When wanting to have a private viewing of a tenanted property and with over 24 hours notice, can the tenants refuse? They want to set a different day and time which doesn't suit the possible buyer. i.e. Viewing requested for Monday anytime, but tenant offered Tuesday afternoon which doesn't work for us.

omaria - 2021-04-03 22:29:00

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hooserat - 2021-04-04 00:48:00

You asked for a viewing on Easter Monday? I’d tell you to four cough as well.

The tenant can’t unreasonably refuse, but can add reasonable conditions.

The tenant is still paying to live there and has a right to quiet enjoyment, so they do hold the cards. The notice period is irrelevant if the time requested conflicts with that quiet enjoyment.

Edited by sparkychap at 7:46 am, Sun 4 Apr

sparkychap - 2021-04-04 07:45:00

omaria wrote:

When wanting to have a private viewing of a tenanted property and with over 24 hours notice, can the tenants refuse? They want to set a different day and time which doesn't suit the possible buyer. i.e. Viewing requested for Monday anytime, but tenant offered Tuesday afternoon which doesn't work for us.

how sad, in Hammy the tenant fired shots at the property manager, you go get em on Monday, lol.

Edited by gabbysnana at 8:25 am, Sun 4 Apr

gabbysnana - 2021-04-04 08:23:00

For clarity, OP, are you the landlord or the potential buyer?

sparkychap - 2021-04-04 08:36:00

Sounds like an open home is the way to go.

committed - 2021-04-04 08:49:00

It's a sellers market, I'd work with the tenant and give them extra time if they want it. Maybe Wednesday or Thursday will suit everyone?
The buyer will make it work or many others will replace them! Let the tenant have their little win, maybe they want extra time to tidy up before strangers come in?

If you are the potential buyer OP, they're probably losing their home, how about give them a little leeway if they need it?

melagray - 2021-04-04 08:58:00

committed wrote:

Sounds like an open home is the way to go.

Assuming the tenant agrees, of course.

sparkychap - 2021-04-04 08:59:00

I've been a tennant in a couple of houses that were for sale. Open homes on Sunday mornings so had to go out every Sunday. It was a pain from a tenneants piont of view and the landlord bleated if the place wasn't like a show home. He didn't like it when I told him I was going to move out. To me I don't think its really fair to be showing people through all the time unless you are going to reduce the rent quite a decennt amount to compensate.

curlcrown - 2021-04-04 10:16:00

To answer the question, yes they can refuse but have to be reasonable, they are offering a different date so that seems reasonable. Remeber they are paying for the right to live there, and it is disadvantages for them to have people through.

curlcrown - 2021-04-04 10:18:00

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kittycatkin - 2021-04-04 15:14:00

melagray wrote:

It's a sellers market, I'd work with the tenant and give them extra time if they want it. Maybe Wednesday or Thursday will suit everyone?
The buyer will make it work or many others will replace them! Let the tenant have their little win, maybe they want extra time to tidy up before strangers come in?

If you are the potential buyer OP, they're probably losing their home, how about give them a little leeway if they need it?

I understand from tenants point of view but flew down especially for a requested Monday viewing.

omaria - 2021-04-04 16:55:00

omaria wrote:

I understand from tenants point of view but flew down especially for a requested Monday viewing.

offer them $100 to go out to lunch.

sparkychap - 2021-04-04 17:38:00

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kittycatkin - 2021-04-04 18:03:00

omaria wrote:

I understand from tenants point of view but flew down especially for a requested Monday viewing.

Was it confirmed with you first that the tenant had agreed to the viewing?

joanie04 - 2021-04-04 19:03:00

They might be away for easter possible monday night if you give them cash or else why dont you change your flight rather than expect the tenant to change there plans. I think your the unreasonable one.

ash4561 - 2021-04-04 21:01:00

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andrew697 - 2021-04-05 06:11:00

the tenant does not have to agree to Open Home viewings at all. They do need to be resonsible but at the same time, whats the worst that could happen? They have already given or been given notice so they can hardly be evicted. There is absolutely no benefit to the tenant at all.

Having said that, my last landlord was insistent on coming over with an hours notice on a sunday with a "photographer"after we had given notice. I was deeply suspicious but finally agreed after four phone calls and some begging.
The photographer turned out to be a prospective tenant !

happen - 2021-04-05 19:24:00

I was interested in buying a house, but the tenant wouldn't let anyone inspect it, not even the land agent.
So I waited for the tenant to go out, then looked under the house and looked in the windows. I bought it! I was told that was the first time an agent had sold a house without looking at it.

trade4us2 - 2021-04-05 19:34:00

trade4us2 wrote:

I was interested in buying a house, but the tenant wouldn't let anyone inspect it, not even the land agent.
So I waited for the tenant to go out, then looked under the house and looked in the windows. I bought it! I was told that was the first time an agent had sold a house without looking at it.

sneaky! Did you give the difficult tenant the boot?

pcle - 2021-04-05 20:44:00

happen wrote:

Having said that, my last landlord was insistent on coming over with an hours notice on a sunday with a "photographer"after we had given notice. I was deeply suspicious but finally agreed after four phone calls and some begging.
The photographer turned out to be a prospective tenant !

Finally, some perspective from the other side. I cannot count the number of times I gave notice only to find replacement tenants were shown through the house while I was not there or without any notice whatsoever. The worst being when the landlords turned up without notice one Wednesday night, mops and buckets in hand, to start "renovating the bathroom". Next minute, doorbell is ringing with a procession of prospective tenants! So much for being an accommodating tenant. And, despite being called out, they tried it again a few days later, leaving us to answer the door to disgruntled people who had come to view the flat which was already re-let.
Or the landlord who put the property on the market and entertained the real estate agent with a cup of coffee, leaving the dishes in the sink. Or the landlord who put the property on the market and gave the estate agent carte blanche to show people through while we were at work, without consultation. Or the new buyer (a real estate agent by trade) who had made an appointment for a builder to view the property at 8am on a Saturday and threw a wobbly when we said no. Ah, the good old days.

Edited by toomanyhats at 9:49 pm, Mon 5 Apr

toomanyhats - 2021-04-05 21:47:00

andrew697 wrote:

Tough - that's on you.

Before you booked a flight down "especially for a requested Monday viewinng" - you should have checked and agreed with tenant on what they were allowing.

Yes, it's called "courtesy".

toomanyhats - 2021-04-05 21:56:00

Here’s a thought, you both signed a contract to give the use of the property for someone to use as a home, now you’ve changed your mind and no doubt the tenant is expected to disappear for open homes, tidy up and hide stuff away each time, open up the place for 300 people and neighbours to have a look, then a builders inspection, probably a builder or painter visit before you went to market. You probably even wanted to take photos and put them in the internet. Now someone wants to view outside the arranged open home. Next you’ll sneak people around while they are at work to have a quick measure up because they’ll never know... They are still expected to pay the rent of course. So who’s really the difficult one in the standard “selling house with tenants situation”?
When I was a landlord I waited a month until the property was empty and all tradie visits viewings etc was no problemo.

steve56467 - 2021-04-05 22:15:00

More renting memories - the Saturday morning when the landlord rang the bell and simultaneously opened the door to lead prospective tenants up the staircase as my partner came out of the shower. No discussion of viewing times had taken place. Same landlord gave a key to the new tenants several days before we moved out, without our knowledge or permission. We found out when coming back for another load of stuff to find their bed in what was still our paid for flat.
In fact, I can only recall one landlord who didn't start opening up the flat for unscheduled viewing the minute we gave notice.
I was a landlord for 14 years and always stuck to the rules and communicated with my tenants. I'd like to see how the OP reacts if the tenants turn up on her doorstep at a "requested" time that suits them.

Edited by toomanyhats at 11:00 pm, Mon 5 Apr

toomanyhats - 2021-04-05 22:57:00

You want to borrow my dog Toomey? He chased a landlord off the property when they decided to let themselves in, then the sh1thead just left the dog to roam around/disappear/be run over.
Funny bit is then they asked to come, but the dog MUST be taken off the property for them to visit.

steve56467 - 2021-04-05 23:24:00

I think the OP's tenants could use Toomey. I'm willing to bet she turned up today at their flat.

toomanyhats - 2021-04-05 23:32:00

toomanyhats wrote:

Finally, some perspective from the other side. ....

Interested in knowing what 'side' you think others have taken?

I don't see one post above yours that says the tenant had to suck it up and agree and definitely none that said the property can viewed without the tenants permission?

desi1969 - 2021-04-06 12:32:00

I see OP has not been back. I still want to know was it confirmed with them, that the Monday viewing was fine with the tenant, before they booked their flight.

joanie04 - 2021-04-06 12:34:00

desi1969 wrote:

Interested in knowing what 'side' you think others have taken?

I don't see one post above yours that says the tenant had to suck it up and agree and definitely none that said the property can viewed without the tenants permission?

Oh shush with your pesky facts.

sparkychap - 2021-04-06 12:40:00

I lived in a block of flats once and the landlord would always run an extension power cord from different flat when doing repairs. But he was caught out as I had a blind woman living there once and when in the shower she heard somebody in the flat so called the police on 111.His excuse apparently was pathetic and shortly after a management firm took over from him

androth2 - 2021-04-06 14:02:00

ash4561 wrote:

They might be away for easter possible monday night if you give them cash or else why dont you change your flight rather than expect the tenant to change there plans. I think your the unreasonable one.

Because we had already informed the agent when we would fly in and out and she kept stuffing us around with times that didn’t work. In the end we bought another property and are happy with it. But oh the stress. It took 10 days to get any action and we believe because she already had 2 offers on the table she wasn’t that fussed about a 3 rd. We did understand it was Easter and tenants may have plans but communicate and not wait 24 hours to send a reply when time is limited.

omaria - 2021-04-06 23:06:00

andrew697 wrote:

Tough - that's on you.

Before you booked a flight down "especially for a requested Monday viewinng" - you should have checked and agreed with tenant on what they were allowing.

No that’s the agents job but she waited 10 days to get it settled. And did not communicate

omaria - 2021-04-06 23:09:00

joanie04 wrote:

I see OP has not been back. I still want to know was it confirmed with them, that the Monday viewing was fine with the tenant, before they booked their flight.

It was requested a week prior but agent lost our email and didn’t know we were arriving, had not made any arrangements, but in the end it all worked in our favour. We managed to snatch up a home the day before it came on the market, perfect, signed sealed delivered its ours.

omaria - 2021-04-06 23:12:00

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andrew697 - 2021-04-07 06:00:00

omaria wrote:

Because we had already informed the agent when we would fly in and out and she kept stuffing us around with times that didn’t work. In the end we bought another property and are happy with it. But oh the stress. It took 10 days to get any action and we believe because she already had 2 offers on the table she wasn’t that fussed about a 3 rd. We did understand it was Easter and tenants may have plans but communicate and not wait 24 hours to send a reply when time is limited.

Time is always limited. In the long run we are all dead.

But maybe the tenant wasn’t terribly communicative. The same issue can happen when a property is for sale. The seller can be hard to get hold of so the buyer has to wait to hear whether their offer has been accepted. It’s not always the agent’s fault.

You say the agent wasn’t fussed about a third offer. Well, that’s your assumption. She might have reasoned that if you couldn’t be bothered to view the property, you were unlikely to want to buy it.

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committed - 2021-04-07 07:08:00

pcle wrote:

sneaky! Did you give the difficult tenant the boot?

Surely a tenant has to move out when a house is bought by somebody who is going to live in it.

trade4us2 - 2021-04-07 20:55:00

trade4us2 wrote:

Surely a tenant has to move out when a house is bought by somebody who is going to live in it.

As long as given the right notice and not on an ongoing FTT...

sparkychap - 2021-04-08 06:39:00

toomanyhats wrote:

Finally, some perspective from the other side. I cannot count the number of times I gave notice only to find replacement tenants were shown through the house while I was not there or without any notice whatsoever. The worst being when the landlords turned up without notice one Wednesday night, mops and buckets in hand, to start "renovating the bathroom". Next minute, doorbell is ringing with a procession of prospective tenants! So much for being an accommodating tenant. And, despite being called out, they tried it again a few days later, leaving us to answer the door to disgruntled people who had come to view the flat which was already re-let.
Or the landlord who put the property on the market and entertained the real estate agent with a cup of coffee, leaving the dishes in the sink. Or the landlord who put the property on the market and gave the estate agent carte blanche to show people through while we were at work, without consultation. Or the new buyer (a real estate agent by trade) who had made an appointment for a builder to view the property at 8am on a Saturday and threw a wobbly when we said no. Ah, the good old days.

when the place we were renting was put up for sale the agent would take people through when they knew we were at work - sometimes after calling to ask for a short notice viewing and me being at work saying no as no time to tidy etc. But i'd come home to obvious signs people had been in the house. I started leaving the key lock box sitting in a specific way so we could tell for sure. She also left all doors unlocked and one open after open homes -_-
But my fav was her taking people through after we'd said no too short notice when she knew we were in with another agent putting our offer in on it lolllll
I wish now i'd put in an official complaint, as the agency did nothing about it.
Some of them take the absolute p**s.
I'm so glad we are not renting anymore.

samceleste - 2021-04-08 13:42:00

desi1969 wrote:

Interested in knowing what 'side' you think others have taken?

I don't see one post above yours that says the tenant had to suck it up and agree and definitely none that said the property can viewed without the tenants permission?

Here's a surprise - I was referring to the general stance on message boards of posters complaining about tenancy law changes from the landlord's perspective. Seldom do we hear of renters' experiences with landlords knowingly breaking basic rules such as notice to inspect.
However, since you asked for posts from this specific thread implying the tenant should "suck it up" (or else) how about #2 (put the rent up) and #20 (evict the "difficult" tenant). There's some "pesky facts".

Edited by toomanyhats at 10:21 pm, Sun 18 Apr

toomanyhats - 2021-04-18 22:10:00