Hello, is there anyone with a FMP sub that would mind looking up the details of the emigration for Arthur Edward Butler (b.1888 Threapwood) please?
Pretty sure his record is the one I see in 1912.
Also his brother James Henry Butler who looks likely to have come out a year later.
Thank you in advance

deanocam - 2020-01-03 17:34:00

I have FMP . Where did he travel from and where to?

Edited by hymac at 12:49 pm, Sat 4 Jan

hymac - 2020-01-04 12:46:00

Thanks for your help hymac, from the UK to Wellington, NZ, 1912, his brother the same but a year later?

deanocam - 2020-01-04 20:27:00

On the list there is 2 A Butler passengers(Male). One says occupation a clerk the one below says occupation Farming(Details other than that exactly the same) Both travelled third class. The A Butler a clerk his ticket No was 2276. The one below was ticket No A 868 Both aged 24 years, and English

There were two other Butler (female ) on ticket N A895 Miss A Butler(24) and Miss M Butler (18) English Both Domestics. Both 3rd class.

Have viewed the image. aged 24 years).Occupation farming. Ticket NO
Travelled 3rd class

First name(s) A
Last name Butler
Title MR
Gender Male
Age 24
Birth year 1888
Occupation FARMING
Departure year 1912
Departure day 18
Departure month 12
Departure port London
Destination port Wellington
Destination WELLINGTON
Country New Zealand
Destination country New Zealand
Ship name Remuera
Ship official number 124590
Ship master's first name H E
Ship master's last name GREENSTREET
Shipping line THE NEW ZEALAND SHIPPING COMPANY LIMITED
Ship destination port NEW ZEALAND
Ship destination country NEW ZEALAND
Ship square feet 11520
Ship registered tonnage 7154
Number of passengers 549
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960

Edited by hymac at 2:58 pm, Sun 5 Jan

hymac - 2020-01-05 14:56:00

Had a look on the image. This Jas. (short for James) Butler was born in (1891) WALES Ticket No 91 Travelled 3rd class too.
First name(s) Jas
Last name Butler
Gender Male
Age 22
Birth year 1891
Occupation FARMER
Departure year 1913
Departure day 13
Departure month 11
Departure port London
Destination port Wellington
Destination WELLINGTON
Country New Zealand
Destination country New Zealand
Ship name Mamari
Ship official number 119697
Ship master's first name R
Ship master's last name KELLY
Shipping line SHAW SAVILL & ALBION CO. LTD
Ship destination port NEW ZEALAND
Ship destination country NEW ZEALAND
Ship square feet 12106
Ship registered tonnage 5223
Number of passengers 532
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger Lists
Collections from Great Britain, England, Australasia

Edited by hymac at 3:16 pm, Sun 5 Jan

hymac - 2020-01-05 15:09:00

Awesome thank you so much! This sounds like who I'm looking for...
Cheers

deanocam - 2020-01-05 21:51:00

Happy to help. Do you need any other search made?

Cheers

Bill

hymac - 2020-01-06 10:36:00

If you wouldn't mind thanks Bill!
Military records (was a Chelsea Pensioner)
William SORTON, b.c. 1786 Bangor, Flintshire, Wales
Possibly of the 2nd Foot Soldiers? Possible reg. no. 591175
Died 1 April 1857 Ellesmere district (counties of Shropshire and/or Flintshire Wales).
Many thanks for you offer of lookup help!

deanocam - 2020-01-06 14:47:00

Hi Dean
All I can find on this man. Looked up Chelsea Pensioners names. Found my g/grandfather still there. I checked the National Archives No Wiliam.

Can you tell me where you got the above info from.

Napoleonic War Records 1775 - 1817

First name(s) William
Last name Sorton
Rank Private
Regiment 1/2Nd Foot
Enlistment year 1800
Enlistment day 13
Enlistment month Jan
WO25 reference 912
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

Is that the death ref for him June qr 1857 Ellesmere,Shropshire Vol 6A page 451?

Edited by hymac at 10:41 am, Tue 7 Jan

hymac - 2020-01-07 10:28:00

Yes that is the correct death for William. In the last Census before his death (1851) his occupation is a Chelsea Pensioner. I found a record similar to the one you found on Ancestry. The number was one on his will, could be pertaining to something else...

deanocam - 2020-01-07 13:17:00

Hi Dean

I had found the will too but didn't know if that was him or not. I think that the 59-1175 might be a registration number as it has Regd with an S. Could be wrong.
My G grandather was born 1816 and his Army number was three numbers. He was a Chelsea Pensioner too.

Trying to find the 1851 census you mentioned . Cant find any with Chelsea pensioner on. Where did you find it. Love to see it

Cheers

Bill

hymac - 2020-01-07 17:00:00

You could be right about the number, it had me scratching my head also.
On Ancestry the Sorton family can be found in Halghton, the name is mis-transcribed (Torton):
Name
William Torton
Age 77
Estimated Birth Year abt 1774
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Elizth Torton
Gender Male
Where born Bangor, Flintshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township Halghton
Ecclesiastical parish St Asaph
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps
7676
County/Island Flintshire
Country Wales
Registration district Ellesmere
Sub-registration district Overton
ED, institution, or vessel 4
Piece
1994
Folio 141
Page number 27
Household schedule number 98
Household Members 8140487
Household Members
Name William Torton
Age77
Name Elizth Torton
Age57
Name John Torton
Age24
Name Ann Steen
Age15

deanocam - 2020-01-07 21:34:00

This is what we have already seen. Went to The National Archives. Click on Discovery. On the left DATE: 1800 - 1899

Home Discovery Your search resultsC/1857/9

Catalogue description William Sorton, Farmer
This record is held by National Library of Wales: Department of Collection Services

Reference: C/1857/9
Title: William Sorton, Farmer
Description:

Will. Will made in 1840.

Diocese: Chester

Parish: Hanmer

Township: Halghton

County: Flintshire
Date: 1857
Held by: National Library of Wales: Department of Collection Services, not available at The National Archives
Language: English

Also typed in chelsea pensioner sorton No record
Typed in chelsea pensioner 85,332
Don't know why can't find anything on FMP or Nat. Archives re Chelsea Pensioners for William.

Somebody else may be able to help.

Cheers

Bill

hymac - 2020-01-08 13:46:00

Thanks for all your help Bill!

deanocam - 2020-01-08 15:06:00

Your'e welcome. Don't fancy checking the 85,332 names?

Why don't you start another message about Chelsea Pensioners. Crazy I can find my rellie but not yours.

Cheers

Bill

hymac - 2020-01-08 15:27:00