015-06-21 22:17:00 |
| 6529 | translateltd wrote:
I can never get it right *facepalm* and its stuck on my wall and I still have to stop and think about is haha mudeki - 2015-06-21 22:20:00 |
| 6530 | Hopefully you find some of the other ones Muzz Also check out the H of the on the obverse it sometimes has a die crack but often hard to find. So far it is the only die fault I have found on the obverse so if you find anything else let me know :-) mudeki - 2015-06-21 22:37:00 |
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| 6532 | This message was deleted. muzz8 - 2015-06-22 04:56:00 |
| 6533 | Jason's pic also shows how the letters were recut with the change to the "with strap" type, too - the letters on the 88-dot (strapless) coin are thicker, with no serifs, while the D in particular on the 86 and 87-dot coins has a residual serif top and bottom, and the centre of the upright is thinner. translateltd - 2015-06-22 08:01:00 |
| 6534 | I will have to do an update for the new 2014 coins as the dies have been recut so I wonder if any slipped through with the old type. ( I doubt it but who knows lol) Here is the difference on the 20 cent coins the day I got them will update some of the others when time permits Edited by mudeki at 2:32 pm, Mon 22 Jun mudeki - 2015-06-22 14:30:00 |
| 6535 | This message was deleted. muzz8 - 2015-06-22 18:13:00 |
| 6536 | muzz8 wrote:
No (I hope) and yes, respectively. Type B comes before type A. See Jason's scans of the Lester 1967 book and the 2015 Premier. translateltd - 2015-06-22 18:29:00 |
| 6537 | https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/392131436.jpg 1956 & 1957 threepence errors for you muzz Edited by chefman1 at 6:40 pm, Mon 22 Jun chefman1 - 2015-06-22 18:37:00 |
| 6538 | Hey Chefman good to see you still keep an eye on us :-) Any ideas on what to call this fault? I have multiples and they are all unique so its not a die fault and all taken from mint rolls Edited by mudeki at 7:04 pm, Mon 22 Jun mudeki - 2015-06-22 18:58:00 |
| 6539 | This message was deleted. muzz8 - 2015-06-22 19:19:00 |
| 6540 | mudeki wrote:
"Bird Shot" or "Salt Shot" gammoner - 2015-06-22 19:20:00 |
| 6541 | mudeki wrote:
It looks like the same effect you get from rusty dies when people re-strike coins/tokens with dies that have been lying around for a while (lots known from the 19th century, for example). If they're all different, though, that's a bit weird. Does it look like a blistering fault on the planchet itself? I guess it's a possibility on a "sandwiched" coin such as this, if the layers haven't bonded properly or if moisture got between the layers somehow. translateltd - 2015-06-22 19:20:00 |
| 6542 | chefman1 wrote:
When are you coming up to Auckland next Peter? gammoner - 2015-06-22 19:21:00 |
| 6543 | muzz8 wrote:
Haha it kinda does. This one must be after a very messy sneeze https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/392141037.jpg mudeki - 2015-06-22 19:21:00 |
| 6544 | translateltd wrote:
I suspect it is on the planchet itself apparently (after I asked on an international forum) this happens with a number of Canadian coins also. They could not think of what it should be called but they did mention a plating issue. So far this appears on most of our silver colour coinage since 2006 including the new 2014 coins. mudeki - 2015-06-22 19:26:00 |
| 6545 | mudeki wrote:
You probably don't want to trash any of the coins but I'm curious about whether any of the "flakes" will break loose if you rub them with a thumbnail, for instance, and whether the copper layer below will show through if they do. If that does happen, then "blistering" might be as concise a description as any for what's happening. translateltd - 2015-06-22 19:49:00 |
| 6546 | Can anyone give me an estimate what an 1813 George III coin would fetch? molly37 - 2015-06-22 20:14:00 |
| 6547 | translateltd wrote:
I found one that had this fault to a very small extent and it does scratch off. https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/392153505.jpg mudeki - 2015-06-22 20:17:00 |
| 6548 | molly37 wrote:
Without a photo, the range would be rather a wide one. ETA: Here's a place to do some research yourself if you like: This is just a guideline, but gives you some ideas, especially if you have more older coins. A quick search there myself revealed not a lot of possibilities for denominations for that particular year. If it's an Eighteen Pence Bank Token, the price range of 20-125 pounds depending on grade; less than 20 if it's really worn out. Others here can probably give more specific information for why that is, but I'm especially curious now to see a picture of your coin. Does it look like the first one on this page: Edited by echoriath at 8:40 pm, Mon 22 Jun echoriath - 2015-06-22 20:25:00 |
| 6549 | "Others here can probably give more specific information for why that is, but I'm especially curious now to see a picture of your coin. " Meaning, why there were so few coins made during a considerable portion of his reign. May not interest you, but now I'm curious. echoriath - 2015-06-22 20:42:00 |
| 6550 | 50...turn page >>>>>> Edited by chefman1 at 8:49 pm, Mon 22 Jun chefman1 - 2015-06-22 20:48:00 |
