Received my first opened registered letter from oversees.
Noticed this only when I got home that the letter had broken seals and content may have been viewed, nothing missing though.

Maybe this is part of the the newley annouced spying security system which was introduced.

If no offical indication of a search occurred is applied then there are concerns.
I certainly will check my next Registered letter received - check yours !

philafarinz - 2013-08-21 16:52:00

digmen1 wrote:

A tenth of Gibbons!
That means the market has fallen right out of stamp collecting.
Like many other things.
At that price I wont be selling my stamps

Stamp collecting is a funny old game and to get the best price for any stamp is the condition.The perfect MNH stamp full gum ,perfect centering,perfect perfs,fresh colour etc will get you a premium price often more than catalogue on top of that if it is specialized eg what printing ,paper ,watermark etc even more.
The same goes for used but with the following exceptions,in the southern hemisphere a nice cancel off the main body of the stamp along with the above descriptions.In the northern Hemisphere a Bullseye cancel is more exceptable.These are just generalizations as there are many exceptions to the rule. Stanley Gibbons is a simplified Cat as well as ACS,Jury etc but if you read carefully you will see that Condition and some of the above make a big difference in price.Many stamps will go above Cat price because of those reasons.
A lot of what you see on Trademe is rubbish and therefore rubbish prices.
Knowledge is king so don't give up and play it smart get good advice , take your time ,try your local Stamp club ,Google and your local library are good places to start.
A lot of stamp dealers and collectors are very approachable and will let you pick their brains. ( a wealth of knowledge between the two),
It is not all doom and gloom so watch out for the scaremongers.

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rebel58 - 2013-08-22 07:13:00

philafarinz wrote:

Received my first opened registered letter from oversees.
Noticed this only when I got home that the letter had broken seals and content may have been viewed, nothing missing though.

Maybe this is part of the the newley annouced spying security system which was introduced.

If no offical indication of a search occurred is applied then there are concerns.
I certainly will check my next Registered letter received - check yours !

I have nothing to hide so I am not worried.
Another silly conspiracy theory?

rebel58 - 2013-08-22 07:19:00

I will buy mainland China at a 1/10 of cat all day anyday.(I wish?)

rebel58 - 2013-08-22 07:53:00

o.k. now that I have purchased it, can anyone identify this and tell me much about it? P99919980

bca - 2013-08-22 15:53:00

rebel58 wrote:

I have nothing to hide so I am not worried.
Another silly conspiracy theory?

I too, have nothing to hide and the registration is to ensure that the items are track recorded to their destination. In my case to me.
Having received thousands of registered mail from all over, I am not familiar of any reason the mail should be unofficially opened bar a pilfering attempt or wanton security spy - no theory, just what is perceived.

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muzz8 - 2013-08-22 18:37:00

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For someone who would back the crusaders (the losers )over the mighty chiefs(no4 to no1) to have any idea about what things are worth per Stanley Gibbons catalogue astounds me- I think you need more than one eye to be a good philatelist hic

Two All Black captains in the team and the most represented franchise in the team what is it?
A good part of the rest have been members of what Franchise?
Silly person you are.
The big picture tells it all.
Obviously the small pee pee syndrome is kicking in here.

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donaldo - 2013-08-22 20:19:00

donaldo wrote:

hic
roll on 2014 to sort out the team for the world cup,etc

Well if we are talking about results the "Chiefs have won 2 finals and have been runners-up once. Not bad for a team just south of the Bombay Hills.
Whereas "The Crusaders" have won "7" finals and have been runners-up "3" times.
I think the figures show which team is better.

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teddybearlover - 2013-08-22 20:36:00

bca wrote:

o.k. now that I have purchased it, can anyone identify this and tell me much about it? P99919980

Can't bring up anything with this lot number. Perhaps you can check the number.

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muzz8 - 2013-08-23 02:43:00

sorry guys, try this :629775338

I would appreciate help in knowing what the heck it is, probably should have found out before buying it, but where is the fun in that LOL

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digmen1 - 2013-08-23 08:06:00

digmen1 wrote:

Is this the Stamp club or the Rugby club ?

What is the going rate for British Comonwealth stuff on TM

Easy enough for you to look for your self,put stuff on your watch list and then see prices realized then compare.
For the most part I don't even bother selling commonwealth/world on Trademe as the worldwide market cant bid, do you are best to sell that lot on Ebay, there are exceptions to the rule of course.
Remember Catalouges are only a loose guide and are not the bible.All the stamps that they sell from those are supposed to be top of the line ,near perfect stamps.
As the Northern Hemisphere are moving into fall they will be pulling out the stamp albums again and buying so better prices will be realized.
Most stamp collections are made up of more common stamps and therefore the low prices.Look for low printings eg in the thousands and not the millions, high monetary values and then the postmarks, centering ,condition etc.
Educate yourself and it will pay off.
In my opinion(and it is only mine) a pulled perf ,blunt perfs ,bad centre,heavy postmark etc etc are spacefillers and therefore the price should be adjusted way lower.
I remember resurrecting my childhood collection back in 2000 with $$$$ signs in my eyes and what a kick in the nuts that was!!! But I did have some gems and that started me off again.Education ,smart buying and selling is the answer.

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rebel58 - 2013-08-23 09:10:00

donaldo wrote:

dream on and keep writing crap

Sorry Don I was only referring to your Quote
--and you will find that with a little practice on trademe that you can buy at a tenth gibbons--but of course you might not get as much for your stamps either.
Or was that all crap?
Why give Crappy advice and then jump on me for using it?

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digmen1 - 2013-08-23 09:24:00

digmen1 wrote:

Thanks for that very informative post.

Here is a very informative and very intelligent quote from the coin club thread (oddly enough) but it does cross over to this subject.

Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

No one has all the answers, and you may get five differing answers to the
same question, yet each may be right in a manner of speaking, especially if opinions are involved. Opinions often vary. If you receive no answer to your query within 48 hours, please ask again.

rebel58 - 2013-08-23 10:06:00

teddybearlover wrote:

Well if we are talking about results the "Chiefs have won 2 finals and have been runners-up once. Not bad for a team just south of the Bombay Hills.
Whereas "The Crusaders" have won "7" finals and have been runners-up "3" times.
I think the figures show which team is better.

Exactly !!!
Also the current All Black coach comes from what
franchise ?
One of the Chiefs coaches comes from what franchise?
The list goes on and on .I will make a long term prediction the next All Black coach will come from the Crusaders!!!!!!!!!
Poor old Muzz has forgotten his roots and is really a Quisling , born and breed in Canterbury.
Perhaps he will have no one to talk to up there and will get lonely if they know the truth?
Or perhaps he is off his medications again?

rebel58 - 2013-08-23 10:17:00

sorry guys, try this :629775338

I would appreciate help in knowing what the heck it is, probably should have found out before buying it, but where is the fun in that LOL

I will try again, before someone fills this page up with rugby stuff -

bca - 2013-08-23 11:07:00

bca wrote:

sorry guys, try this :629775338

I would appreciate help in knowing what the heck it is, probably should have found out before buying it, but where is the fun in that LOL

I will try again, before someone fills this page up with rugby stuff -

Anyone collect rugby related stamps???????

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muzz8 - 2013-08-23 14:49:00

bca wrote:

sorry guys, try this :629775338

I would appreciate help in knowing what the heck it is, probably should have found out before buying it, but where is the fun in that LOL

I will try again, before someone fills this page up with rugby stuff -

Send scans to the all NZSDA members as all don't partake in the stamp collecting thread contact details will be on their website.
Looks to be a Cinderella.
Not from any stamp essays that I have seen.

rebel58 - 2013-08-23 23:32:00

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This is a stamp club made up of afew collectors from the AWESOME Waikato/BOP region ,and most other regions of NZ and includes a few losers from Canterbury, who maybe should stick to the little they know about stamps, and leave rugby to the experts--Maybe Robbie Deans should go back and try and resurrect this team(Crusaders), now that he has become a reject, they could not do much worse !!!!!

What about Waikato losing Ranfurly Shield to Otago.

twg1935 - 2013-08-23 23:44:00

twg1935 wrote:

What about Waikato losing Ranfurly Shield to Otago.

You still up,get to bed!!!!!!
Stop Picking on the Knuckle dragger.

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donaldo - 2013-08-24 12:52:00

muzz8 wrote:

This is a stamp club made up of afew collectors from the AWESOME Waikato/BOP region ,and most other regions of NZ and includes a few losers from Canterbury, who maybe should stick to the little they know about stamps, and leave rugby to the experts--Maybe Robbie Deans should go back and try and resurrect this team(Crusaders), now that he has become a reject, they could not do much worse !!!!!

Thanks Murray. its nice to know you consider me a Canterbury looser. How about lifting the tone around here and agree that we love our hobby, Might enjoy sport as well but don't go around calling each other loosers. We have many great stamp collectors here in Canterbury (Several who are on trademe and some who comment here) and our local philatelic community is without peer in the country. We have wonderful clubrooms, several active societies and lots of regular philatelic events each month. Just this last few months the Robin Startup Postal History archive and library (Previously based in Masterton) has been added to the list of philatelic resources available in Christchurch.

if you speak with your tongue in cheek then you will end up sounding like an idiot.

Lets be positive and use this forum to benefit the hobby.

kiwisteven - 2013-08-25 11:51:00

donaldo wrote:

A bit like the catalogues getting all the prices wrong on the likes of pitcairn is,cook is,tristan da cunha,etc a few years ago --
just to keep stamps involved

I sold a lot of Malta stamps to a customer yesterday and as usual charged NZ$ for 1 pounds catalogue value. However Stanley Gibbons catalogue prices for Malta are so low that they have really tough middle value stamps priced at just 10p each. Very unrealistic but sometimes if you use a catalogue I guess you have to take the good with the bad!

kiwisteven - 2013-08-25 11:58:00

All those interested in New Zealand Postal history are invited to come along this Wednesday night 7.30pm to the New Zealand stamp Collectors club meeting as we will be having the well known Stephen Jones talk and display on this topic. Stephen has in recent years formed a superb collection.

The meeting is at the Philatelic Centre, 67 Mandeville St, Riccarton in Christchurch. A free Tea or coffee and biscuits is free.

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muzz8 - 2013-08-25 13:31:00

yes, Kapiti was a trial region and the new packs are quite nice and easy to use......It will standardise prices and make postage much easier I think???

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donaldo - 2013-08-25 19:36:00

donaldo wrote:

but muzz8 we have been over this and the fact that the $14 item had no insurance value once it left new zealand
but it will be interesting to hear what other 'dealers' use

I think it will mean that we are being encourage to spend a lot more to use a system that specially excludes all risk of loss to the carrier and means we are helpless to get a satisfactory cover at under a cost than the products we sell are worth. As it is you pay for a service which you may or may not get and you have no comeback. As soon as somebody finds or invents a systems of sending small packets with a gaurenteed tracking for under $20 then we will all rejoice.

kiwisteven - 2013-08-25 20:08:00

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I think you will find the correct term is LOSER not LOOSER- which loosely means hic that you have LOST something
Canterbury--- amongst other things in recent few years has lost the Super15 several times, so are considered losers- -The Chiefs have won twice in the last few seasons so are to be considered WINNERS
I however will never lose a opportunity to wind Paul up , and remind him of such statistics, and also have not lost my sense of humour,or marbles

Now that that is sorted-Back to Stamp matters, has anyone noticed that the post Office in there wisdom, has changed the complete range of satchels availiable including the Registered 200gm international satchel that used to sell for $14.00nz,and have not replaced it with anything else. Our local postshop is saying that they are doing a complete overhaul of the range ,region by region and it was our turn last week-Apparently now 200gms tracked works out to be about $56.00 to most destinations

Muzz8 it is the Crusaders Francise that competes in the Super-15 and not the Canterbury RFC. This includes 5 other Rugby unions from the top of the South Island. I'm not a member of the Crusaders, nor of the Canterbury Union. I am however a very proud member of the Canterbury Philatelic Community. I would like to record here that our club (The NZ Stamp Collectors Club Inc) has just won the National Inter-club One Frame Competition. Waikato were an also ran but no club from the Bay of Plenty even got to the starters gate. I rest my case.

kiwisteven - 2013-08-25 20:21:00

muzz8 wrote:

Now that that is sorted-Back to Stamp matters, has anyone noticed that the post Office in there wisdom, has changed the complete range of satchels availiable including the Registered 200gm international satchel that used to sell for $14.00nz,and have not replaced it with anything else. Our local postshop is saying that they are doing a complete overhaul of the range ,region by region and it was our turn last week-Apparently now 200gms tracked works out to be about $56.00 to most destinations

The registered international $14.50 bag has not been withdrawn. Still can be purchased in packs of (20). We use these claytons registration bags for Ebay sales over US$75 and under US$300. Over that we use Economy Courier International, track and trace, with signature required service, upto 250 grams (this service prices increased on 1 July) to Australia $20.26, Asia $28.79, USA, UK & Europe $37.32.

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muzz8 - 2013-08-26 07:52:00

I come from the Bay of Plenty not Waikato- Do no think you can be considered a loser if you did not compete !!!!!hic- However my issues are with Paul (king of the pigmys) not with anyone else, and I will never LOSE a opportunity to put the boot in, whan ever he pops his head above the parapet

Well why put the boot into everyone from Canterbury then?
Where do you originally come from?
Play fair stop telling porky's

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muzz8 - 2013-08-26 17:27:00

muzz8 wrote:

thanks for info- where wouild you buy the $14.50 (i was only been charged $14 at local postshop)paks from-I only have used 19 in the last 3 months also for Ebay sales ----so do not really need a bundle My quoted $56.00 was for a standard registered letter for 200gms using stamps

Registered International increased to $14.50 on 1st July when the other rate and zone changes for International Courier & Economy Courier International happened. There is no registered letter rate of $56 for 200grams. The only overseas tracked services are Intl Courier & Economy Courier Intl. There weight minimum charges are 500 & 250 grams. I do agree bloody expensive compared to some overseas services.

twg1935 - 2013-08-26 23:57:00

rebel58 wrote:

Send scans to the all NZSDA members as all don't partake in the stamp collecting thread contact details will be on their website.
Looks to be a Cinderella.
Not from any stamp essays that I have seen.

It's from modern sheetlet reproductions of the very rare 1892 Lewis Essay.
Search "Lewis Essay" in Trademe's completed sales, pairs of sheetlets of 10 stamps seem to sell for $6.

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muzz8 - 2013-08-27 17:36:00

muzz8 wrote:

Hi- that is quote i had for 200gms 10mm thick (from local postshop)-----registered,using-
Postage stamps to Argentina at $56- so that is same size as the discontinued satchel-($14.00 retail) which granted was not tracked once it left NZ,but apparently according to my receiver needed to be signed for at other end ---------

Please try to be kind - with the most recent hole in Post's Coffer's, anything less than $100 for doing the job is unlikely to get the Counter inhabitants too excited very soon ;-)

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tmg - 2013-08-27 22:18:00

twg1935 wrote:

Registered International increased to $14.50 on 1st July when the other rate and zone changes for International Courier & Economy Courier International happened. There is no registered letter rate of $56 for 200grams. The only overseas tracked services are Intl Courier & Economy Courier Intl. There weight minimum charges are 500 & 250 grams. I do agree bloody expensive compared to some overseas services.

It is my understanding that the International courier packs can be paid for using postage stamps Gary?
If so that could be handy.
A plus if you have high face value stamps laying around.

rebel58 - 2013-08-28 07:16:00