i have a Hp lap top. The fan goes all the time. It has even burned out one fan and been replaced. Therefore it has been cleaned inside so no dust. I am not in a particularly warm environment, and often just have a game going in the back ground and maybe watching some from netflicks etc. It really isn't heavy up or download use for example. Yet the fan never powers down, except for in sleep mode and when it is off.

Any ideas?
thanks
Mrs rob

robert-trademe - 2020-09-04 12:41:00

game running in the background will probably do it... the CPU and/or GPU get hot when under load and the fan is used to cool it.
Simple test would be to close everything down, game and netflix, all browsers etc then leave it sitting for half hour or so. If the fan quietens down, then it is just working as expected.
up and download doesn't do much heatwise but rendering games and playing videos can...

king1 - 2020-09-04 13:14:00

taskmanager > performance tab watch for disk / CPU usage consistently over 50% if so its far from idle.
Also if you have a lot of RAM being used, quite possibly its using the pagefile a lot.

bitsnpieces2020 - 2020-09-04 14:10:00

robert-trademe wrote:

i have a Hp lap top. The fan goes all the time.

To cool the machine down.

lythande1 - 2020-09-04 14:11:00

ok thanks all

robert-trademe - 2020-09-04 15:07:00

robert-trademe wrote:

i have a Hp lap top. The fan goes all the time. It has even burned out one fan and been replaced. Therefore it has been cleaned inside so no dust. I am not in a particularly warm environment, and often just have a game going in the back ground and maybe watching some from netflicks etc. It really isn't heavy up or download use for example. Yet the fan never powers down, except for in sleep mode and when it is off.

Any ideas?
thanks
Mrs rob

The up or download will have little effect on the fan at all. Completely negligible. Sleep mode is not 'off' as such. The device is still on but yeah the fan will be off as the device is sleeping.

check taskmanager, (alt/ctrl/del will find it for you), and take a look at the processes tab. It will almost certainly show high cup usage. Sort the list by clicking on the headings "name/cpu/memory" That way you can find out whats running the cpu hard and consequently the fan. Then you'll probably find its that game you have running.

nice_lady - 2020-09-04 15:10:00

BIOS setting, there is an option to have the fan run continuous, which is the default setting, turn that off.

kingfisher21 - 2020-09-04 15:19:00

kingfisher21 wrote:

BIOS setting, there is an option to have the fan run continuous, which is the default setting, turn that off.

It's worth a look but - I don't recall any computer I've seen in recent years having the fan set to a 'run continuous' default. It's MUCH more likely that something is running the cpu hard.

nice_lady - 2020-09-04 15:29:00

There should be a pre-installed utility "HP Support Assistant", the icon is a blue circle with a white question mark, or find it under Programs under "HP". Run it and perform 'check for updates'. Tick to select all components that come up. If it's not installed or you can't find it, you can reinstall it from HP. Just do a Google search on "HP support assistant". It's a solid stable utility that just does what it's meant to.

If it's already installed and running, the icon will be in the system tray down near the clock. If it has an orange 'bang' showing, recommended updates have been detected. A red bang means a critical update is pending

Edited by cookee_nz at 8:11 am, Sat 5 Sep

cookee_nz - 2020-09-05 08:06:00

I have an HP Prodesk machine here (Don't know what model it is and can't see the back to find out, but it's fairly potent) which fan has been buzzing almost continually for 4-5 weeks. Techni took it away for a while and it never buzzed at his place.
I did what cookee wrote and the infernal noise has gone.
Thanks very much.

bowla3 - 2020-09-05 12:34:00

nice_lady wrote:

It's worth a look but - I don't recall any computer I've seen in recent years having the fan set to a 'run continuous' default. It's MUCH more likely that something is running the cpu hard.

I've got 3 HP laptops and every one has the run continuous mode set as default, doesn't run at full speed but runs all the time none the less and you can hear it, stupid idea I know, someone at HP must of had a brain fart when deciding that one.

kingfisher21 - 2020-09-05 13:57:00

If you are running windows that is what you get
Try linux mint live & you should see you hard drive light flash about once every about 3 seconds watching a video
Your laptop will be as cool as

timberman - 2020-11-06 20:27:00

timberman wrote:

If you are running windows that is what you get

Ignorant fanboy rubbish

nice_lady - 2020-11-06 20:44:00

kingfisher21 wrote:

I've got 3 HP laptops and every one has the run continuous mode set as default

Hubby's one doesn't.

nice_lady - 2020-11-06 20:44:00

My wife bought a new laptop a couple of years ago. It came with Windows 10.

I installed Ubuntu Studio (Linux) alongside Windows 10. It can boot into either OS.

The fan runs a lot on Windows 10, but not so on Linux. Windows 10 has a lot of mysterious processes in the background which will use very high CPU. Even if the computer is sitting there for hours unused, you will hear the CPU fan start going full power all the time.

This behaviour is not exhibited in Linux and the fan only speeds up occasionally, if ever.

It would appear that high fan speeds are a normal function of Windows 10.

tygertung - 2020-11-07 07:23:00

Because it's hot. Get a laptop cooler pad.

lythande1 - 2020-11-07 08:08:00

tygertung wrote:

It would appear that high fan speeds are a normal function of Windows 10.

And all generalisations are inaccurate

nice_lady - 2020-11-07 08:28:00

tygertung wrote:

My wife bought a new laptop a couple of years ago. It came with Windows 10.

I installed Ubuntu Studio (Linux) alongside Windows 10. It can boot into either OS.

The fan runs a lot on Windows 10, but not so on Linux. Windows 10 has a lot of mysterious processes in the background which will use very high CPU. Even if the computer is sitting there for hours unused, you will hear the CPU fan start going full power all the time.

This behaviour is not exhibited in Linux and the fan only speeds up occasionally, if ever.

It would appear that high fan speeds are a normal function of Windows 10.

More ignorant fanboy rubbish...

Drawing a far reaching conclusion about Windows 10, based on your own experience with one device is quite simply wrong. Try learning some basic statistics and you might appreciate just how patently ridiculous your conclusion is.

At best it suggests one particular model of laptop, from one particular manufacturer, may have a design flaw in the cooling system, or there is a fault or malware etc;

king1 - 2020-11-07 08:34:00

No, the system monitor tells me that processes are using close to 100% CPU all the time.

Also stop with the name calling please, it is the lowest form of argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_D
isagreement.svg

Or were you referring to the issue of the cooling fans?

tygertung - 2020-11-07 08:49:00

tygertung wrote:

No, the system monitor tells me that processes are using close to 100% CPU all the time.

Also stop with the name calling please, it is the lowest form of argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_D
isagreement.svg

Or were you referring to the issue of the cooling fans?

well anyone with half a clue will confirm windows does not run with 100% cpu usage by default. maybe you need a decent tech to find out what's wrong...

not sure where you got the name calling from, but if you don't like being called up on your patently inaccurate statements then you should probably stop spreading misinformation - the tide is a turning against fake news and misinformation...

Edited by king1 at 9:42 am, Sat 7 Nov

king1 - 2020-11-07 09:41:00

tygertung wrote:

No, the system monitor tells me that processes are using close to 100% CPU all the time.

I've seen laptops do that, but they can be fixed by sorting out the Windows updates, the manufacturers drivers, the rubbish that the user has clicked to install, unused services, etc. With nothing running 5% cpu would be a good target.

gyrogearloose - 2020-11-07 09:42:00

king1 wrote:

More ignorant fanboy rubbish...

Name calling.

tygertung - 2020-11-07 12:03:00

gyrogearloose wrote:

I've seen laptops do that, but they can be fixed by sorting out the Windows updates, the manufacturers drivers, the rubbish that the user has clicked to install, unused services, etc. With nothing running 5% cpu would be a good target.

Nothing has been installed other than MS office and Adobe Acrobat, but surely one shouldn't have to "fix" a factory install, with the Windows updates and unused services going bad.

tygertung - 2020-11-07 12:06:00

So take a look at task manager and SEE what's running the CPU so hard. It's simple enough.

nice_lady - 2020-11-07 12:46:00

tygertung wrote:

Name calling.

nope, that's simply a fair and accurate description of the words that come out of your keyboard...

Edited by king1 at 1:06 pm, Sat 7 Nov

king1 - 2020-11-07 13:01:00

tygertung wrote:

Nothing has been installed other than MS office and Adobe Acrobat, but surely one shouldn't have to "fix" a factory install, with the Windows updates and unused services going bad.

That's your prerogative not to fix your problem, but I'm telling you it's not normal and suggesting you stop trying to claim it's some inherent flaw of Microsoft software.

gyrogearloose - 2020-11-07 13:19:00

Grabs more popcorn....nothing as amusing as a geek p!ss!ng competition.

nicc4 - 2020-11-07 16:30:00

I have a Toshiba laptop that the fan raced all the time out of the box. Toshiba released a bios update that fixed the problem. 9 years ago and still going strong on Windows 10.

peanuts37 - 2020-11-07 23:13:00

robert-trademe wrote:

i have a Hp lap top. The fan goes all the time. It has even burned out one fan and been replaced. Therefore it has been cleaned inside so no dust. I am not in a particularly warm environment, and often just have a game going in the back ground and maybe watching some from netflicks etc. It really isn't heavy up or download use for example. Yet the fan never powers down, except for in sleep mode and when it is off.

Any ideas?
thanks
Mrs rob

Are you using it on a soft surface like your lap or a cushion on your lap? or is it on a hard one? like a table, beds and cushions are the death of "lap"tops. Look at where it draws air in, that needs to remain unobscured.

ronaldo8 - 2020-11-08 00:23:00

tygertung wrote:

No, the system monitor tells me that processes are using close to 100% CPU all the time.

Also stop with the name calling please, it is the lowest form of argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_D
isagreement.svg

Or were you referring to the issue of the cooling fans?

If that is the case you have a borked installation or a wedged process. It should spike to 100% but only under load and then subside. Unless you are rendering 3d etc 24/7 it should not remain pegged at 100%. If that is indeed the case you have a software problem, task manager will tell you what's hogging your cpu, start there.

ronaldo8 - 2020-11-08 00:28:00

another possibility would be if it was a $400 special, with the slowest cpu on the planet

Edited by king1 at 10:45 am, Sun 8 Nov

king1 - 2020-11-08 10:43:00

Or to throw a spanner in the works, maybe maybe a victim of malware / using cpu cycles to mine crypto - becoming more commonplace these days - just visit a webpage and click... NZ IS a soft target.

More info needed to diagnose a high CPU load.
Have you antivirus / anti malware installed / run ?

Can you screen print / list / type the processes running ?
Has the laptop recently updated Windows OS?

Start the laptop in Safe Mode - see if the laptop still runs 100% load....

Cheers

hogleg - 2020-11-08 13:48:00

When I was taught science at school, I was told that you should just change one variable when carrying out an experiment.

My wife bought a brand new laptop.

Changed one variable:
Duel booted Linux.

Result:
Much faster performance when using Linux.

tygertung - 2020-11-09 06:40:00

tygertung wrote:

When I was taught science at school, I was told that you should just change one variable when carrying out an experiment.

My wife bought a brand new laptop.

Changed one variable:
Duel booted Linux.

Result:
Much faster performance when using Linux.

but that is not changing just one variable - that is changing a significant percentage of the experiment itself and becomes a meaningless comparison...

You could chuck puppy linux on it and it will be lightening fast, but not particularly functional, but equally amongst all the linux flavours I would hazard a guess that there are some that will also bring it to its knees...

What are the specs of this laptop anyway, it's kind of relevant if your making these sorts of comparisons.

Edited by king1 at 9:39 am, Mon 9 Nov

king1 - 2020-11-09 09:35:00

tygertung wrote:

Changed one variable: Duel booted Linux.

Well there's your clue - the dueling banjo's conundrum.

gyrogearloose - 2020-11-09 21:27:00

tygertung wrote:

When I was taught science at school, I was told that you should just change one variable when carrying out an experiment.

I recall my science teacher giving a lesson on lissajous curves, where we used 2 signal generators and an osilloscope, and the ratio of the two variables displayed a different pattern (the point here is that there were 2 variables).

After doing the experiment and looking at the equipment, I showed him how to recable the equipment to use the signal generator in the osilloscope, which meant the students wouldn't need to pair up because of the limited numbers of signal generators. He was speechless, he was the senior science teacher and had been doing this lesson for years and years.

gyrogearloose - 2020-11-09 21:38:00

gyrogearloose wrote:

I recall my science teacher giving a lesson on lissajous curves, where we used 2 signal generators and an osilloscope, and the ratio of the two variables displayed a different pattern (the point here is that there were 2 variables).

After doing the experiment and looking at the equipment, I showed him how to recable the equipment to use the signal generator in the osilloscope, which meant the students wouldn't need to pair up because of the limited numbers of signal generators. He was speechless, he was the senior science teacher and had been doing this lesson for years and years.

???? ROFL.

nice_lady - 2020-11-10 05:46:00

Linux users are the vegans of the OS world...

cptdarling - 2020-11-10 07:47:00

cptdarling wrote:

Linux users are the vegans of the OS world...

Windows fan here. ...
True enough but while not being inclined towards Linux myself, Linux can do wonders when paired correctly with the same generation windows hardware.
Windows o/s's do have a lot of things "turned on just in case you need it", where Linux only has a minimal amount turned on & the rest is "on call" as needed.

I have seen the results of running both systems where the windows system is struggling even on a fresh install but Linux runs fine
I have never seen a system converted to Linux, run the same speed or slower on an ex windows system as long as the generation of o/s's are reasonably correct.

Having said that, I detest command line work, (even tho I got good with the C64 & Amstrad)

Edited by regeneration at 8:24 am, Tue 10 Nov

regeneration - 2020-11-10 08:23:00

There is more of a tendency towards command line work in Linux distributions, but there is often ways around it.

Windows is better for some things and Linux is better for others. Some software will not run on Linux.

tygertung - 2020-11-10 09:39:00

tygertung wrote:

There is more of a tendency towards command line work in Linux distributions, but there is often ways around it.

Windows is better for some things and Linux is better for others. Some software will not run on Linux.

On a side note, had a guy drop off his dead Mac & he told me about his flash new $4k Mac.
He had to purchase another older Mac because the Audio/ band software he's used for many years, won't run on the new $4k Mac

mrfxit - 2020-11-10 11:52:00

Jeez.

And how come this thread got hijacked by the Linux fanboys ?

What has all that got to do with the OP's issues.
In general if a person can't work out why their comp is running the fan all the time there's NO way they're going to be able to handle a whole new OS.

Edited by nice_lady at 12:05 pm, Tue 10 Nov

nice_lady - 2020-11-10 12:05:00

A nicer os might not use so much fan.

tygertung - 2020-11-10 12:20:00

robert-trademe wrote:

i have a Hp lap top. The fan goes all the time. It has even burned out one fan and been replaced. Therefore it has been cleaned inside so no dust. I am not in a particularly warm environment, and often just have a game going in the back ground and maybe watching some from netflicks etc. It really isn't heavy up or download use for example. Yet the fan never powers down, except for in sleep mode and when it is off.

Any ideas?
thanks
Mrs rob

Pretty obvious it's either of a few things.
Overworked for the spec's
Faulty fan software control system
Faulty fan hardware controller
Fan vents suffocating where you are using it
Sticky fingers resetting the fan controller to high

regeneration - 2020-11-10 13:48:00

regeneration wrote:

Pretty obvious it's either of a few things.
Overworked for the spec's
Faulty fan software control system
Faulty fan hardware controller
Fan vents suffocating where you are using it
Sticky fingers resetting the fan controller to high

Or some background crap overloading the system.

nice_lady - 2020-11-10 14:18:00