Catherine Ward's parents?
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| 1 | It would be great if a super-sleuth of Irish genealogy could find out where my 3x great grandmother was born exactly, birth date & parents' names? The following is what I know. Catherine Ward was born about 1842 in Galway, Ireland. She then immigrated to NZ in 1864. The following jpg is her immigration (hopefully it works) Ward,Catherine Immigration.jpg She then married my 3x great grandfather, Frederick Kingsford Cooper, on 11 Nov 1869 in Akaroa, Canterbury, NZ. She died 10 April 1907 in Christchurch Hospital. I have her marriage & death printouts from NZ BDM, but her parents' names are just dashes. Perhaps she was estranged from her parents or grew up in an orphanage? Any help would be very much appreciated. dracu1a - 2019-07-01 16:44:00 |
| 2 | The member deleted this message. dracu1a - 2019-07-01 16:58:00 |
| 3 | This jpg should work. https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1080078387.jpg dracu1a - 2019-07-01 17:00:00 |
| 4 | Did Catharine have any children from 1879 (parents birthplaces recorded)? stock - 2019-07-01 17:09:00 |
| 5 | Catherine & her husband Frederick only had one child to the best of my knowledge, my 2x great grandfather, Frederick Kingsford Jeken Cooper, born in Christchurch on 7 August 1870. His birth printout just says that his mum was born in Ireland. dracu1a - 2019-07-01 17:55:00 |
| 6 | Is the marriage certificate a printout or cert? I have found they can differ - if it is a cert and typist could not reading the printout they could have just put a dash! catsmeat1 - 2019-07-01 21:07:00 |
| 7 | Maybe? Name: Catherine Ward daisy86 - 2019-07-01 21:27:00 |
| 8 | Another question, was she Catholic? Edited by catsmeat1 at 9:33 pm, Mon 1 Jul catsmeat1 - 2019-07-01 21:30:00 |
| 9 | Does the death printout state the number of issues? carbs51 - 2019-07-01 21:34:00 |
| 10 | I have her marriage printout. Yes, she was catholic. Her death printout states her only issue as Male 37 (my 2x great grandfather). Thanks, everyone. That could be her, daisy86, I'll look on ancestry. I look forward to your next post, catsmeat1, Edited by dracu1a at 10:05 pm, Mon 1 Jul dracu1a - 2019-07-01 21:59:00 |
| 11 | This is how I would research it, If you assume the 1842 birth year is reasonably accurate - free findmypast search Catherine Ward b1842 +/- 2 years Galway A search in Ancestry gives the same eight baptisms (A). The first are most likely the same parents, so down to seven. Family trees on Ancestry - there is a tree for number 7- she married a John Carew, so now down to six. Only one of the Ancestry trees is a possible for you as an extra to the baps and that is Catherine Ward b 1840 Ballinasloe, parents John Ward/Catherine Walsh. The rest have a spouse (not Cooper) or lived in England. When I looked quickly at it last night, I was hoping it would have better result that that, so still at seven possibles. Another avenue to check, the passenger list for the boat she came on, are there any single males with the Ward surname from Galway (possible brother).? catsmeat1 - 2019-07-02 11:51:00 |
| 12 | dracu1a wrote:
Have you checked on the name Jeken, sounds unusual and I wonder if someone has misread it? Is this handwritten on the printout? Could be Jenkin? Jekin. Could be a clue unless you know it comes from the Cooper side of the family. shanreagh - 2019-07-02 13:34:00 |
| 13 | The odd name of Jeken is his dad's mum's maiden name, but thanks though. Thanks, catsmeat1, on ancestry I have distant cousins with the surname Curley in Galway, so Catherine's parents are probably Pat Ward & Honor Curley, but I'll keep digging. dracu1a - 2019-07-02 14:00:00 |
| 14 | shanreagh wrote: 96 hits at PapersPast for Jeken. Mostly forenames. Edited by stock at 2:03 pm, Tue 2 Jul stock - 2019-07-02 14:01:00 |
| 15 | Thanks, stock, I'll add that to my ancestry records. Is it worth the money joining RootsIreland? dracu1a - 2019-07-02 15:20:00 |
| 16 | Seven google hits for "Frederick Kingsford Jeken Cooper". Noted photographer of Ashburton. stock - 2019-07-02 16:55:00 |
| 17 | dracu1a wrote:
Try this one first: stock - 2019-07-02 16:56:00 |
| 18 | Jeken (sic) seems to be from the Kingsford family. Edited by stock at 5:00 pm, Tue 2 Jul stock - 2019-07-02 17:00:00 |
| 19 | A variation to Catherine / Kate's surname: Warde And the younger Frederick married with Joseph in his names. stock - 2019-07-02 17:34:00 |
| 20 | Jeken may be Geachan/Geachen. Oops hadn't seen the later posts. Also noting that Honor can also be We're Irish after all! Edited by shanreagh at 5:48 pm, Tue 2 Jul shanreagh - 2019-07-02 17:39:00 |
| 21 | Lightning in a bottle, stock! dracu1a - 2019-07-02 17:42:00 |
| 22 | Also noting that Honor can also be We're Irish after all! shanreagh - 2019-07-02 18:02:00 |
| 23 | dracu1a wrote:
So have the distant cousins got their ancestry up? can we find them and you never know at the end of search we might find an Honor Curley being a sister? shanreagh - 2019-07-02 18:04:00 |
| 24 | I am looking at the 1821 Irish census and there are several Pat Wards who may fit aged 5 & 5. One I will look these further as they seem to live close to each other. Ine lives with grandparents called Carah, Curragh? shanreagh - 2019-07-02 18:19:00 |
| 25 | stock wrote:
Well, it's Ward in her Immigration, Marriage & Death printouts, so I'd say Warde is a mistake. dracu1a - 2019-07-02 18:20:00 |
| 26 | Thanks, shanreagh, are you a member of RootsIreland? dracu1a - 2019-07-02 18:25:00 |
| 27 | dracu1a wrote:
No I am looking at these sites at the moment I have found for Pat/Patk ard and Honor/Honoria Curley Ward the following baptisms: Brigida Ward 7/2/1835 Pat Ward and Honoria Curley John Ward 12/5/1838 ?John? Ward and Honoria Curley Catherine Ward 11/9/1840 Pat and Honor Catherine 2/12/1842 to Pat & Honor (no Curley) Mary Ward 1/3 (did not note year!! but noted between 1842 & 1848 ) to Pat and Honor ward Sabina Ward 11/9/1848 to Pt & Honor Charles Ward 12/12/1852 Pat Ward but no mother given Edited by shanreagh at 9:18 pm, Tue 2 Jul shanreagh - 2019-07-02 21:16:00 |
| 28 | An Honoria Ward died in Ballinasloe, near Aughrim aged 74 on 16/3/1885. her death was reported by her daughter Mary Ward. The cause of death was dyspepsia, age and exhaustion. She was a widow. Also an Honora Ward died in aged 85 on 8/1/1899 in Kiltormir? Ballinasloe She was the widow of a labourer and died of old age. Edited by shanreagh at 9:36 pm, Tue 2 Jul shanreagh - 2019-07-02 21:26:00 |
| 29 | dracu1a wrote: catsmeat1 - 2019-07-02 21:51:00 |
| 30 | Clusters is on my to-do list, catsmeat1, & my DNA's on ancestry & myheritage. Thanks shanreagh, I feel dreadful asking you this, but could you please do the same but for Warde instead of Ward. I guess it's possible that she changed her maiden name from Warde to Ward because she was estranged from her parents since they're not mentioned in her NZ marriage & death printouts & she immigrated to NZ alone. dracu1a - 2019-07-02 22:29:00 |
| 31 | Will do...I have seen 'Warde' on the way through...will have a look tomorrow shanreagh - 2019-07-02 23:13:00 |
| 32 | I am about tho start again.....idid notice yesterday that some of the Warde families were protestant, or members of the the irish Church which is the Irish equivalent of the Anglican church. Do you know what religion Catherine Ward was and do you know if she signed or made a mark on her marriage certificate? PS I see she is Roman Catholic... Edited by shanreagh at 6:42 pm, Wed 3 Jul shanreagh - 2019-07-03 18:41:00 |
| 33 | I did find this-a birth across the border in Co Roscommon Ward/Curly Do you have any details for the distant Curley cousin from Ancestry? I am wondering if it might to a good idea to check them as well. shanreagh - 2019-07-03 19:08:00 |
| 34 | I have just checked the original of the shipping list and it seems that four young women came togther as a group, their passages seemed to have been entered/paid together. All from Galway. Catherine was shown as being 25 years. shanreagh - 2019-07-03 19:44:00 |
| 35 | On an unverified family tree on Family Search it says that Patrick Ward died in 1867 (in Ireland?) . Honora's parents are given as Catherine Burns and Brian Curley I have grave doubts about the Ward entries in this tree, Sabina Ward's birth year is different to the baptism records by 4 years. Might be worth a poke around shanreagh - 2019-07-03 21:39:00 |
| 36 | There is a death in Ballinasloe of a Patrick Ward in 1866 aged 60. Ballinasloe is the next door parish to Aughrim parish where a baptism of Catherine Ward was registered. Catherine came to NZ in 1867 so perhaps the family scattered after the death of the father and/or mother went to US with some of the younger children? The records for the deaths have not been out up on this site yet. You still have to order them from Co Roscommon. PATRICK WARD Edited by shanreagh at 9:53 pm, Wed 3 Jul shanreagh - 2019-07-03 21:51:00 |
| 37 | I think that there may be connections between Catherine Ward and some of the other young women that she travelled to NZ with.... In Griffith's Valuation, a land census carried out in Co Galway in 1856, Honoria Curley and a Catherine Hardiman were the lessees of quite a bit of land in a place called Garraunnameetagh. I have not had time tonight to do the Warde searching. Edited by shanreagh at 10:14 pm, Wed 3 Jul shanreagh - 2019-07-03 22:14:00 |
| 38 | Thanks, shanreagh, I feel like I need to pay you. Roman Catholic is on her marriage & death printout. I will digest & research all your information. Catherine is in a bunch of family trees on ancestry & myheritage but her parents are always blank. At the bottom of her marriage printout, the name Bridget Maloney in under 'In the presence of us' so that might be a connection to Ellen Maloney who Catherine Ward immigrated with? In the marriage search at NZ's BDM there's a Bridget Maloney who married Walter Candy in 1877. Thanks again, & if you get time if you could have a quick snoop around regarding Warde that would be great. dracu1a - 2019-07-04 01:52:00 |
| 39 | I will be back to do this...haven't forgotten. shanreagh - 2019-07-06 18:12:00 |
| 40 | Just have a quick look thanks, shanreagh, as I'd say a big flick on the end of 'd' could be misinterpreted as an 'e'. dracu1a - 2019-07-06 19:22:00 |
