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Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies and oldbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for oldbies and newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

No one has all the answers, and you may get five differing answers to the same question, yet each may be right in a manner of speaking, especially if opinions are involved. Opinions often vary. If you receive no answer to your query within 48 hours, please ask again.

translateltd - 2014-11-25 23:29:00
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The sample "ISIS/ISIL" coins I saw on-line had the weight in grams below the denomination - that's a good traditional Middle Eastern unit for them to pick!

translateltd - 2014-11-25 23:31:00
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Hey Martin (Translateltd) here are some pictures of the Railway Token/Coin/Medal the membership number is 406. I thought this is the best place to put the pictures otherwise they are too large to email. What should I list it under on Trade Me? Cheers
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/347103306.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/347103222.jpg

cashintheattic - 2014-11-26 14:59:00
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I use eco store grapefruit dishwash liquid. About 5 mins per coin is usually plenty.

dtpapa - 2014-11-26 15:02:00
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Some bargain NZ coins to be had on ebay!!

http://www.ebay.com/sch/New-Zealand-/48026/m.html?item=16146
9689533&hash=item259857eebd&pt=US_World_Coins&_s
sn=rmworldcoins&_sop=3

dtpapa - 2014-11-26 15:03:00
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Good find! The Exonumia category is probably the most appropriate - would be nice to have a separate category for NZ Commemorative Medals, but then I'm biased :-)

translateltd - 2014-11-26 15:04:00
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This site, I have just looked at it as I found a bag of coins I have had for years, I would love to find out more about then, any suggestions on "how" to start , I hope I can find out from this site. Most coins are N.Z. & Aust.
Love some help please.

mary92 - 2014-11-26 16:30:00
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Hi Mary92...for nz coins buy one off theses >>>
http://www.trademe.co.nz/antiques-collectables/banknotes/new
-zealand/predecimal/auction-811696156.htm

chefman1 - 2014-11-26 17:05:00
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translateltd wrote:

Good find! The Exonumia category is probably the most appropriate - would be nice to have a separate category for NZ Commemorative Medals, but then I'm biased :-)


Or there could be a category for all NON military medals as at present people put these in a variety of locations such as NZ and Maori, Royal Family etc.

alpha111 - 2014-11-26 17:17:00
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translateltd wrote:

If the damage is incuse, it could be a delamination flaw, in which a thin sliver of metal has come off the surface of the 5c by the letters ZAB. As close a shot as you can get of that part of the coin would be great - it's a shame it has to stay in the packaging (it should!), but if you pull the wallet out of the outer sleeve that would make the picture a bit clearer, too.


Hi
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/347164103.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/347163748.jpg
The error is not with the nose.

35 - 2014-11-26 18:20:00
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Could someone tell me about a coin I have 1916 Shilling George V1. Please. I find this site interesting, also what do you clean old coins with including penny (copper) ah

mary92 - 2014-11-26 20:31:00
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mary92 wrote:

Could someone tell me about a coin I have 1916 Shilling George V1. Please. I find this site interesting, also what do you clean old coins with including penny (copper) ah

The basic rule is not to clean coins at all if possible. If they have any value they'd be worth more untouched and a bit grubby than cleaned and shiny. We'd need more detail about the 1916 shilling - is it British (lion on crown) or Australian? Photos would be good to get an idea of condition, too. I put a link up a couple of pages back with a guide to grading coins, which might be helpful - I'll repost it here in a mo. Newcomers to coins often think they're in much better condition than they really are until their 'eye' becomes trained - the guide in RL Clarke's book on "the Coins of British Oceania" is one of the best I've seen for the NZ and Australian series.

translateltd - 2014-11-26 20:41:00
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Here it is:

http://www.translatelimited.com/clarkeoz_nz_grading.pdf

translateltd - 2014-11-26 20:42:00
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Could someone tell me about a coin I have 1916 Shilling George V1. Please. I find this site interesting, also what do you clean old coins with including penny (copper) ah

mary92 - 2014-11-26 20:59:00
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thanks for
that information, the coin is a 1916 shilling, I think it is king George V , and the Aussie coat of arms, I just can't read much, it is worn but I'll get a photo to-morrow,
Thanks for your help

Edited by mary92 at 9:33 pm, Wed 26 Nov

mary92 - 2014-11-26 21:31:00
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lol..what's next >>>
http://www.trademe.co.nz/antiques-collectables/coins/other/a
uction-813275630.htm

chefman1 - 2014-11-26 22:11:00
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dtpapa wrote:

yes I gathered you must have deleted it, but why, if you don't mind me asking?

it was my post he deleted but notice the comments he made about me he has left up there but thats ok because he is judge and jury

turretdriver - 2014-11-27 01:53:00
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I think you will find that only Trade Me has the luxury of deleting other people's posts, leaving a messgae that says "This message was deleted." Others can report a post, and if it violates the policies of the message board, TM will delete it. We can also delete or edit our own posts in the first fifteen minutes after we click "Post Message".

echoriath - 2014-11-27 02:59:00
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translateltd wrote:

- would be nice to have a separate category :-)


Well we do now but not what any of us wanted; it's called "Reproduction Coins".

alpha111 - 2014-11-27 15:05:00
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alpha111 wrote:


Well we do now but not what any of us wanted; it's called "Reproduction Coins".

Maybe not quite ideal but all we can do for the moment is watch and report anything that needs to go under that heading. It isn't going to get them off the market but TM isn't going to take that step - it should at least encourage traders to be honest about their knock-offs - that's the intention, anyway.

translateltd - 2014-11-27 15:15:00
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I agree with Translatltd not the ideal outcome but a step in the right direction to get them all listed in one place. I think it would also stop new collectors getting caught out by thinking it is the real item. It still wont protect sellers from selling counterfeit coins like the LOTR commemorative dollars as they are still regarded as legal tender

mudeki - 2014-11-27 17:49:00
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oldecurb wrote:

And how soon for the"souvenirs"?

Maybe this is a price guide for souvenirs:
http://www.pcgs.com/prices/china.aspx

Oh, wait, no, that's for legit Chinese coins.

echoriath - 2014-11-28 03:13:00
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mudeki wrote:

It still wont protect sellers from selling counterfeit coins like the LOTR commemorative dollars as they are still regarded as legal tender

Not meaning to be cheeky, but how are these counterfeits if they are indeed legal tender? Sorry, I have not come across them, so maybe I am just missing something. Are we talking something produced in the Pitcairns or similar?

echoriath - 2014-11-28 03:18:00
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echoriath wrote:

Not meaning to be cheeky, but how are these counterfeits if they are indeed legal tender? Sorry, I have not come across them, so maybe I am just missing something. Are we talking something produced in the Pitcairns or similar?

The LOTR coins are coin-like-objects (CLO, or NCLT) produced for NZ about ten years ago when LOTR was all the rage. There are Chinese copies of the "one ring" coin around, which TM *will* pull, as the genuine ones are legal tender, if only theoretically.

translateltd - 2014-11-28 06:40:00
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After the series of 48 LOTR commems came out, the Reserve Bank said it wouldn't happen again - a few of us said it was getting too close to the Isle of Man or the Marshall Islands for comfort - but with some changes of authority and personnel at the issuing end the theme is recurring, though thankfully not in the same numbers.

translateltd - 2014-11-28 06:42:00
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echoriath wrote:

Not meaning to be cheeky, but how are these counterfeits if they are indeed legal tender? Sorry, I have not come across them, so maybe I am just missing something. Are we talking something produced in the Pitcairns or similar?

To add to what translateltd said there have been 4 sales of these coins that were completed 2 of them I purchased as it took to long for the auctions to be removed the other 2 went to unsuspecting buyers i would assume. Trademe generally remove them once they are reported and I have a comparison between them on the coinerrors website http://wp.me/P4A88C-1y0

They are rather well done and in July at the RNSNZ conference I approached NZPost and the Reserve bank with these they were very shocked to see the modern commemorative copied and struggled to identify what was the original and what was the fake lol.

Most of the LOTR coins on the big auction site are now the fakes. they cost about $2-$3 NZD when ordering direct from china

mudeki - 2014-11-28 10:13:00
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donaldo - 2014-11-28 14:43:00
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What goss have I missed?

translateltd - 2014-11-28 16:27:00
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coin new

Hi Peter,

Regards,

This email is to let you know that Trade Me has recently changed our policy in relation to how reproduction coins are represented on the site. We now have a new category for reproduction coins.

We have created this category to help avoid confusion around the difference between originals and reproduction coins.

Trade Me allows the sale of reproduction coins when the following two requirements are complied with:

1. the word ‘reproduction’ is used to describe the coin; and
2. the copyright in the coin has expired.

If you are selling reproduction coins please list them in this new category. If you are selling original coins please list them in the existing coins category.

For more information on what the two requirements above mean to you if you want to sell reproduction coins please see our recent Trust & Safety blog post on the topic.

It is important that you comply with our new policy to avoid breaching intellectual property requirements and being in breach of the Fair Trading Act. You can read more about this in our blog post.

Our reproduction coin category is live to site now and over the next few days we will begin a process of migrating listings into the new category.

In terms of commemoration or souvenir coins, if they are original issues, they should be listed in the coins category. If they are reproductions, they should go into the reproduction category. Note that intellectual property rights will apply to packaging and the like of commemorative sets and souvenir packages. Any listings in breach of this more general artistic copyright will be removed.

Thanks for your cooperations – happy trading.

chefman1 - 2014-11-28 16:43:00
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translateltd wrote:

What goss have I missed?

Martin read this>>>>
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/business/63647462/Mowbr
ay-posts-worst-loss-in-its-history

chefman1 - 2014-11-28 16:47:00
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donaldo wrote:

when is a seller a dealer ,a trade me 'in trade' or just a seller selling off his surplus,etc
the LINE is very fine at times and it is becoming a problem when we see one of our biggest operators in financial trouble probably caused by the number of 'wnat to be ' dealers selling on trade me

He just "overreached" himself!

kiwialan - 2014-11-28 16:49:00
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lol killing me the first gallery listing in the repro coins breaks copyright and they have been removed in the past by trademe guess he wanted to try again. Hes blacklisted me tho lol

mudeki - 2014-11-28 17:19:00
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Trademe removed it :-). It will be interesting to see how many repro coins are currently listed when they all get moved

mudeki - 2014-11-28 20:16:00
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donaldo wrote:

when is a seller a dealer ,a trade me 'in trade' or just a seller selling off his surplus,etc
the LINE is very fine at times and it is becoming a problem when we see one of our biggest operators in financial trouble probably caused by the number of 'wnat to be ' dealers selling on trade me

article posted by chefman:

"The Otaki-based listed company said yesterday disappointing trading had resulted in a $709,000 interim operating loss, driven by particularly poor performances at Mowbray Bethunes, a rare book department, and Peter Webb Galleries in Auckland.

Mowbray's stamp and coin business was trading ahead of last year and cash flows were in line with budget.

Recent changes to the Fair Trading Act had impacted on auction sales, it said.

The recent change in the Fair Trading Act with regard to auction houses and the requirement for the disclosure of each and every vendor bid as it is given has definitely impacted sales on auction night and results in more negotiated sales pre or post auction."

echoriath - 2014-11-29 10:57:00
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echoriath wrote:


The recent change in the Fair Trading Act with regard to auction houses and the requirement for the disclosure of each and every vendor bid as it is given has definitely impacted sales on auction night and results in more negotiated sales pre or post auction."

I don't quite get what they mean by "vendor bid" here.

translateltd - 2014-11-29 11:18:00
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I think that the gold layered bullion should be in the reproduction listing as well

oldman3 - 2014-11-29 11:50:00
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translateltd wrote:

I don't quite get what they mean by "vendor bid" here.

Crudely this means that the vendor/seller can bid on his/her own auction provided there is previous notification that the seller can do this at the auction, there is a known reserve and only up to that reserve.
In other words it's all in the open.

alpha111 - 2014-11-29 12:36:00
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GB *1835* "UNA & LION" SILVER -WILLIAM 1111- COPY
Start price: $50.00 No reserve Closes: Sat 6 Dec, 11:54 am Listing #: 814608486
A copy of .....? And is the Lion hiding under Euphrosyne's gown ?

alpha111 - 2014-11-29 14:13:00
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What could I expect to get for a 1940 New Zealand Centennial Half Crown?

Average to Good condition, hasnt been cleaned.

brett21 - 2014-11-29 15:58:00
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brett21 wrote:

What could I expect to get for a 1940 New Zealand Centennial Half Crown?

Average to Good condition, hasnt been cleaned.

anywhere between $15.00-$20.00 for ave/cir condition...hope thats helps you
out...cheers

chefman1 - 2014-11-29 16:41:00
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chefman1 wrote:

anywhere between $15.00-$20.00 for ave/cir condition...hope thats helps you
out...cheers

Cool, thanks for the information, it does help! Thanks.

brett21 - 2014-11-29 17:04:00
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alpha111 wrote:

Crudely this means that the vendor/seller can bid on his/her own auction provided there is previous notification that the seller can do this at the auction, there is a known reserve and only up to that reserve.
In other words it's all in the open.

It did sound rather like shill bidding. I'd damned well expect it to be out in the open, even if it's only to talk it up to reserve.

translateltd - 2014-11-29 18:05:00
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This message was deleted.

oldecurb - 2014-11-29 22:58:00
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NZ ALUMINIUM MEDAL W McBRIDE TIMARU Current bid: $449.50 Reserve met Closes: 13 hours Watching Listing #: 812238315
Way too rich for me. How high will it go?

alpha111 - 2014-11-30 08:32:00
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alpha111 wrote:

NZ ALUMINIUM MEDAL W McBRIDE TIMARU Current bid: $449.50 Reserve met Closes: 13 hours Watching Listing #: 812238315
Way too rich for me. How high will it go?

Looks like Peters auto bid has been taken out so if no new bidder arrives then the $510 will be the closing bid

gammoner - 2014-11-30 08:47:00
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alpha111 wrote:

NZ ALUMINIUM MEDAL W McBRIDE TIMARU Current bid: $449.50 Reserve met Closes: 13 hours Watching Listing #: 812238315
Way too rich for me. How high will it go?

Hold all bets, Peter is awake and bidding on another auction
811305767 This sounds like it was an interesting competition ," Best Root " lol

gammoner - 2014-11-30 09:59:00
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1967 New Zealand five cent piece.

According to the

http://www.rnsnz.org.nz/nci.asp

1967 5 cent, “No sea”: Lines representing the sea missing to the right of the tuatara;

1967 5 cent, “No tail”: Small triangular area of tail under the tuatara’s chin missing;

Im guessing its "not every 1967 five cent piece" with these features missing?

Just asking because I have a couple of these coins and its hard to tell.

Edited by brett21 at 2:43 pm, Mon 1 Dec

brett21 - 2014-12-01 14:43:00
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http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/343418435.jpg
Picture's of type 1 & 2 1967 5 cent no tail
Im guessing its "not every 1967 five cent piece" with these features missing?
= that is correct...cheers

chefman1 - 2014-12-01 14:59:00
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chefman1 wrote:

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full
/343418435.jpg

Picture's of type 1 & 2 1967 5 cent no tail
Im guessing its "not every 1967 five cent piece" with these features missing?
= that is correct...cheers

Thanks for the information, very helpful, appreciate it!

brett21 - 2014-12-01 15:01:00
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brett21 wrote:

Thanks for the information, very helpful, appreciate it!


1967 5 cent no sea auction number [Listing #: 807093327]

chefman1 - 2014-12-01 15:04:00
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