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chefman1 wrote:


1967 5 cent no sea auction number [Listing #: 807093327]

Thanks again!

brett21 - 2014-12-01 15:22:00
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chefman1 - 2014-12-01 15:49:00
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interesting stuff on the 5 cent pieces, cheers :)
Now shoot me down if I am being too lazy, but I have a wee pile - any other years I should look out for?

bayloft - 2014-12-01 21:51:00
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but I have a wee pile = how many ..... came on bayloft..you can tell us...lol

chefman1 - 2014-12-01 21:59:00
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translateltd wrote:

And meanwhile, following our own instructions to "ask again" if no response is received within 48 hours ...
Keen to know more about the "two die varieties" of the 1906-07 Dunedin Tramway tokens (G18) if anyone has details/images pse. I have a few of these tokens in hand but haven't spotted any differences yet. Ditto the two varieties of the Runanga quarter loaf tokens (G90), which seem to be coming onto the market in quite large numbers now.

Any luck with information on these yet mate?

mudeki - 2014-12-01 22:16:00
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chefman1 wrote:

but I have a wee pile = how many ..... came on bayloft..you can tell us...lol

I was going to put on the sunnies emoticon, but really not that many and I dont expect to have $ signs ringing in my eyes ;)
Funny tho, quite a while ago now I used a 5 cent piece in a listing to show scale, and got a question as to whether I had many 5 cent pieces - nothing to do with the listing itself lol

bayloft - 2014-12-01 22:31:00
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bayloft wrote:

I was going to put on the sunnies emoticon, but really not that many and I dont expect to have $ signs ringing in my eyes ;)
Funny tho, quite a while ago now I used a 5 cent piece in a listing to show scale, and got a question as to whether I had many 5 cent pieces - nothing to do with the listing itself lol

lol...that was me....don't you remember that???

chefman1 - 2014-12-01 22:45:00
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For a smile - check the item heading and Q&A on this one: 815049129

translateltd - 2014-12-01 23:00:00
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mudeki wrote:

Any luck with information on these yet mate?

No - another 48 hours+ have passed, with no further info :-(

translateltd - 2014-12-01 23:00:00
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oldecurb - 2014-12-01 23:13:00
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chefman1 wrote:

lol...that was me....don't you remember that???

I remember nuffink
I know nuffink

bayloft - 2014-12-01 23:39:00
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http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/348729713.jpg
Hi Martin I have found this Commemorative on a resent trip and when I got home tried to look it up in McMaster but it is not there .
Can you help , or anyone else.

lester36 - 2014-12-02 19:39:00
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lester36 wrote:

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full
/348729713.jpg

Hi Martin I have found this Commemorative on a resent trip and when I got home tried to look it up in McMaster but it is not there .
Can you help , or anyone else.

It is in the 2nd edition released in July this year reference 1988/11

mudeki - 2014-12-02 21:49:00
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lester36 wrote:

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full
/348729713.jpg

Hi Martin I have found this Commemorative on a resent trip and when I got home tried to look it up in McMaster but it is not there .
Can you help , or anyone else.

Thanks for checking - as mudeki says, it's in the 2nd edition so it's been recorded. Always keen to hear of any new discoveries, in any case - there are still some new "old" ones sneaking through :-)

translateltd - 2014-12-02 21:56:00
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Cool thanks. I'll have to get a copy.

lester36 - 2014-12-03 06:44:00
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lester36 wrote:

Cool thanks. I'll have to get a copy.

There are a few sellers offering them on TM - julie2406, acw-nz and RNSNZ.

translateltd - 2014-12-03 07:11:00
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muzz8 - 2014-12-03 09:05:00
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muzz8
i sent you one more link to try...by email

chefman1 - 2014-12-03 09:15:00
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Thanks for the heads-up - I'll get this looked into. Meanwhile anyone wanting to sign up for the RNSNZ may have to just use e-mail for the moment, either via the Society address or by contacting me.

translateltd - 2014-12-03 09:24:00
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Martin...its working fine for me...no problems at all...cheers peter

chefman1 - 2014-12-03 09:29:00
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chefman1 wrote:

Martin...its working fine for me...no problems at all...cheers peter

Could it be a browser thing? If it doesn't work with one, maybe it will with another. Firefox/Explorer/Chrome may have different success rates, you never know.

translateltd - 2014-12-03 09:41:00
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i have both Explorer/Chrome/ both working fine for me on the site.
http://www.rnsnz.org.nz/nci.asp
http://www.rnsnz.org.nz/regonline.asp

Edited by chefman1 at 9:55 am, Wed 3 Dec

chefman1 - 2014-12-03 09:51:00
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didn't think this was going to sell - 808286348

dtpapa - 2014-12-04 15:22:00
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dtpapa wrote:

didn't think this was going to sell - 808286348

I can never really get my head around US grading, but it might just scrape a VF-30 by their curious standards.

translateltd - 2014-12-04 16:45:00
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I wonder what would happen if i tried to spend this the seller claims it is legal tender lol 816935557

According to the mints website they come with a certificate of authenticity that guarantees that your coins are authentic and recognized by ever monetary authority around the world, therefor assuring its collector edition status

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/349449598.jpg

Edited by mudeki at 6:10 am, Fri 5 Dec

mudeki - 2014-12-05 06:02:00
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mudeki wrote:

I wonder what would happen if i tried to spend this the seller claims it is legal tender lol 816935557

According to the mints website they come with a certificate of authenticity that guarantees that your coins are authentic and recognized by ever monetary authority around the world, therefor assuring its collector edition status

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/349449598.jpg[/
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The large UK halfpenny was demonetised on 1 August 1969, so that can be demolished straight away! Side issue, but that means even the halfpennies in the 1970 proof sets weren't "real coins" any more.

translateltd - 2014-12-05 07:42:00
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translateltd wrote:


Side issue, but that means even ...weren't "real coins" any more.


Bad bad quote so sorry, but another side issue.... If NZ's top dealers are attending MICAPE 2014 (1st Macau International Coin etc Expo) at the moment and since Macau was handed back to China in 1999, does that mean the dealers there will be offered higher quality fakes than we currently see on Trademe???

alpha111 - 2014-12-05 15:25:00
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alpha111 wrote:


Bad bad quote so sorry, but another side issue.... If NZ's top dealers are attending MICAPE 2014 (1st Macau International Coin etc Expo) at the moment and since Macau was handed back to China in 1999, does that mean the dealers there will be offered higher quality fakes than we currently see on Trademe???

Trademe have some fakes?

brett21 - 2014-12-05 16:44:00
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Been browsing the coin auctions, some start with the words

"Large"

for example a 20 cent coin minted in 2006.

Hoe much larger is that to a regular 20 cent coin that was minted in 2006?

brett21 - 2014-12-05 17:58:00
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brett21 wrote:

for example a 20 cent coin minted in 2006.

Hoe much larger is that to a regular 20 cent coin that was minted in 2006?

28.575 mm vs. 21.75 mm; 11.31 g vs. 4.00 g.

The large vs. small distinction is fairly evident :-)

Edited by translateltd at 7:25 pm, Fri 5 Dec

translateltd - 2014-12-05 19:24:00
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brett21 wrote:

Trademe have some fakes?

Nah - just 'souvenirs', if the sellers are to be believed!

translateltd - 2014-12-05 19:26:00
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bugger!

I was trying to tone my coins with vaseline and sulfur powder, and it did not go according to plan!

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/349802543.jpg

hate it when that happens ..

dtpapa - 2014-12-06 13:10:00
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translateltd wrote:

I can never really get my head around US grading, but it might just scrape a VF-30 by their curious standards.

This is pure speculation on my part, but it seems that the US experimented with metals in its coins, especially nickel, well before other countries reduced their metallurgic standards. A lot of the redesigns and new metals coincide with the mid 19th century, which is also when US numismatics first became an actual thing. The small cents were at first called "nicks" (short for "nickel") because of their white appearance caused by the 12% nickel content.

Also the US has generally engaged in more frequent and varied design changes. This has given rise to a more arbitrary range of standards for grading, meaning each coin type has to be judged only within the context of that type, and sometimes even subtypes, e.g., the 1916-17 Variety I Standing Liberty Quarters, the 1917-1924 Var. II., and the 1925-1930 Variety II with the recessed date. Since they all wore so differently, the standards become considerably more subjective.

To be fair to the rest of the world, grading should not be subjective, but maybe there was just too much nuance for the US in insisting that all grading there be held to one standard since it required a good knowledge of what a given older coin looked like in top condition. There is a strong argument against making exceptions for poorly struck coins, whether as a result of new design or experimental metallurgy.

echoriath - 2014-12-06 14:49:00
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I note we have a solid three weeks to reach 6000......

echoriath - 2014-12-06 14:49:00
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I have no objection to grading guidelines that tell you the key diagnostics to look for in each design/denomination - it's a great help, and Clarke's guide to grading NZ/Australian coins does just that. It's more the "inflationary" aspect of US grading that is liable to cause confusion - if a US coin graded VF would only qualify as F in the rest of the world, we have a clash of standards and ambiguity when it comes to pricing. I also wonder about "world" catalogues published in the US - if I am pricing a VF "world" coin using a catalogue published in America, whose VF do I use? Do I have to look in the EF column because that's what a US grader would call it? It's all very confusing. I like to think "world" coins in the likes of SCWC are priced by "world" grading since the information is submitted, at least in theory, by contributors in the home countries, but there's no guarantee.

translateltd - 2014-12-06 16:28:00
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And to add to your point, Martin, there's also ambiguity with US-based companies that grade coins from other countries. Surely they would have to hold such items to an international standard?

echoriath - 2014-12-06 19:25:00
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oldecurb - 2014-12-06 22:51:00
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oldecurb wrote:


Rapidly catching up on the stamp forum which is at 6143

Shhhhh, I've been trying not to spit into the wind by pointing that out. Mind you, with all the great new people coming in here in the last few months, and all us old timers playing nice, here's hoping.....

echoriath - 2014-12-06 23:05:00
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Morning all, one more to the total

gammoner - 2014-12-07 00:05:00
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ooh, would love to play, but dont qualify ;)
here's another for the count tho lol

bayloft - 2014-12-07 00:55:00
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echoriath wrote:

Shhhhh, I've been trying not to spit into the wind by pointing that out. Mind you, with all the great new people coming in here in the last few months, and all us old timers playing nice, here's hoping.....

hmmm, well, as a youngster, my recollections of you as an 'old timer' would be from TMD
but hey, my bad, this probably aint the forum for BB fluff ;)

bayloft - 2014-12-07 00:58:00
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We're reasonably cruisy here, and I was pleased to see you pop in. Numismatic newbies and oldbies are all welcome here, as are folks with just a passing question. If you hang about here long enough, you'll find we can be a titchy lot and had a bit of trouble a few years back maintaining the thread. That titchiness probably goes right to the heart of our narrow focus on something like coins, which many people don't take much interest in, but it sometimes results in some headbutting with respect to conflicting opinions. As it happens, others were much more knowledgeable than me on the questions you asked.

FWIW, this is about the only place on TM I spend time these days.

echoriath - 2014-12-07 02:15:00
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echoriath wrote:

And to add to your point, Martin, there's also ambiguity with US-based companies that grade coins from other countries. Surely they would have to hold such items to an international standard?

An interesting thought - I wouldn't place bets on it from examples I've seen. That also applies in reverse: if I'm pricing anything by the Red Book I'll try to follow the grading guidelines in the book, and will say so to make it clear, for good measure. In general, though, unless you are an automaton that can only grade based on a list of criteria, once your 'eye' is trained to call a certain amount of wear "VF" then you'd tend to apply that principle to everything.
And as I understand things, the ANA redefined its own grading standards a few years ago, meaning there are now three sets of "standard" definitions for people to subjectively misinterpret.

Edited by translateltd at 7:28 am, Sun 7 Dec

translateltd - 2014-12-07 07:24:00
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One for buying, one for swapping, and one for selling?

alpha111 - 2014-12-07 13:24:00
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alpha111 wrote:

One for buying, one for swapping, and one for selling?

Like it!

translateltd - 2014-12-07 17:38:00
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Roll up, Roll up, once in a lifetime opportunity folks.
818430277

gammoner - 2014-12-07 17:55:00
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Been on a few sites on the web.

The site http://www.colonialcollectables.com has a 1940 New Zealand one penny for $60 dollars.

There are no errors on the coin.

It says it was the first year of issue, but surly it cant be worth 60 bucks, when sites like ebay have them listed for a few bucks. Am I missing something?

brett21 - 2014-12-08 15:21:00
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The 2014 catalogue published by Philatelic Distributers Ltd lists the "Retail Value" of this penny at $35 EF, $65 AU/UNC, and $95 BU .
Dealers have to make a profit and guarantee the items they sell.
Actually the price has to be increases by 15% to cover GST.

Edited by alpha111 at 3:44 pm, Mon 8 Dec

alpha111 - 2014-12-08 15:39:00
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alpha111 wrote:

The 2014 catalogue published by Philatelic Distributers Ltd lists the "Retail Value" of this penny at $35 EF, $65 AU/UNC, and $95 BU .
Dealers have to make a profit and guarantee the items they sell.
Actually the price has to be increases by 15% to cover GST.

Awesome, cheers, this forum is very helpful!

brett21 - 2014-12-08 16:01:00
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So there is no confusion, the GST has to be added to the Colonial Collectables prices. Not the Catalogue prices.

alpha111 - 2014-12-08 19:43:00
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