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muzz8 - 2013-04-28 15:01:00

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muzz8 wrote:

he probally has researched to the best of his ability !!!!! where is the standard rule he has broken by overpricing- he will soon learn as no one will buy the stuff,and he will lower prices

he needs help not the hinderance he is currently getting

there is an awareness of existence of catalogues & references -- reponses & earlier listings already suggest this ;-)

Advised of recent current catalogue ID details & values from international sources - some asks have been dropped in response from $1000 to $100/$50 v catalogue & possible market value of $1 or less - try explaining that one away if not deceptive & deliberate overpricing to fair market value anywhere ? ;-)

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tmg - 2013-04-28 16:18:00

As NZSDA & Trade Me would undoubtedly like to see & promote -- an informed marketplace is a happy one - aside from the odd cowboy or two ;-)

tmg - 2013-04-28 16:42:00

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muzz8 - 2013-04-28 17:04:00

Ask yourself -- items pulled from a collection -- not researched -- high probability of cheaper items to be expected in many cases IMO - 'dont know about these' - will list - suggest rare & slam a $500 / $1000 start & hope ??? ;-)

Not really good enough is it - nor does it fully satisfy Trade Me's listing requirements (since most would expect 'Rare' representation to be qualified / explained in some manner, and capable of being verified or supported )

There is an expectation that a seller would know have some reasonable idea or have reseached what he is selling - otherwise how does he know what he is listing ? ;-)

Ignorance really isn't a satisfactory defence when listing a supposedly represented 'rare' item, but havent researched it and later come up bare when it comes to justifying that representation ;-)

if seller really didn't know or couldnt be bothered - leave out the 'Rare' representation - list at a $1 start & let the market determine what the value mite be ;-)

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tmg - 2013-04-28 17:24:00

muzz8 wrote:

and this is not appropiate---------------------
basic really

Also See Listing #: 584125002, Question I've asked the seller "Is this the same Plate Block you purchased off another Stamp Dealer Trademe number 575697705 for $7.55?".

also see listing 584129084.he will probly be ending up where it suggests in the photo.lol.isnt it funny how t/m dont act on information received by reputable stamp dealers

What is this fellows trade name please. who is selling said forgeries.
CaF1

Quotecaf1 (248 ) 8:02 am, Tue 23 Apr #4915
caf1 wrote:

What is this fellows trade name please. who is selling said forgeries.
CaF1

See Listing #: 584125002

Interesting studying his auction activity.
Bought one block for a few dollars, then listed it for a grand, and then denied it was the same one in the questions and answers.
I particularly had a chuckle at one auction that he stated had a CV of about $12, but started it at $70 anyway. What a character.

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muzz8 - 2013-04-28 17:53:00

muzz8 wrote:

still I say that he has not broken any rules- The cartel that is criticising has several times so who is the offender

Oh....I dunno. He apparently sold some photocopy stamp/stamps to someone, advertising them as high CV, but they have a thin or so, so to consider the stamp/stamps as spacefillers. Then when the buyer complained it was a photocopy, he said "I told you it was a spacefiller". Not the same thing. Deliberately dishonest by my definition. If TM don't have any rules about that, then it's high time they got some.

carzx - 2013-04-28 17:56:00

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muzz8 - 2013-04-28 18:16:00

muzz8 wrote:

not quite right- he stated that the genuine carmine stamp was valued high,but also stated that he suspected that they were copies he was selling
of course a copy can be considered a spacefiller, until you get a genuine item
surely that is what spacefiller implies

Quote from the auction -
"nice pieces, all mint except coner of 3d a few thins on back but pefs are way out so can only suggest gap fillers for your collection
high cat value low start price".

How can you have mint fakes? Spacefillers are usually damaged stamps.
Fakes should be labeled as fakes, facsimiles, reproductions or something clear like that.

carzx - 2013-04-28 18:35:00

I might add, for interest, on eBay, they have a rule that you are not allowed to sell fakes unless they have "facsimile" or something printed on the back, and that it is shown in the auction photo.
I think it is only fair to not be deliberately obscure about what is being sold.

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muzz8 - 2013-04-28 18:52:00

muzz8 wrote:

he probally has researched to the best of his ability !!!!! where is the standard rule he has broken by overpricing- he will soon learn as no one will buy the stuff,and he will lower prices

he needs help not the hinderance he is currently getting

I tend to disagree, just going by the few action comments I looked at, and the seller spurning expert opinion. In fact, it is my opinion that he is a scoundrel.

carzx - 2013-04-28 18:54:00

muzz8 wrote:

we are talking about 2 different lots
i was talking about the chch 1d carmine faux that apparently sold for $400.00 each

this was his Discription

view both images front and back scans lightly gumed, clean cut perfs, large star wm??? a very rare high cat value stamp.

im no expert but know how rare this stamp is and that in all likely hood is a example only, still though very beautiful rare piece.

My way of thinking is that he says it is probally a example!!!!!!!!!
i.e copy /faux/duplicate etc
the scan showed a item that was not even close to looking real-looked like the serpentine perfs had been done as per early FASTWAYS issues- the buyer no doubt got what the scan showed $400.00 scrap of paper

A beginner may not know what they should look like, and trust the listing. Look at the other examples as well. Deliberate deception. His feedback and alleged court-case filing should take care of it eventually.

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muzz8 - 2013-04-28 19:08:00

muzz8 wrote:

you still do not get it though- he says that it is probally a copy- surely ringing alarm bells

see post #4961
It says no such thing on that auction. And yes, it rings alarm bells about the seller.

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muzz8 - 2013-04-28 19:30:00

muzz8 wrote:

hi- #4965- states he thinks it is copy (example)---------on the 1d carmine that i talked about- have not found the 3d lot as yet,but believe he listed them as space fillers

http://stamps.about.com/od/glossarypt/g/Space-Filler.htm

It doesn't mean a fake.

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muzz8 - 2013-04-28 19:55:00

muzz8 wrote:

fair enough- i stand corrected

Thank you.

carzx - 2013-04-28 19:55:00

Speaking of fakes, is this stamp likely to be something authentic?
The perfs measure 16.5 all around.

http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww218/finntroy/6dbrown_zp
sc2a92cb1.jpg

carzx - 2013-04-29 11:55:00

o.k. dumb question of the day. How do you measure perf's?
Also, Hinged Mint, much value or only really good for postal value?

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loision - 2013-04-29 12:23:00

bca wrote:

o.k. dumb question of the day. How do you measure perf's?
Also, Hinged Mint, much value or only really good for postal value?

http://www.stampmasteralbum.com/StampInformation/Perforation
s/PerforationMeasure.htm

You can also find perf charts that are able to be printed out on your printer. Just make sure the printer settings don't change the scale. You can check something with known perfs to make sure your printed version came out ok.

Unless it's a more valuable than the average mint decimal, I am inclined to use them as postage. I even use MNH decimals as postage. If you're prepared to wait for the right fish to come along, you might get face value or even plus a little. For me, I would rather sell something more collectable than to clog my listings with slow movers, especially when you get full value by putting the stamp on an envelope, as opposed to the hassle of processing a sale.

carzx - 2013-04-29 12:29:00

carzx wrote:

http://www.stampmasteralbum.com/StampInformatio
n/Perforations/PerforationMeasure.htm

You can also find perf charts that are able to be printed out on your printer. Just make sure the printer settings don't change the scale. You can check something with known perfs to make sure your printed version came out ok.

Unless it's a more valuable than the average mint decimal, I am inclined to use them as postage. I even use MNH decimals as postage. If you're prepared to wait for the right fish to come along, you might get face value or even plus a little. For me, I would rather sell something more collectable than to clog my listings with slow movers, especially when you get full value by putting the stamp on an envelope, as opposed to the hassle of processing a sale.

Thanks on both accounts. Based on interest so far, appears some minor interest in MH whole years, but at lower than face value, but almost no interest in Miniature sheets......well if they dont sell, will hold and use for postage. Might take a few years though LOL, even at less than postage value, money in bank worth money not realised....so will try for a week or two then give up I think.

I have a perf guage, old style, but need to learn how to use it. Will look at that link you gave me tonight.

bca - 2013-04-29 16:32:00

just looked at that link, thats heaps !!!! a very useful response to a question :)

bca - 2013-04-29 16:35:00

Next questions: What are the best catalouges for Alternative post and conderella's - NZ only. I already have the fiscal specilist catalouge, need to learn more on other variations. Happy to buy if epople knwo where or listings on here you would reccomend?

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muzz8 - 2013-04-29 19:19:00

It looks like you mite be the only one Muzz so far supporting the 'throw things up here - if it looks rare or unusual suggest rare for more impact - whack on a 100 or 1000 opening ask or multiple thereof on it - no further research or enquiry needed & just wait and hope' type strategy -- my bet is if everyone gets their friends in here, the club supporting these sort of tactics will still be very vastly outnumbered - probably by an inverse multiple of the real value to asking start on some of our little friend's choice offerings, but then you probably expect that to be the case too ;-)

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muzz8 - 2013-04-29 19:54:00

carzx wrote:

Speaking of fakes, is this stamp likely to be something authentic?
The perfs measure 16.5 all around.

http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww218/finntroy/6dbrown_zp
sc2a92cb1.jpg

Could be serrate 16, BUT !!!! could be a forgery(more than likely ) might be worth while seeing a expert at a stamp fair or send it to the Royal for a certificate.
Or you could sell it on Trademe as a genuinely rare item,cat value $20.000 plus .Then some more colorful descriptions centering,postmark etc etc and some more Verbos and slip in some where in a very vacant sort of way that it has a very small thin and is a very good spacefiller ,start it at $1000.00 and hopefully Muzz will buy it because it is legit.

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muzz8 - 2013-04-29 20:12:00

The key word is spacefiller.My interpretation of spacefiller is a genuine stamp,damaged ,faults etc .A spacefiller in the stamp world is not a forgery.
A forgery is a stamp made is to fool a collector.

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rebel58 - 2013-04-29 20:21:00

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muzz8 - 2013-04-29 20:29:00

muzz8 wrote:

have you got any spare Bain forgeries you can sell me for $1.00 each, or maybe 10 for $8.00 if you like,seeing they are not real stamp items
you are opening a can of worms here, saying forgeries arew worthless

I have never said that forgeries are worthless nor implied that they are.

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muzz8 - 2013-04-29 20:38:00

muzz8 wrote:

You are missing the point though- if we continue to name and shame traders-against trademe guidelines- eventually the trademe staff will cut this thread-just leave the guy alone and trademe will deal with it if they get enough complaints
you say i am on my own- so there must 1000,s of traders out there that could complain and have not as yet- that is where you should be directing your energy-------getting people to vote him off, by complaining to trademe thru correct channels - not as a group of vigilantes trying to enforce your own ideals,on someone who has dug his heals in and getting more stubborn-- who knows maybe he is doing it to wind the so called experts up,and it appears to be working

just leave tmg alone and trademe will deal with it if they get enough complaints.
there must 1000,s of traders out there that could complain about deceptive listings and have not as yet.
You should be complaining to trademe thru correct channels - not as a vigilante trying to enforce your own ideals on someone.

See any similarities there?

carzx - 2013-04-29 21:20:00

rebel58 wrote:

Could be serrate 16, BUT !!!! could be a forgery(more than likely ) might be worth while seeing a expert at a stamp fair or send it to the Royal for a certificate.
Or you could sell it on Trademe as a genuinely rare item,cat value $20.000 plus .Then some more colorful descriptions centering,postmark etc etc and some more Verbos and slip in some where in a very vacant sort of way that it has a very small thin and is a very good spacefiller ,start it at $1000.00 and hopefully Muzz will buy it because it is legit.

He probably won't buy it for that price, as there wouldn't be enough mark-up.

I haven't seen a serrate perf in these stamps, so have nothing to compare with. If the perfs are homemade, I'm thinking what a waste of a stamp.

carzx - 2013-04-29 21:23:00

muzz8 wrote:

now you are sounding like a dealer i know- you said a forgery could not be considered a spacefiller- i beg to differ

A spacefiller is not a forgery by definition, but a forgery can be used as a spacefiller.

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muzz8 - 2013-04-29 21:34:00

muzz8 wrote:

not many- what trademe rules have i broken-told people how to resolve without stirring- that is all - so simple---------vote the guy off if there is enough of you out there likeminded- tm will have no option but intervene- and everyone will be happy- and Paul can fight his own battles- he always has done so in the past and does not need a upstart apprentice now
put your energy into getting this guy removed thru legitimate means instead of big noting on here
maybe you need more than the handful of supporting votes to get action-

I'm not seeking nor need anything of the sort. Merely pointing out the pot... kettle..... black aspect.

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muzz8 - 2013-04-29 21:43:00

muzz8 wrote:

yes finally ----------told you mr rebel

so our friend used a obvious forgery -told people he did not consider it as genuine and discribed it as spacefiller,and some greedy sucker bought it, thinking they had found a bargain----end of story

Advertising a stamp as a spacefiller when it is a forgery, especially when talking about thins or other damage, is lying. Advertising it as a fake that can be used as a spacefiller, is the truthful approach.

carzx - 2013-04-29 21:43:00

Trade Me wrote:

The originally quoted post has been removed.

I'm quite happy to put my energy into talking stamps, as soon as someone who knows something about them comes back. Meanwhile, I'm stuck with chatting with a defense lawyer.

carzx - 2013-04-29 21:46:00

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muzz8 - 2013-04-29 21:49:00

muzz8 wrote:

you just finished saying above that a forgery could be considered a spacefiller- i think you are confusing yourself!!

Not at all. It's like a spanner isn't a hammer, but someone could use it as one.

carzx - 2013-04-29 21:51:00

muzz8 wrote:

touche!!!!! 1 to muzz

Is this a game ?
Do you need more than one person to play with?
Because it looks like you are playing with yourself?

rebel58 - 2013-04-29 21:58:00