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What is best solar charge option for mobile phone.

blogzy - 2020-10-24 16:27:00
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That would depend on your 'use case' wouldn't it.
In other words - under what circumstances are you envisaging using this ?

When you're hiking or biking for a couple of hours ? (carry charger attached to backpack perhaps - some are made to do this with them).

When you're sitting on the beach fishing all day (maybe the solar panel can sit on your chillybin) ?

When you're out on the farm ?
Etc.

It might also be useful to know the phone battery capacity as that info combined with the output of any solar charger will tell you how long it's going to take to charge.

Edited by nice_lady at 4:39 pm, Sat 24 Oct

nice_lady - 2020-10-24 16:36:00
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Camping, no power available. 2 x one plus 6 phones.
3350mAh each.

Edited by blogzy at 4:44 pm, Sat 24 Oct

blogzy - 2020-10-24 16:41:00
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I think the question is .. are you going to be hiking with it ? If you are hiking you will need a light weight folding one (which is more likely to get damaged). A phone battery is 4.2volts X 3.35Ah = about 14 watt hours. So a 10 watt panel would charge one in 1.4hours at a 100% efficiency. More likely 2 Hours if it is sunny and the panel is facing in the right direction and 5 hours if it is overcast. Hiking ones usually come with 5v outputs for phones while solid panels are 12 volt+ which can be brought down to 5 volts with a buck converter (if they don't have a 5v output)

duncb - 2020-10-24 17:32:00
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No hiking .we are driving to destination that has no power. We intend to be there for a while.

blogzy - 2020-10-24 19:40:00
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So for my application what should I be looking for.

blogzy - 2020-10-25 16:56:00
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You have lots of options depending how diy capable you are. This simplest cheap option is as follows. Jaycar are selling off some solid 5W panels for $10 -$14 ( https://www.jaycar.co.nz/12v-5w-monocrystalline-solar-panel/
p/ZM9053
or https://www.jaycar.co.nz/powertech-monocrystalline-solar-pan
el-5w/p/ZM9091
2 of these would provide 10 watts which would be ideal. Surpustronics (and I am sure lots of other places have a 7v to 24V to 5v USB ( https://www.surplustronics.co.nz/products/8353-5v-usb-output
-converter-dc-7v-24v-to-5v-3a
) for $6.50 . You could connect these by usb cable directly to you phones or better to a powerbank and then charge the phones from the powerbank. Other options are to charge a 12v lead acid battery ( like car battery) using a bigger solar panel and buck converter, and the using an inverter to supply 240 volts.

duncb - 2020-10-25 17:42:00
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Thanks, what powerbank would you suggest ?

blogzy - 2020-10-25 20:49:00
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Darn, Jaycar show no stock on these items, can you suggest another option. Thanks

blogzy - 2020-10-25 20:56:00
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Jaycar do have new stock of panels but they are more expensive. A 10,000 Mah powerbank (minimum i would advise) would give a full charge for both phones and charge another one. PB tech have on special today and Dick Smith / Kogan have them for just over $20. Other alternative is to get a solar panel to charge a 12 volt battery. You could the use the USB output converter to charge the phones or even use an inverter to supply 240 volts. Obviously if you are using an inverter you will need to make sure you have power going into the battery from the panel(s) to supply whatever you are drawing from it.

duncb - 2020-10-26 19:03:00
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Just to confirm, this item is only required when powering phone directly from solar panel. It's not required when using a power bank ?

https://www.surplustronics.co.nz/products/8353-5v-usb-output

-converter-dc-7v-24v-to-5v-3a

blogzy - 2020-10-27 14:42:00
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You will need the 5 volt usb output for powering phones AND charging the power bank

duncb - 2020-10-27 15:38:00
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A tidy solution might be an all in one unit solar charging power bank that has 2 usb outputs of 1A or 2A. Have seen some of 10,000 - 20,000 mAh capacity for $20, or lower mAh models for $15.

nzstocked - 2020-10-27 16:14:00
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nzstocked wrote:

A tidy solution might be an all in one unit solar charging power bank that has 2 usb outputs of 1A or 2A. Have seen some of 10,000 - 20,000 mAh capacity for $20, or lower mAh models for $15.

Can you point me to example of that.

blogzy - 2020-10-27 17:52:00
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duncb wrote:

You will need the 5 volt usb output for powering phones AND charging the power bank

Would Jaycar stock this item ?

blogzy - 2020-10-27 18:07:00
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blogzy wrote:

Would Jaycar stock this item ?

They DO have a website.

nice_lady - 2020-10-27 18:13:00
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nice_lady wrote:

They DO have a website.

Yes I did see a similar item on the Jaycar website around the same $6 mark. I'm just not sure it fulfills the same function. Please excuse my lack of electronic knowledge.

blogzy - 2020-10-27 19:07:00
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nzstocked wrote:

A tidy solution might be an all in one unit solar charging power bank that has 2 usb outputs of 1A or 2A. Have seen some of 10,000 - 20,000 mAh capacity for $20, or lower mAh models for $15.

I would be very very skeptical about buying something like this. There are lots of places that make false claims about the output of the solar panels and the storage of the power banks

duncb - 2020-10-27 19:21:00
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Jaycar would not be my go to place unless they have items on special and I can see anything at a reasonable price. However they do have a simple solution for you (but too expensive for me ) https://www.jaycar.co.nz/10w-solar-mobile-charger-with-usb-o
utput-with-1m-cable/p/MB3595

duncb - 2020-10-27 19:33:00
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Thanks for your help duncb and others.

What do you think about this combination.

https://www.surplustronics.co.nz/products/8353-5v-usb-output
-converter-dc-7v-24v-to-5v-3a

https://www.jaycar.co.nz/12v-10w-solar-panel-with-clips/p/ZM
9051

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/BAPPRM1038/Promate-VOLTAG-1
0BLK-Power-Bank-10000mAh-Ultra-Sli

Would that be a functional package ?

$6.50 + $45 + $35

blogzy - 2020-10-27 21:57:00
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solar phone chargers dont work they are a total scam for people who lack the basic understanding of realty.
For a phone charger to work you need a 1 sqare meter solar panel and good light or sun.
i have whats the garbage called Solarmonkey . it discharges the phone not charges it only a phone with a 500mah battery it could charge in direct sunlight

Edited by intrade at 6:27 pm, Wed 28 Oct

intrade - 2020-10-28 18:26:00
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this would be who i would ask and potentially buy from
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/caravans-motorhomes/parts
-accessories/batteries-inverters/listing/2836997433?bof=iPti
lmrw

intrade - 2020-10-28 18:50:00
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intrade wrote:

this would be who i would ask and potentially buy from
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/caravans-motorhomes/parts
-accessories/batteries-inverters/listing/2836997433?bof=iPti
lmrw

So the 5 volt output converter I mentioned would manage the output to the power bank ok ?

Edited by blogzy at 7:18 pm, Wed 28 Oct

blogzy - 2020-10-28 19:17:00
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So the 5 volt output converter I mentioned would manage the output to the power bank ok ?
likely the problem is them power banks are often also garbage. like the jumpstarter power bank i had. or still have went up in smoke once the middle cell went out of balance as it only charges the 1 outer cells.
watch jehu garcia on the subject if you want to learn. A agm or iron fosphate battery would be better but they cost a lot the good battery plus you need a good controller not onhanglow stuff that cut every corner and is not internal what the sticker and manual claims it is.

intrade - 2020-10-28 19:44:00
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intrade wrote:

So the 5 volt output converter I mentioned would manage the output to the power bank ok ?
likely the problem is them power banks are often also garbage. like the jumpstarter power bank i had. or still have went up in smoke once the middle cell went out of balance as it only charges the 1 outer cells.
watch jehu garcia on the subject if you want to learn. A agm or iron fosphate battery would be better but they cost a lot the good battery plus you need a good controller not onhanglow stuff that cut every corner and is not internal what the sticker and manual claims it is.


Power bank quality varies. Let's just assume for this discussion I have a quality powerbank.
My question is, will the 5 volt output converter I mentioned be ok with this 12v 70w solar panel ?

blogzy - 2020-10-28 19:48:00
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m04CXhoQ2jU
the good stuff of lithiom ion is quite difficult to manage
lead acid you can only discharge to 12 volt if you want it to not die
nothing is as easy as they make it out to be.
this is a 18650 soutcase and what is needed to controll a power bank correctly. usb 1 cell bank would be what to use as they wont go out of balance as its only 1 cell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m04CXhoQ2jU

intrade - 2020-10-28 19:50:00
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here is a video on batterys the best tech is also the hardest and most expensive to not kill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR34QF3xcCc&t=103s

intrade - 2020-10-28 20:02:00
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blogzy wrote:


Power bank quality varies. Let's just assume for this discussion I have a quality powerbank.
My question is, will the 5 volt output converter I mentioned be ok with this 12v 70w solar panel ?[/quote
Appreciate your thoughts intrade but can anyone answer my question.

blogzy - 2020-10-28 20:23:00
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Lets forget what intrade said because a lot of it is a load of rubbish. You do not need a square metre of solar panels to charge a phone unless they complete crap. I have done all the calculations for you using equipment that has the correct specs. If you buy items that lie about the specs then obviously the calculation do not work correctly. Now if you want to charge more than two phones I can do the calculations again for you but having a 70 watt panel is complete overkill. So the question is... are you wanting to charge two phones or do more??

duncb - 2020-10-29 00:18:00
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2 phones only. If I could add 1 X 5v light that would be a bonus but not imperitive.

blogzy - 2020-10-29 07:10:00
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you should be able to charge the issue is maybe only slow.
because for my phone is usb C it uses 9 volt or something if the charger provides it. its also high power wireless charge but i have not found a high output wireless one . Ps wireless charge has a lot of losses in wasted power not what you want when camping.

intrade - 2020-10-29 19:17:00
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is your power bank going to charge with 5 volt?

intrade - 2020-10-29 19:18:00
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Yes

blogzy - 2020-10-29 20:58:00
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the reason you need a large solar cell is if sun is there its all good if no sun then its output drops like a stone in water.
especially if you dont have a propper controller and tracking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqGeoLtIgMw
the problems are the cheap ones have fake lables they dont turn on till 13.5 volt for example so if your solar cell has overcast no sun and only goes to 13.4 volt then it wont ever turn on to charge ,
Tracking is when it tracks voltage and then puts out any amps it can make from the voltage. Its how i understand it. Then there is solar cell tracking to tilt the panel in the sun and rotate it to stay in the sun..
if you dont have any of this you better have a way over the top panel to still get something from all the losses.

Edited by intrade at 7:24 pm, Fri 30 Oct

intrade - 2020-10-30 19:10:00
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something i have not extended research as to why is you cant fit solar cells directly to a battery , them new ones , i dont quite know why but there was some reason You will have to research that otherwise you could run the charger directly making 5 volt.. from the Sun hitting cell to charger to your power bank.

intrade - 2020-10-30 19:28:00
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I only need solar charge over the coming summer so I'll take my chances on the 20w solar panel.
Also I like the idea of using power bank as it allows me to carry phone in the daytime and charge up at night.
I have ordered the components and will report back on the efficiency of the set up once I go off grid.

blogzy - 2020-10-30 20:18:00
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intrade wrote:

something i have not extended research as to why is you cant fit solar cells directly to a battery , them new ones , i dont quite know why but there was some reason You will have to research that otherwise you could run the charger directly making 5 volt.. from the Sun hitting cell to charger to your power bank.


I have a power bank here with a solar panel as part of the case.

Cost is probably the biggest factor why you don't often see power banks with solar chargers fitted

mrfxit - 2020-11-01 10:33:00
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A real 20 watts panel should be great. This connected via a type of converter to 5 volts to a decent power bank should provide all the power you need during summer for your phones plus more. Pleased to see that you that you have not gone for a larger rv panel as that is really designed for charging 12V batteries.

duncb - 2020-11-01 19:10:00
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One more thing, any recommendations on a small 5v light I could run of my power bank also.

blogzy - 2020-11-01 20:38:00
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mrfxit wrote:


I have a power bank here with a solar panel as part of the case.

Cost is probably the biggest factor why you don't often see power banks with solar chargers fitted


no its not i have one in europe. i could not take it due to the laws preventing taking lithium batterys on a plain who bring down the likes of malasia airline when the plane goes up in flames .
Anyhow i have solar chargers a power bank with a solar cell.
its absolute usless it would only charge in full and absolute bright sunlight. and take 5 to 10 days .... Thats the real reason why no one does it as its a scam.

intrade - 2020-11-03 09:17:00
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duncb wrote:

A real 20 watts panel should be great. This connected via a type of converter to 5 volts to a decent power bank should provide all the power you need during summer for your phones plus more. Pleased to see that you that you have not gone for a larger rv panel as that is really designed for charging 12V batteries.

My new Jaycar 12v 20w solar panel instructions state "a charge controller is recommended to prevent overcharging" would this be an issue with my power bank and 12v to 5v surplustronics converter setup ?
Surplustronics specifications state "With Overcurrent Protection"

Edited by blogzy at 6:24 pm, Tue 3 Nov

blogzy - 2020-11-03 18:17:00
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The first 2 days I had rain and cloudy. No enough charge for 2 phones. Been fine for the last 4 days and have had more then enough charge from the 20w panel for 2 phones. ????

blogzy - 2020-11-14 17:00:00
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