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donaldo - 2013-05-04 17:33:00

Hi stamp people ,could you give me an idea of the value of these stamps.
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/266140273.jpg
Thanks

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donaldo - 2013-05-04 22:23:00

donaldo wrote:

my estimate of value if no tears is a maximum of $10 each\
the early imperf 10/- is not recognized as being postally used

Thank you Sir You assistance is appreciated.

lester36 - 2013-05-04 22:55:00

A big thank you to the ones that kindly inform us on this forum about the auctions that are written up in a misleading way, very much appreciated.

tammy211 - 2013-05-04 22:58:00

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muzz8 - 2013-05-04 23:37:00

I spy with my little eye a Rare Collection of Superb Gems in excellent condition - the Rust / discolouring comes as an added bonus with generous faults all included .. ;-)

bound to be of interest to some amuzed onlookers from down in Seagull County on here ;-)

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tmg - 2013-05-05 00:00:00

tmg wrote:

I spy with my little eye a Rare Collection of Superb Gems in excellent condition - the Rust / discolouring comes as an added bonus with generous faults all included .. ;-)

bound to be of interest to some amuzed onlookers from down in Seagull County on here ;-)

If mine, trying to describe accurately. Although I appreciate it doesn't help when I spell rear as "Rare" opps.....I would really appreciate info on the 1/2d green 1900 pic ones. Are they govt cancelled for destruction?

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muzz8 - 2013-05-05 07:56:00

bca wrote:

If mine, trying to describe accurately. Although I appreciate it doesn't help when I spell rear as "Rare" opps.....I would really appreciate info on the 1/2d green 1900 pic ones. Are they govt cancelled for destruction?

Re 589861512 Dickie Stamp slot machine trial stamps ,1905 from memory( I stand to be corrected on the date) They are legitimate I have seen these go for around $25.00 ea.You will never find these used.
Kiwisteven will correct any of the info I have given as he has sold me some in the past.Or some other good Samaritan will, being Sunday.

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rebel58 - 2013-05-05 08:23:00

muzz8 wrote:

No Sir- you are wrong again----not a vulture but a endangered species of small seagull called a Thai Mini Gull

You are right and wrong yet again Muzz the above birds are useful and I apologize profusely to both of the specie .(on our behalf)
I now believe it is more in the bottom feeder category .A Slug perhaps?

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muzz8 - 2013-05-05 09:04:00

muzz8 wrote:

wow- must dig out my slug gun- we cannot have that
the coin cartel will not be happy- gives them a bit more ammunition to throw our way

The Coin Cartel is a secretive band of well meaning Vigilante Coin Collectors and one rouge stamp collector that cruse the coins section exposing misrepresentations ,forgerys, shill bidding ,multiple accounts etc.
Also providing sound advice,and semi intelligent banter.All have been in trouble with Trademe in one way or another for not being PC and not pulling punches.
One of the Qualifications you need to join is a wicked sense of Humor. Coin knowledge is not necessarily needed.
All and all a good bunch of loose units united in the promotion of fair and honest play.
They would laugh at pitiful attempts supporting the dishonest .
I stand to be corrected by members of the Coin Cartel !!!!!!

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muzz8 - 2013-05-05 10:33:00

muzz8 wrote:

though -- they would appreciate defending the under dog over bully tactics from so called experts,and the porkies these guys are prone to tell----although it must be said that those TMG,s (Thai Mini Gulls)do make a good job of picking up all the rubbish and keeping the place clinically clean-it is however there constant squeeling everytime they see some scraps of filthy stuff that somehow annoys me- i would prefer that they make all there racket in trademes backyard only
the cartel will always back the guy getting picked on!!!!!!

Sorry but you are speaking for the cartel and you are in no position to do so unless you are a so called expert on the matter.
And if we are in the PC world your TMG attacks are against Trademe rules.
TMG has attempted to inform traders on their auctions identification on stamps that they openly state that they no nothing about in fact a ? mark appears in the opening title of the auctions.
So Called Experts?
In my opinion at least Two experts in the New Zealand Philatelic community have attempted to rectify these misinformed auctions to no avail.I do not consider that myself is an Expert by the way.

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donaldo - 2013-05-05 11:25:00

Trademe has rules and we are supposed to abide by them and Trademe has a duty of care to provide a safe trading place for us all.If Trademe does not what are we supposed to do?Sit and do nothing?Trademe has been informed about these issues by a member of the NZSDA and advice has been given to the seller by a stamp dealer who has been used by Trademe as an Expert Witness in a Court case over fraudulent sales in the past, that Trademe won.The seller who is obliviously playing in muddy waters has ignored and belittled any advice given .
One Trader that had been unknowingly duped by this person asked for information on who it was?
A direction was given to an Auction.
Traders that have won suspect Auctions have been labeled stupid and greedy by another..And that also contravenes Trademe's rules.......
What are we supposed to do if Trademe has been informed by Reputable persons and nothing has been done.
Do we sit on our hands and say bad form,dear oh dear ,tut tut?
That would be wrong .

Edited by rebel58 at 12:30 pm, Sun 5 May

rebel58 - 2013-05-05 12:21:00

tammy211 wrote:

A big thank you to the ones that kindly inform us on this forum about the auctions that are written up in a misleading way, very much appreciated.

Most persona on here want to help and we do.

Edited by rebel58 at 12:39 pm, Sun 5 May

rebel58 - 2013-05-05 12:36:00

A Postal Fiscal is a fiscal stamp that has been authorized by the Post office to be used for postal use .It has to have a genuine Postal Cancel or a recognized Manuscript cancel on it to be a Postal Fiscal.A Fiscal stamp with dribble written on it and a hunk out of it is not worth $300.00 .It would not even be used by Pygmy's as toilet paper as they would get poo on their fingers .

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rebel58 - 2013-05-05 12:46:00

Church is over no more sermons today, may you all lick your stamps in piece.

rebel58 - 2013-05-05 12:50:00

I have to wonder if the reason TM does nothing about these sort of listings is because they don't know enough about stamps to take a firm position on individual auctions.
I know that they do cancel auctions for other reasons. Once I advertised a Mains to USB socket charger, but they canceled it because it came with a plug converter (overseas plug to NZ plug). Apparently these aren't permitted.
I don't think stamp auction issues involve legal rules that are so clear cut to them.

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donaldo - 2013-05-05 15:18:00

unbelievable.

carzx - 2013-05-05 15:25:00

carzx wrote:

unbelievable.

No Sorry to say believable.

rebel58 - 2013-05-05 16:52:00

Possibly they just don't want to get involved in discussions about what things are worth, as it comes down to opinion.
They aren't experts, and one catalogue might say one thing, and another, something else.
I've seen some auctions go for way above CV.

carzx - 2013-05-05 17:42:00

rebel58 wrote:

Re 589861512 Dickie Stamp slot machine trial stamps ,1905 from memory( I stand to be corrected on the date) They are legitimate I have seen these go for around $25.00 ea.You will never find these used.
Kiwisteven will correct any of the info I have given as he has sold me some in the past.Or some other good Samaritan will, being Sunday.

Again, thanks. I see someone has made a bid and a few watching. I trade a lot, got back into collecting last year. Buying catalouges and some books to study and joined Kapiti club to learn and maybe exhibit at some stage. Genuine helpful tips on here are appreciated, as are useful comments on individual auctions if I get things wrong.

bca - 2013-05-05 19:47:00

bca wrote:

Again, thanks. I see someone has made a bid and a few watching. I trade a lot, got back into collecting last year. Buying catalouges and some books to study and joined Kapiti club to learn and maybe exhibit at some stage. Genuine helpful tips on here are appreciated, as are useful comments on individual auctions if I get things wrong.

These were printed in full sheets (of 240 stamps i think) supposedly for testing purposes but I don't think any actually were used for that purpose. about 20 years ago I and 2 others purchased 3 full sheets in perfect condition and gradually sold these off in blocks. Always sold them for at least $4 per stamp so a block of 4 would have been sold for $16. I think i would only have a few left (under 20 copies) and there will be no other stocks so at the sellers price they are a good and cheap buy. i might go and put a bid on them!

kiwisteven - 2013-05-05 23:25:00

Thanks again.....you might have to bid higher though LOL. No doubt I will get in trouble for "promoting" soon.

bca - 2013-05-06 10:47:00

It is good to see a trader willing to learn and not afraid to ask questions.

rebel58 - 2013-05-06 14:15:00

A little bird has learned that Lilac fiscals with chunks missing sitting above what is a more tidier example mite deserve a lower reserve too -- shame about the Buy Now ;-)

tmg - 2013-05-06 15:21:00

In my Bank statement I get this as a deposit adivce for an amount of which there may be similar amounts:-

Analysis Code: P9570337 - (giving an amount deposited.)

I search the P-code and get this

No results matching 'P9570337'

So what now TradeMe ??????????

philafarinz - 2013-05-09 09:38:00

If the Banks or Buyer make such mistakes, Trademe would pass the buck in this case understandable if the number is communicated incorrectly the system remains flawed.

May I suggest communicating the USER NAME of the member when payment is made and keep whatever number only as an internal TM reference.

Communicating long numbers cause chaos, USER NAMES are more easily absorbed and transferred.

philafarinz - 2013-05-09 09:49:00

philafarinz wrote:

If the Banks or Buyer make such mistakes, Trademe would pass the buck in this case understandable if the number is communicated incorrectly the system remains flawed.

May I suggest communicating the USER NAME of the member when payment is made and keep whatever number only as an internal TM reference.

Communicating long numbers cause chaos, USER NAMES are more easily absorbed and transferred.

I for once agree totally.
Just had the very same happen with me ,very frustrating.The purchaser or the bank put in a wrong number.
In this case if it isn't broken don't fix it.

rebel58 - 2013-05-09 11:49:00

Wow it has been ages since I have set foot in here - good to see it is still going strong

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bdreid10 - 2013-05-09 15:55:00

o.k. have an NZ item and dont know what to do with it, or know much about it from a collectors perspective. Rare, fake, valuable, worthless, exhibition piece only?

I also dont know how to put pics in message boards only.....

It is three miniature sheets. They are of 60th anniversary of a 1928 flight. The say on them produced by a stamp firm in Chch of a proposed airmail/commemerative stamp that was never produced. One sheet as the 3d stamp in four different, colours and is perforated. One sheet has only one version in orange and is perforated. The other is imperf and just shows the orange stamp.

Could this be something someone has made and sent to NZ posts predecessor etc as a proposed design, or just someones folly showing what a proposed stamp might of looked like? how do I tell a legit item, from a folly / fake thing?

I can try and post pics, if someone can explain how to. and yes, awiating stamp club night to get their views on it......but hey stamp clubs another week and a half away.

bca - 2013-05-09 16:05:00

bca wrote:

o.k. have an NZ item and dont know what to do with it, or know much about it from a collectors perspective. Rare, fake, valuable, worthless, exhibition piece only?

I also dont know how to put pics in message boards only.....

It is three miniature sheets. They are of 60th anniversary of a 1928 flight. The say on them produced by a stamp firm in Chch of a proposed airmail/commemerative stamp that was never produced. One sheet as the 3d stamp in four different, colours and is perforated. One sheet has only one version in orange and is perforated. The other is imperf and just shows the orange stamp.

Could this be something someone has made and sent to NZ posts predecessor etc as a proposed design, or just someones folly showing what a proposed stamp might of looked like? how do I tell a legit item, from a folly / fake thing?

I can try and post pics, if someone can explain how to. and yes, awiating stamp club night to get their views on it......but hey stamp clubs another week and a half away.

These are Cinderella sheets issued by Stirling & co . They retail for around 45 per sheet. I have some in stock at present.

kiwisteven - 2013-05-09 17:28:00

Make the price in the previous posting around $5 each@!

kiwisteven - 2013-05-09 17:29:00

Thanks, yes, that is the company

bca - 2013-05-09 19:19:00

With the looming reduction in postal delivery it would be a good idea to use Post Office Box addresses for those who have them.

Less mail handling gets the mail in to you in better condition - no wash-outs in your mail box.

Pity they are so damn expensive for most stamp collectors.

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donaldo - 2013-05-10 21:18:00

philafarinz wrote:

With the looming reduction in postal delivery it would be a good idea to use Post Office Box addresses for those who have them.

Less mail handling gets the mail in to you in better condition - no wash-outs in your mail box.

Pity they are so damn expensive for most stamp collectors.

they'll be becoming rarer too with Post targeting the captives with large increases every year -- only north of + 17% or $25 across each & every box in these parts

a bit like certain values in each & every one of their $18-$21 per set new issues - which many would be lucky to see unless they try the expensive approach of either a FDC or double face through dealer cats ;-)

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tmg - 2013-05-10 21:53:00

philafarinz wrote:

With the looming reduction in postal delivery it would be a good idea to use Post Office Box addresses for those who have them.

Less mail handling gets the mail in to you in better condition - no wash-outs in your mail box.

Pity they are so damn expensive for most stamp collectors.

I always thought that if NZ post had any brains they would encourage people to use PO boxes by making therm nearly free. They cost virtually nothing to run and save NZ post a fortune in delivering mail.

kiwisteven - 2013-05-11 00:38:00

tmg wrote:

they'll be becoming rarer too with Post targeting the captives with large increases every year -- only north of + 17% or $25 across each & every box in these parts

a bit like certain values in each & every one of their $18-$21 per set new issues - which many would be lucky to see unless they try the expensive approach of either a FDC or double face through dealer cats ;-)

>>Pity they are so damn expensive for most stamp collectors.<<,

I actally meant the PO Boxes, as for the price of new issues sets - I could hardly speculate.

philafarinz - 2013-05-11 08:25:00

kiwisteven wrote:

I always thought that if NZ post had any brains they would encourage people to use PO boxes by making therm nearly free. They cost virtually nothing to run and save NZ post a fortune in delivering mail.

Free ! is a Mauritius Green ☺.
However I think there is plenty of room for a positive forward approach.

In cluster suburbs or even rural areas (depending on population density) they could position Container-type postbox units.
We all go shopping, so near a supermarket would be the best place, for example. Mail is sorted there periodically for Boxholders to collect at their leisure.

Elsewhere on the planet the cost is $22 for a PO Box - a once single payment on same site.

The yearly sub for a box here is easy money and should be for the cost of space and maintenance only.

If the rental is dramatically reduced there would be a demand for boxes instead of dead space for others to pay.

philafarinz - 2013-05-11 08:48:00

donaldo wrote:

well an update on our 'major variety seller'--out of all those mystery varieties only 1 appears sold and that was ??
--and all the trouble he caused here amongst a couple of traders !!!
--and that guy with all the reds had at 2pm today 206 reds and 108 blues with 2 completed sales to a local friend in the last 12--and yet trademe allows him to trade !!!!

>>--and that guy with all the reds had at 2pm today 206 reds and 108 blues with 2 completed sales to a local friend in the last 12--and yet trademe allows him to trade !!!!<<

I would even consider this educational to all collectors.

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kenw1 - 2013-05-11 10:15:00

Hi,

Any idea what these may be worth?

A part sheet of british 1/2p unused stamps.

The sheet is 10 x 10 with margins on 3 sides. But there is a block of 3 x 3 out of the left hand lower corner.

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/266923962.jpg

kenw1 - 2013-05-11 10:17:00