Wellington School 1893-1905
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| 1 | A family living in Cambridge Terrace and Thorndon Quay in Wellington 1893-1905, what would the likely primary schools be in the area? The mother was a catholic, the father presbyterian so its possible the children may have gone to a catholic school. Eldest child was John Alexander Sutherland born 3 Aug 1889. Looking for two siblings a male born about 1891 and a female about 1893, names unknown. Father Alexander Sutherland and mother Amelia/Emily/Minnie. TIA landylass - 2019-09-02 12:44:00 |
| 2 | try looking in the Magazines and Journals section of Papers Past as they have Catholic stuff crab2 - 2019-09-02 15:57:00 |
| 3 | School Records (APWs) Name Admission Date crab2 - 2019-09-02 15:59:00 |
| 4 | School Records (APWs) - Parent/Guardian Name Admission Date crab2 - 2019-09-02 16:04:00 |
| 5 | crab2 thank you so much. Another lady and I have spent a small fortune trying to find birth printouts for these two children. All we have to go on are their ages on their fathers death certificate. It would appear their births may not have been registered. landylass - 2019-09-02 19:11:00 |
| 6 | If one parent was a Catholic and the other wasn’t, it would be a ‘mixed marriage’. If the couple married in a Catholic church (or were married by a Catholic priest), the non-Catholic would almost certainly have had to sign something to the effect that they would “not interfere” with the Catholic practising their faith and that all children of the marriage would be raised as Catholics. So it's likely the two children you're after would have gone to a Catholic school if there was one in the district. There have been Catholic schools in Thorndon (Hill Street/Guilford Terrace) since 1850. https://www.sacred-heart.school.nz/our-school/history/ If you're interested, there is an excellent book called “On Golder’s Hill” about the history of the Catholic Church in Thorndon and this includes more information about the Catholic schools. But from memory, this book does not include school rolls. The following link has info on early Catholic schools in the Te Aro Parish, Wellington. I’m not 100% certain, but I think anyone living in Cambridge Terrace would have been in the Te Aro Parish during the time period you are interested in. http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Cyc01Cycl-t1-bo The Catholic Church has its own archives. Instead of one central archive for the whole country, they have separate ones for each Diocese. I've used the Wellington Catholic Archive a number of times and their archivist is most helpful. Unfortunately, their website says their archives are currently unavailable as they are being relocated (presumably after the earthquakes which damaged a lot of Wellington buildings). Maybe if you contact them, the archivist will assist as much as she can without being able to access the documents. https://www.wn.catholic.org.nz/archdiocesan-offices/history/ Also, it's possible the children were baptised in the Catholic Church even if they weren't registered. I'm not 100% certain, but its likely the school might have required proof of the child being baptised before accepting the enrolment. Again the Catholic Archivist would normally be able to send you copies of the baptism records - but of course she may not be able to access these records at present. If the two SUTHERLAND children attended ordinary (non-Catholic) schools they might have gone to either Mt Cook School (then in Buckle Street) or Clyde Quay School when the family lived in Cambridge Terrace or Thorndon School, when they lived in Thorndon Quay. One last thought ... If the births were not registered, perhaps the parents didn't marry. Have you looked for births under the mother's maiden name? Good luck with your research angela407 - 2019-09-02 19:46:00 |
| 7 | Are these the parents?: Electorate Wellington stock - 2019-09-02 20:57:00 |
| 8 | Is this the marriage: The birth you already have Edited by stock at 9:26 pm, Mon 2 Sep stock - 2019-09-02 21:24:00 |
| 9 | this appears to be the other son 1891/4807 Edited by crab2 at 9:40 pm, Mon 2 Sep crab2 - 2019-09-02 21:37:00 |
| 10 | This son died in 1898 and is buried at Karori (as Sutherland D S S) But can't find death at BDM. stock - 2019-09-02 21:44:00 |
| 11 | 1898/0529, SEIR, David Sutherland Sinclair, 1Y crab2 - 2019-09-02 21:51:00 |
| 12 | no wonder there is trouble finding the births and deaths, they make it hard by using Seir or Sutherland or Sutherland-Seir lol pays to use just part of the surname these days crab2 - 2019-09-02 21:55:00 |
| 13 | Another Sutherland-Seir birth stock - 2019-09-02 21:59:00 |
| 14 | crab2 wrote: stock - 2019-09-02 22:19:00 |
| 15 | stock wrote: stock - 2019-09-02 22:34:00 |
| 16 | Yes, Alexander Sutherland married in Kumara by the catholic priest, and his eldest child was born in Westport. He chased gold then went into business with McRoderick building bridges and also doing harbour work at Westport. He next popped up in Wellington as a publican but it took another lady and I a while to make sure he was the right one. More wasted printouts until we found the correct death. Wow thank you all. landylass - 2019-09-02 22:40:00 |
| 17 | I thought the Seir was just a transcription error on the first bdm I found. I dont understand it being in the newspaper. He name was Sutherland. landylass - 2019-09-02 22:49:00 |
| 18 | 1917 marriage intention on page 2: stock - 2019-09-02 23:02:00 |
| 19 | Thanks stock. I think I have found the mothers burial in Karori - of course she isnt buried with the husband because he wasnt buried in the catholic section! Off to archway to see if sons war records are there. Thanks everyone. Just this mystery of Seir to solve! landylass - 2019-09-03 12:25:00 |
| 20 | In case you don't have it, an obituary for Alexander Sutherland (born Scotland) stock - 2019-09-03 16:32:00 |
| 21 | Kumara Times Bride has a sister Kate and lives with her uncle & aunt Moving to Westport stock - 2019-09-03 16:57:00 |
| 22 | Thanks stock. That last one moving to Westport I dont have. Lol they are just Sutherlands in it! No Seir. landylass - 2019-09-03 19:22:00 |
| 23 | There are a good number of family trees on Ancestry for this family. The Kumara marriage registration image is on one of them. At first glance the name looks like Sutherland Sen, but all 3 entries have Seir. The 3 items are the groom's name, the groom's father's name and the groom's signature. Your Oamaru library has the free Ancestry Library Edition where you should be able to look up these trees. stock - 2019-09-03 22:40:00 |
| 24 | Stock thats probably my tree you are looking at on ancestry. We were so excited to find his marriage that I never noticed those on the printout. I have a DNA match with his descendant so know this is the right one. Interesting his older sister (my 2x gt granny) and another brother came to NZ but dont have the extra. Yes, I did take it as Sen. Being a shipwright he probably worked his passage to Aus, where I suspect he was on the Victorian Goldfields. Thanks for your all your help. landylass - 2019-09-04 14:48:00 |
| 25 | John O'Groat Journal Thursday, Sept. 21, 1871 Why Seir in brackets and single quotes I don't know. The word seems to have some meaning but it eludes me. Edited by stock at 5:18 pm, Wed 4 Sep stock - 2019-09-04 17:07:00 |
| 26 | This is the same article on FindmyPast https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1136728591.jpg crab2 - 2019-09-04 20:56:00 |
| 27 | sounds like there is more than what is known judging by the article crab2 - 2019-09-04 21:02:00 |
| 28 | what was Alexander's parents names in Scotland crab2 - 2019-09-04 21:13:00 |
| 29 | Thanks crab. That would be child number 11 of the 12, Kenneth Sutherland who died Sept 1871. The parents of these children were Alexander Sutherland 1816-1900 and Janet McIvor 1819-1880. https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1136778328.jpg Alexanders death cert landylass - 2019-09-04 22:41:00 |
| 30 | Catholic school in Thorndon is Guildford Terrace just off Hill St.. behind Parliament, next to St Mary's College.. my daughter had a few years there after the St Bernards in Brooklyn. neich - 2019-09-15 19:13:00 |
| 31 | what year did St Marks Basin Reserve start up, great school there and took RC children as well as C of E.. neich - 2019-09-26 22:08:00 |
| 32 | Do you have this? h28skipper - 2019-09-30 19:45:00 |
| 33 | h28skipper wrote:
www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz stock - 2019-09-30 20:16:00 |
