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gammoner - 2015-06-01 18:12:00

translateltd wrote:

This thread - in German - says there are two versions, one in .750 gold, and another in .925 silver and coated in 22ct gold. Unless there's any certification with it, they could be difficult to tell apart without knowing the respective weights.

http://www.emuenzen.de/forum/medaillen/55799-suche-gedenkmue
nze-100-jahre-farbwerke-hoechst-ag-1963-a.html

This coin is 8g, in a kitchen digital scale and is 23mm diameter by what looks like less than a mm thick, maybe 0.8mm as a guess, feels heavy for its size...

zak410 - 2015-06-01 22:44:00

zak410 wrote:

This coin is 8g, in a kitchen digital scale and is 23mm diameter by what looks like less than a mm thick, maybe 0.8mm as a guess, feels heavy for its size...

Sounds positive. Probably too thin to be coated silver in that case. Msg 6 in the quoted thread compares the size, weight and thickness to a German Imperial 20 mark coin, which was slightly smaller but of higher gold fineness, so a slightly larger module and lower fineness but matching weight in the case of the medal should offset each other, if you see what I mean.

translateltd - 2015-06-02 08:14:00

translateltd wrote:

Sounds positive. Probably too thin to be coated silver in that case. Msg 6 in the quoted thread compares the size, weight and thickness to a German Imperial 20 mark coin, which was slightly smaller but of higher gold fineness, so a slightly larger module and lower fineness but matching weight in the case of the medal should offset each other, if you see what I mean.

Yes and thanks, I know what you mean;

How would you go about putting a reserve price on something like this, and do you know of overseas auction sites dealing with that kind of coins?

Edited by zak410 at 2:16 pm, Tue 2 Jun

zak410 - 2015-06-02 14:14:00

zak410 wrote:

How would you go about putting a reserve price on something like this, and do you know of overseas auction sites dealing with that kind of coins?

Overseas is a problem because of postal restrictions. If you're a gambler, you could start on TradeMe at $1 and hope the bidding reaches the level you want; otherwise start with a high reserve and if it doesn't sell, lower it a little every time you re-list, until someone is prepared to bid.

translateltd - 2015-06-02 14:40:00

zak410 wrote:

Yes and thanks, I know what you mean;

How would you go about putting a reserve price on something like this, and do you know of overseas auction sites dealing with that kind of coins?

May pay to confirm that it is actual gold and not plated, that way you will get collectors like myself bidding accordingly.

gammoner - 2015-06-02 16:01:00

gammoner wrote:

May pay to confirm that it is actual gold and not plated, that way you will get collectors like myself bidding accordingly.

Good idea, I guess I got to find a ..valuer?

It looks like it is a medallion for the centenary of the firm 'Hoechst AG'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoechst_AG

Here is a phone picture of the other side, bad camera and light but readable; also shows the small damage on the edge.
http://iforce.co.nz/i/wrwsdlw4.var.jpg

zak410 - 2015-06-03 13:07:00

Someone trying to pass nickel off as silver - despite my best efforts to be diplomatic in the Q&A: 897283266

translateltd - 2015-06-03 14:22:00

translateltd wrote:

Someone trying to pass nickel off as silver - despite my best efforts to be diplomatic in the Q&A: 897283266

I have asked for the coin dates.

gammoner - 2015-06-03 15:37:00

translateltd wrote:

Someone trying to pass nickel off as silver - despite my best efforts to be diplomatic in the Q&A: 897283266

That's terrible, but don't worry I'm not selling anything, just interested to find out all I can about valuing this gold medallion of mine.

It definitely 'feels' like gold when in my hand and I still have to accurately measure its thickness, but it could infact be 1mm thick and in that case 8g would indicates gold?

http://www.traditionaloven.com/metal/precious-metals/gold/co
nvert-cubic-millimetre-mm3-gold-to-gram-g-of-gold.html

Amount : 415.26 cubic millimeters (mm3 of gold)
Equals : 8.01 grams (g / gold)

Edited by zak410 at 4:13 pm, Wed 3 Jun

zak410 - 2015-06-03 16:10:00

zak410 wrote:

That's terrible, but don't worry I'm not selling anything, just interested to find out all I can about valuing this gold medallion of mine.

It definitely 'feels' like gold when in my hand and I still have to accurately measure its thickness, but it could infact be 1mm thick and in that case 8g would indicates gold?

Don't worry, the nickel/silver question related to someone else :-)

Your description of the Hoechst medal's thickness sounds very plausible, and I imagine it's (a) too thin and (b) too heavy to be plated silver, as I mentioned above with the comment about the comparison with the German 20 marks. It isn't conclusive, unfortunately, just my impression.

translateltd - 2015-06-03 16:30:00

gammoner wrote:

I have asked for the coin dates.

I already did that, and he dodged it. Could be fun to ask how many are not magnetic, though :-)

translateltd - 2015-06-03 16:34:00

Done.

funho1 - 2015-06-03 19:38:00

translateltd wrote:

I already did that, and he dodged it. Could be fun to ask how many are not magnetic, though :-)

All post 1965.

gammoner - 2015-06-03 20:51:00

gammoner wrote:

All post 1965.

The pre-65 silver ones are a different design anyway - that's what I meant about trying to be diplomatic :-)

translateltd - 2015-06-03 21:09:00

It's probably been said before but -
By not dealing appropriately with fakes TM are shooting themselves in the foot by discouraging legitimate trading. Unfortunately they are also shooting the feet of any one who is trying to sell the genuine article.

chrisr5 - 2015-06-03 23:16:00

chrisr5 wrote:

It's probably been said before but -
By not dealing appropriately with fakes TM are shooting themselves in the foot by discouraging legitimate trading. Unfortunately they are also shooting the feet of any one who is trying to sell the genuine article.

Yep, I'm still debating whether to get out of coins entirely while there's still time. Not just TM's doing, but the whole nature of the market now, with uncertain legitimacy on the one hand and piles of NCLT rubbish posing as coins on the other ...

translateltd - 2015-06-04 06:53:00

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muzz8 - 2015-06-04 07:06:00

muzz8 wrote:

sorry- what is NCLT -non circulating??

Google is your friend :-) Non-circulating legal tender. An expression "coined" in the States to cover the medallic issues that aren't intended for circulation. I prefer CLO, myself (= "coin-like objects").

translateltd - 2015-06-04 08:00:00

translateltd wrote:

Google is your friend :-) Non-circulating legal tender. An expression "coined" in the States to cover the medallic issues that aren't intended for circulation. I prefer CLO, myself (= "coin-like objects").

CLO NES

gammoner - 2015-06-04 09:56:00

"Nearly everything suspect"

gammoner - 2015-06-04 09:58:00

Only 66 behind now.
Anyone have any interesting finds lately

lester36 - 2015-06-05 07:17:00

Is there more then the 1 coin club in Auckland?

gammoner - 2015-06-05 13:32:00

gammoner wrote:

Is there more then the 1 coin club in Auckland?

Not that I know of - the old Auckland Coin Club (and the former Auckland Branch RNSNZ?) merged with the NSA quite a while ago.

translateltd - 2015-06-05 14:45:00

Maybe room for another ?

gammoner - 2015-06-05 14:49:00

gammoner wrote:

Maybe room for another ?

Why? I'm never a fan of fragmentation - better to beef up the existing one if possible. There have been breakaway clubs but after a while you get exactly the same people in the exec of both, doing double duty, then they wind up merging. Same thing happened with the Wellington Coin Club in the end. Might as well cut out the middle step and go for a stronger entity straight off.

translateltd - 2015-06-05 20:31:00

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muzz8 - 2015-06-06 16:43:00

Martin will recognize this one as an old old friend (Well not that old). Listing #: 899003400 There seems to be a batch being re-released.

alpha111 - 2015-06-06 17:19:00

alpha111 wrote:

Martin will recognize this one as an old old friend (Well not that old). Listing #: 899003400 There seems to be a batch being re-released.

Yep, another off the "authentic replicas" board. I've even had museums enquire about some of those items.

translateltd - 2015-06-06 18:29:00

translateltd wrote:

Yep, another off the "authentic replicas" board. I've even had museums enquire about some of those items.

It won't weigh 10.34g as quoted, either. Here's a worn but real one alongside the muck-metal copy. Real one weighs 9.4g, the copy only 4.4g. Even worn, the bronze has a more convincing effigy.

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/388422178.jpg

translateltd - 2015-06-06 23:09:00

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oldecurb - 2015-06-06 23:38:00

alpha111 wrote:

Martin will recognize this one as an old old friend (Well not that old). Listing #: 899003400 There seems to be a batch being re-released.

I see TM have moved this one to Reproductions in the meantime.

translateltd - 2015-06-07 07:45:00

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muzz8 - 2015-06-07 09:22:00

muzz8 wrote:

yes replica-fake-reproduction-toke-
n-copy-unreal coin-souvenier-chinese coin

Than again- maybe the real one that has been used to make copies(master) , but i doubt it
shall we ask him what the weight is- and if it is magnetic

It didn't ring any alarm bells with me (apart from guilt by association with the seller's history) - just assume it has been cleaned.

translateltd - 2015-06-07 09:38:00

Another two, perhaps three, "authentic replicas" here, too - they're coming thick and fast: 899048029

translateltd - 2015-06-07 14:20:00

I have a question about coin flips both cardboard and clear. I have tried a few brands to store UNC coins and some have worked and others have failed terribly at protecting my coins and keeping the full mint lustre.

In the past I thought buying some of the bigger brands would be a good idea although it was more expensive but sadly some of the coins I stored in the cheap china made holders are in better condition. So was wanting to know what others are using to make sure I have tired everything or if there is any to avoid

also is there any easy way to test the plastic on the cardboard flips?

mudeki - 2015-06-07 14:27:00

alpha111 wrote:

Martin will recognize this one as an old old friend (Well not that old). Listing #: 899003400 There seems to be a batch being re-released.

GONE

lester36 - 2015-06-07 14:58:00

mudeki wrote:

I have a question about coin flips both cardboard and clear. I have tried a few brands to store UNC coins and some have worked and others have failed terribly at protecting my coins and keeping the full mint lustre.

In the past I thought buying some of the bigger brands would be a good idea although it was more expensive but sadly some of the coins I stored in the cheap china made holders are in better condition. So was wanting to know what others are using to make sure I have tired everything or if there is any to avoid

also is there any easy way to test the plastic on the cardboard flips?

I went through some of the same problems. I used to use Lighthouse 2x2's with high quality staples (I don't trust the adhesive ones long term). Housed in groups within airtight containers and some silica gel. This seems to work ok for lower range coins (but the cardboard dust can mark the coins over time), I've slowly started moving over to mylar Saflips for the mid range stuff just for the ease of printing up tickets to keep track of them. Again in airtight containers with some silica gel. High end stuff goes in nice holders.

numismatist - 2015-06-07 16:07:00

alpha111 wrote:

Martin will recognize this one as an old old friend (Well not that old). Listing #: 899003400 There seems to be a batch being re-released.

Well done all round, lads, for getting clarity and accuracy in the marketplace.

echoriath - 2015-06-07 20:28:00

echoriath wrote:

Well done all round, lads, for getting clarity and accuracy in the marketplace.

This is not a replica of you post.

abro085 - 2015-06-08 16:22:00

abro085 wrote:

This is not a replica of you post.

But this is

gammoner - 2015-06-08 16:41:00

anyone like to have a guess as to what price this coin has just gone for on the ebay?

http://www.pcgs.com/cert/31745615

dtpapa - 2015-06-08 19:07:00

dtpapa wrote:

anyone like to have a guess as to what price this coin has just gone for on the ebay?

http://www.pcgs.com/cert/31745615

I dread to think. Certainly interesting, ignoring the big thumbprint at the bottom of the obverse. Looks like a small die crack on rev, about four dots down from the Y, pointing up toward the tail. And the tail seems to lack the "centre line" down the tail that's visible on a quite worn example in front of me now.

translateltd - 2015-06-08 20:41:00

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muzz8 - 2015-06-08 20:51:00

muzz8 wrote:

bought the Prussian silver for $25.00- hope it is for real

I'll donate $5 to you if it is

gammoner - 2015-06-08 21:22:00

muzz8 wrote:

bought the Prussian silver for $25.00- hope it is for real

The one illustrated in the catalogue is a smaller portrait variety (though it helpfully says "varieties exist"). There's one with a bulkier portrait more like yours here: http://tinyurl.com/bran6gr1681
Note that Krause also helpfully puts these under Brandenburg rather than Prussia.

Edited by translateltd at 9:48 pm, Mon 8 Jun

translateltd - 2015-06-08 21:45:00

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muzz8 - 2015-06-09 07:54:00

muzz8 wrote:

thanks for info- i need to find diameter and weight- so i can check it-

Google is still your best friend here, since Krause omits both as far as I recall from last night: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=%221681%22+%22brandenburg%22+%226+g
r%C3%B6scher%22+%22weight%22+%22diameter%22

I find weights of 3.25, 3.37, 3.48 and 3.62 g for four examples, so there's a little bit of variation. Diameter 24 mm: http://www.ma-shops.ru/pollandt/item.php5?id=46838&lang=
ru&curr=RUBEUR

translateltd - 2015-06-09 10:38:00

those crazy seppos and their obsession with nice toning!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-New-Zealand-PCGS-MS64BN-New-Zea
land-Colorful-Toned-Proof-1D-KM-24-1-/371340642157?nma=true&
amp;si=N3S04%252FeGYO7Eo%252Bj4B%252BiGRTioER0%253D&orig
_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

can't quite see that lovely blue and red toning in the pcgs photo, I have to say. Or maybe there's just a hint of it? But as Nicholas Edward Cave once said, at a certain angle, and in a certain light!

Edited by dtpapa at 2:27 pm, Tue 9 Jun

dtpapa - 2015-06-09 14:16:00

dtpapa wrote:

those crazy seppos and their obsession with nice toning!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-New-Zealand-PCGS-MS64BN-New-Zea
land-Colorful-Toned-Proof-1D-KM-24-1-/371340642157?nma=true&
amp;si=N3S04%252FeGYO7Eo%252Bj4B%252BiGRTioER0%253D&orig
_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

can't quite see that lovely blue and red toning in the pcgs photo, I have to say. Or maybe there's just a hint of it? But as Nicholas Edward Cave once said, at a certain angle, and in a certain light!

If that's the same one, it looks very different - no sign of what looked like the die crack, and the line down the tail is present and correct here.

translateltd - 2015-06-09 18:01:00