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Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies and oldbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for oldbies and newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

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chefman1 - 2014-12-15 23:55:00
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dumbasses cleaning coins is beginning to p!ss me off! I should have never bought that flash new magnifier. It shows up everything!

Edited by dtpapa at 12:04 pm, Wed 17 Dec

dtpapa - 2014-12-17 12:04:00
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hey "translateltd",

what bank are you with? I notice you are not offering pay now for some of your items (the more expensive ones). This is the main reason I am yet to bid, as it would mean I'd need to head off to the bank to put the cash in. But now I am tempted. Just want to make sure your bank is nearby, and not one of those more obscure ones. Thanks!

dtpapa - 2014-12-17 12:08:00
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dtpapa wrote:

hey "translateltd",

what bank are you with? I notice you are not offering pay now for some of your items (the more expensive ones). This is the main reason I am yet to bid, as it would mean I'd need to head off to the bank to put the cash in. But now I am tempted. Just want to make sure your bank is nearby, and not one of those more obscure ones. Thanks!

BNZ - Internet banking is perfectly fine, no need to head into town :-) I usually disable the Pay Now option on higher-priced items because of the fees - sorry if that causes a bother.

translateltd - 2014-12-17 12:20:00
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thanks, there's a branch in Devonport, only a short walk to get there!

dtpapa - 2014-12-17 12:57:00
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muzz8 - 2014-12-17 16:14:00
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muzz8 - 2014-12-17 16:41:00
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muzz8 wrote:

http://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/353
064811.jpg
including this one with w shape behind eye- looks like edge of another coin has gouged it, but indents are to big- any ideas

I've seen that sort of thing before and have never been sure what caused it - like you, I've thought it could have been whacked by the milled edge of another coin.

translateltd - 2014-12-17 16:42:00
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translateltd wrote:

I've seen that sort of thing before and have never been sure what caused it - like you, I've thought it could have been whacked by the milled edge of another coin.

That was my thoughts as well it appears on a number of coins

mudeki - 2014-12-17 17:49:00
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muzz8 wrote:

Quiet afternoon in rotorua- so went and got 4 rolls of $1 of coins from bank---found 5 with cuds in random rolls and another 11aUNC for Numista trades---so 16% that i needed
no coins post 2010

There was no $1 coins made in 2011 or 2012 and the 2013 $1 have not been released yet but they may appear in the next week or two when they like to have excess coins in circulation for the holidays. nice finds on the errors :-)

mudeki - 2014-12-17 17:52:00
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muzz8 - 2014-12-17 19:12:00
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I have a collection of US coins I need valued for insurance purposes. All are certified, graded & slabbed. Any recommendations?

fiji2005 - 2014-12-18 20:17:00
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fiji2005 wrote:

I have a collection of US coins I need valued for insurance purposes. All are certified, graded & slabbed. Any recommendations?

Slabbed by whom? I wonder if the insurance company would accept this:
http://www.pcgs.com/prices/

It's about the best that most valuers could do anyway. Failing that, if the total approximate value is in excess of $10,000, maybe try a proper coin auction house like Heritage?

I'd be curious to know what sort of annual percentage the insurer charges for cover and what sort of excess.

echoriath - 2014-12-19 03:37:00
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bargain on ebay!!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Zealand-1942-Shilling-Rare-Broke
n-Back-CH-AU-Luster-Low-Mintage-80-000-/161526540168?pt=US_W
orld_Coins&hash=item259bbb6788

oh, wait ...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1942-New-Zealand-One-Shilling-AU-Bet
ter-date-amp-grade-King-George-coin-010851O-/371203246256?pt
=US_World_Coins&hash=item566d7008b0&nma=true&si=
qIQn9ic7A24A2eBTfcGajuf%252BqTM%253D&orig_cvip=true&
rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

dtpapa - 2014-12-19 12:00:00
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#5266 - thought they were parallel listings at first, with a nicked image. Got it now. If that's AU, though, I'd better go through and regrade all my scratched, stained and damaged stuff ...

Edited by translateltd at 1:20 pm, Fri 19 Dec

translateltd - 2014-12-19 13:18:00
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yup, it's the exact same coin. Buyer paid 28USD, a week later he is asking 465USD, with make an offer. So I suspect he might accept considerably less. Still, it takes some cheek, IMO. But at least he hasn't cleaned it!! (coin will probably not grade because of environmental damage, but 28USD was a good price. So some kudos is merited, grudgingly, I suppose!!)

dtpapa - 2014-12-19 14:05:00
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can anyone who knows something about standing liberty quarters tell me why this coin looks so nice? Is it a trick of light, or does it look like the eagle is in a slight hollow? Same for other side around shield? And what is that effect between eagle's wings?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1919-Standing-Liberty-Quarter-Swirli
ng-Mint-Luster-Free-Shipping-/371192354335?pt=Coins_US_Indiv
idual&hash=item566cc9d61f&nma=true&si=qIQn9ic7A2
4A2eBTfcGajuf%252BqTM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&
_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Edited by dtpapa at 7:02 pm, Fri 19 Dec

dtpapa - 2014-12-19 19:01:00
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#5269 The hollow effect on both sides looks like "ghosting" - the effect caused when a high design element on the other side essentially sucks metal away from the side you're looking at. Very common on English pennies of Edward VII and George V, until they reduced the size of the King's effigy in 1926. There's something funny about the lettering on that example, though, and I'd also be interested to hear what anyone more familiar with SLQs can add.

translateltd - 2014-12-19 22:49:00
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so could it be too good to be true? It is a really lovely looking coin, to my eyes at least. Almost flawless. I'm surprised it didn't go for more. You'd wonder why it was not sent off for grading, as it would be MS66, or better, going by the photos, although I don't think it would make the full head designation, but still a very nice coin.

dtpapa - 2014-12-20 08:59:00
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Hi Guys
I have a 1945 1/2 Crown and I think it is Aluminium. The size, thickness etc is identical to a 1946 one I have but the material is not 50% silver like those ones are. My finger nail will scratch it if you get my drift. As a jeweler I know that if you do a cast copy of something it will end up slightly smaller than the original.

Any ideas from you people who know about these would be appreciated.

I will weigh it and compare weight to a silver one.

tsuba - 2014-12-20 19:06:00
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The 1945 one is 12 grams and the 1946 silver one is 16 grams so different metals.

tsuba - 2014-12-20 19:22:00
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tsuba wrote:

The 1945 one is 12 grams and the 1946 silver one is 16 grams so different metals.


Silver half crowns are 14gm in weight

gammoner - 2014-12-20 20:38:00
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mudeki wrote:

There was no $1 coins made in 2011 or 2012 and the 2013 $1 have not been released yet but they may appear in the next week or two when they like to have excess coins in circulation for the holidays. nice finds on the errors :-)

Got a 2013 $1 in my change today.

echoriath - 2014-12-20 22:49:00
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Re. 2569-71:
The photo feels like it was taken very carefully so as to emphasize the strong points and bring out everything good about the coin. Having said that, it looks like there was a lot of good there anyway.

As for the funny dimple, I think Martin's right: the metal has pulled up into the die and left a hollow at that point. I'll have to haul out some of my better SLQs, of which I have few, and take a good look at them. I don't recall seeing anything like that amongst them.

Buffs play up in a similar way, but usually around the periphery, resulting in a double rim, with a sort of secondary ring just a millimeter or two in from the main rim. That was to do with the metal as well. Nickel was apparently a remarkably tricky metal to get to play the mint production game right.

echoriath - 2014-12-20 22:57:00
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gammoner wrote:


Silver half crowns are 14gm in weight

I was using old scales but can anyone explain the fact that it is not silver but some other metal.

tsuba - 2014-12-21 05:58:00
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tsuba wrote:

I was using old scales but can anyone explain the fact that it is not silver but some other metal.

A photograph would be good. It sounds too heavy for aluminium but could be a forgery in another metal. If it is a "gun-metal grey" colour it could be replica out of China - everything seems to be fair game there, not just rare and expensive items. The lettering and design details would probably not be quite 100% correct either, if you look closely.

translateltd - 2014-12-21 08:10:00
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echoriath wrote:

Re. 2569-71:
The photo feels like it was taken very carefully so as to emphasize the strong points and bring out everything good about the coin. Having said that, it looks like there was a lot of good there anyway.

I wondered if it might have had a touch of the 'silver dip' to make an already good example look even better, at least superficially, though it's very hard to tell from a photo and it could just be a lighting effect.

translateltd - 2014-12-21 08:12:00
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A reproduction with a COA? See 824180130. I've asked the question ...

translateltd - 2014-12-21 08:18:00
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Here are some shots of it.

The photo makes it look darker than it is. It is a nice light aluminun color.

Have looked at lettering / design details using eye glass and it seems spot on.

http://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/353618791.jpg
http://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/353618815.jpg
http://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/353619001.jpg
http://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/353619096.jpg
http://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/353620232.jpg

Edited by tsuba at 8:30 am, Sun 21 Dec

tsuba - 2014-12-21 08:23:00
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tsuba wrote:

Here are some shots of it.

The photo makes it look darker than it is. It is a nice light aluminun color.

Have looked at lettering / design details using eye glass and it seems spot on.

Looks good in the pics too. The soft surface is weird, but it doesn't look like "muck metal" and is too heavy for aluminium (a 5-franc piece from New Caledonia, an aluminium coin of roughly the same size, is only about 4g by comparison). Might pay to try and get a more accurate weighing of both with some digital scales to be absolutely sure.

Silver is naturally soft anyway - so maybe (just maybe) the alloy mix wasn't very even in your 1945 coin, with more silver near the surface and more base metal near the middle, which would make it easier to damage. There are more recent examples of coins with similar problems (cupro-nickel issues with more copper near the surface which gave them a bronzy tone). The weight discrepancy, assuming more accurate scales show it not to be quite as spectacular, could just be down to wear.

translateltd - 2014-12-21 15:10:00
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translateltd wrote:

Looks good in the pics too. The soft surface is weird, but it doesn't look like "muck metal" and is too heavy for aluminium (a 5-franc piece from New Caledonia, an aluminium coin of roughly the same size, is only about 4g by comparison). Might pay to try and get a more accurate weighing of both with some digital scales to be absolutely sure.

Silver is naturally soft anyway - so maybe (just maybe) the alloy mix wasn't very even in your 1945 coin, with more silver near the surface and more base metal near the middle, which would make it easier to damage. There are more recent examples of coins with similar problems (cupro-nickel issues with more copper near the surface which gave them a bronzy tone). The weight discrepancy, assuming more accurate scales show it not to be quite as spectacular, could just be down to wear.

You maybe correct about a bad alloy mix or inconsistant mix as some parts of the coin near the HP on Georges neck, for example, will not give way to my nail scratching it.

I will get it weighed tomorrow.

tsuba - 2014-12-21 16:26:00
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Listing #: 821768811
wonder if this coin will get clean by dtpapa???...lol...merry xmas

chefman1 - 2014-12-21 19:38:00
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chefman1 wrote:

Listing #: 821768811
wonder if this coin will get clean by dtpapa???...lol...merry xmas

Or this one Peter? ,cheap at $8-50 822711279

gammoner - 2014-12-21 19:46:00
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i was waiting to see if any-body else's was going to bid, but yes it was cheap at
$8.50...lol...it look's very dark in colour have to wait and see??.

chefman1 - 2014-12-21 19:53:00
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I might give it a quick whizz in my ultrasonic cleaner, nothing wrong with that!!

dtpapa - 2014-12-21 19:59:00
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ultrasonic cleaner = [thats it]
i could not remember the name of your cleaner...sorry...do you think it will get
those black spots of???

chefman1 - 2014-12-21 20:06:00
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[Listing #: 821834151] RARE medal! 1846 FREE TRADE ACT. CV $100+!!!

i wonder how much david will get for it??

Edited by chefman1 at 8:10 pm, Sun 21 Dec

chefman1 - 2014-12-21 20:08:00
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as much as he paid for it? 813703854

dtpapa - 2014-12-21 20:14:00
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chefman1 wrote:

ultrasonic cleaner = [thats it]
i could not remember the name of your cleaner...sorry...do you think it will get
those black spots of???

it could well do, if not completely, then lighten their appearance. Do you have a problem with that?

dtpapa - 2014-12-21 20:17:00
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Yes, i can not understand why people clean there coins, so yes it is a problem with
me..sorry to say....the last few auctions i have won all the coins have been clean.
ok

chefman1 - 2014-12-21 20:26:00
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By cleaned you mean with obvious signs of surface hairlines? Well, you don't say! Same here! You may, or may have not noticed, that I have complained about coin cleaning in many of my recent posts. That is why we need an NZ coin grading service. There is far too much of it going on.

dtpapa - 2014-12-21 20:32:00
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or give it a soak in acetone, nothing wrong with that either!

dtpapa - 2014-12-21 20:36:00
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i have take note of your posts lately....but its time for me to stop collecting i think
had enough with traders and there bullshit about there coins.
so i ask them for a refund no reply..so i don't do there feedbacks anymore, most
of the coins are clean with jiff or something like that.
Time to sell up in what i have left and never come back there on trademe again
been there to long now.

chefman1 - 2014-12-21 20:47:00
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Some sellers are dishonest, but to be fair, many just don't know any better. Because we don't have a coin grading service here, the concept that a coin might not be gradable does not figure very highly. The problem is that it seems to pay to be dishonest, and talk nonsense about your coins, because there will always be enough buyers who don't know any better!

dtpapa - 2014-12-21 21:01:00
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echoriath wrote:

Got a 2013 $1 in my change today.

Awesome thanks echoriath I guess I will have to order some more coins in at work and hope to get some lol

mudeki - 2014-12-21 22:00:00
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chefman1 wrote:

Yes, i can not understand why people clean there coins, so yes it is a problem with
me..sorry to say....the last few auctions i have won all the coins have been clean.
ok

I once read that over 80% of US collector coins have been cleaned and it seems to be the thought of most people when they see a few spots. I would rather it be cleaned in water than any other solution but still not ideal. When bidding i think it is best to assume it has been cleaned and hope it has not been. Probably one of the reasons I have just been collecting errors and commemorative medals recently but it does not help when the original packing for Waitangi Mint medals come with cleaning instructions lol

mudeki - 2014-12-21 22:08:00
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bump for the hundy

gammoner - 2014-12-21 23:25:00
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Badda-boom-badda-bing!!

echoriath - 2014-12-22 01:18:00
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